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Re: Should Morrison resign
Reply #45 - Feb 19^th, 2014 at 5:33pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 5:07pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 3:39pm:

John S wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 10:55am:

viewpoint wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 10:22am:

Great job Scott, keep on doing what you're doing.........

Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 10:41am:

The lefts plan to turn Australia into a retirement village for middle eastern bludgers is in tatters thanks to Morrison, no wonder the smacking losers hate him Grin

To the both of you put yourself in asylum seeker shoes look at things through their eyes for a change.

If you were living in Afghanistan, Iran or Iraq and you know you or your family could get blown up at any time just for walking down the street, or your wife or daughters could get raped and you can’t report it as they would be blamed for the rape. Your daughters can’t go to school and get a education and your wife and daughters are treated as second class citizen. We take voting for our politicians in Australia as a right but in Afghanistan, Iran or Iraq you could get shoot for going to vote.

If any of that was happening to you wouldn’t you want to leave and find a safe country to bring your family to and bring them up in? Somewhere where everyone is treated equal somewhere where anyone breaking the law is punished by raping someone not the victim by reporting the rape.

Now what would do would you stop where you were or would you flee to a safer country?

However, fleeing to a safer country doesn't mean paying criminals to transport you 'under the radar', nor does it mean destroying ALL documentation before arriving so your identity and/or criminal record (or lack there of) can't be ascertained.

It'd be cheaper to arrive by plane, with all identity documents in hand and THEN lodge an asylum claim, just like thousands of legit refugees do every year.

if you had the money, why wouldn't you pay someone to take you somewhere where you're able to have a better quality of life? I

Why pay $5000 or $10,000 for a boat ride, indefinite detention and no chance of settling in Australia, when you can pay around $400 per person on a plane and have almost guaranteed settlement?

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Re: Should Morrison resign
Reply #47 - Feb 19^th, 2014 at 6:28pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 5:03pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 3:32pm:

Kat wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 3:29pm:

Should he resign? Yes, but he won't.

Should he be sacked, charged and jailed? Undoubtedly.

Should you be the subject of experimental brain surgery in order to find out how someone so profoundly stupid can type ... absolutely

why? have they finished with you already????

What are you his carer? Grin

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Re: Should Morrison resign
Reply #48 - Feb 19^th, 2014 at 6:34pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 5:33pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 5:07pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 3:39pm:

John S wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 10:55am:

viewpoint wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 10:22am:

Great job Scott, keep on doing what you're doing.........

Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 10:41am:

The lefts plan to turn Australia into a retirement village for middle eastern bludgers is in tatters thanks to Morrison, no wonder the smacking losers hate him Grin

To the both of you put yourself in asylum seeker shoes look at things through their eyes for a change.

If you were living in Afghanistan, Iran or Iraq and you know you or your family could get blown up at any time just for walking down the street, or your wife or daughters could get raped and you can’t report it as they would be blamed for the rape. Your daughters can’t go to school and get a education and your wife and daughters are treated as second class citizen. We take voting for our politicians in Australia as a right but in Afghanistan, Iran or Iraq you could get shoot for going to vote.

If any of that was happening to you wouldn’t you want to leave and find a safe country to bring your family to and bring them up in? Somewhere where everyone is treated equal somewhere where anyone breaking the law is punished by raping someone not the victim by reporting the rape.

Now what would do would you stop where you were or would you flee to a safer country?

However, fleeing to a safer country doesn't mean paying criminals to transport you 'under the radar', nor does it mean destroying ALL documentation before arriving so your identity and/or criminal record (or lack there of) can't be ascertained.

It'd be cheaper to arrive by plane, with all identity documents in hand and THEN lodge an asylum claim, just like thousands of legit refugees do every year.

if you had the money, why wouldn't you pay someone to take you somewhere where you're able to have a better quality of life? I

Why pay $5000 or $10,000 for a boat ride, indefinite detention and no chance of settling in Australia, when you can pay around $400 per person on a plane and have almost guaranteed settlement?

because you can only get onto a plane with a passport AND a visa, obtaining said passport usually requires applying to your government, in the case of asylum seekers many of them are RUNNING from their government ...

they may as well send them an invitation saying come and shoot me at this address at this time, dress casual

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Re: Should Morrison resign
Reply #49 - Feb 19^th, 2014 at 6:35pm

Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 6:28pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 5:03pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 3:32pm:

Kat wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 3:29pm:

Should he resign? Yes, but he won't.

Should he be sacked, charged and jailed? Undoubtedly.

Should you be the subject of experimental brain surgery in order to find out how someone so profoundly stupid can type ... absolutely

why? have they finished with you already????

What are you his carer? Grin

why? you looking for an experienced carer?

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Re: Should Morrison resign
Reply #50 - Feb 19^th, 2014 at 6:49pm

No , in all seriousness, he has performed a miracle in stopping the boats this quickly. i did not think it was possible.
If he does resign, he should look at private industry, as he would get a massive bonus for getting such a monumental task accomplished so efficiently.
Well done scott. an order of australia ,next year to acknowledge your fine work

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Re: Should Morrison resign
Reply #51 - Feb 19^th, 2014 at 7:09pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 4:17pm:

viewpoint wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 3:51pm:

There are far more deserving cases, genuine asylum seekers who reside in camps in many countries waiting for their claim for asylum to be granted. They have applied through the correct channels, and endure camp conditions until their asylum claims are granted. They neither have the money to pay people smugglers nor do they want to enter a country illegally. These are the people this country would welcome, not boat load after boat load of cashed up queue jumpers who care nothing about Australian sovereign borders. They behave dishonourably and have acted illegally before they even touch land, Manus or otherwise.

Which is why a key part of the Malaysia solution was taking these people you are so desperately sad for in whilst returning those who engage smugglers.
Sure 800 was the start point but as sure as anything it would have been increased.

Did you say that was a good policy?
Did you argue here it should be at least given a chance?

Don't hide behind the High Court, they only enact the law, at any stage Tony could have joined with Labor & amended the law to make it happen.

Stop your disgusting crocodile tears, you don't give a flying *** about anyone.

Truth hurts eh arsehole.

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Re: Should Morrison resign
Reply #52 - Feb 19^th, 2014 at 7:43pm

Morrison should get a medal, not the sack. The only reason they're rioting is because Morrisons' policy is working and the detainees fear their efforts will have been in vain - and rightly so. I don't recall such incidents taking place under Labor, who invited the resumption of the people smuggling trade when Rudd dismantled the Pacific Solution at a time when less than a dozen people were in detention.

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Re: Should Morrison resign
Reply #53 - Feb 19^th, 2014 at 7:56pm

ABC 7.30 Report seems to put a shadow of doubt over the scenario Morrison presented which clearly was ~ nothing nasty happened inside his Compound and if anything nasty happened outside his Compound, "well bad luck, if you go out there, you are subject to PNG enforcement."

This bloke is feeding chooks, stupid chooks at that.

His Compound is in PNG sovereign land ...... subject to PNG Law which will apply inside and outside his smacking wires.

I can see what is coming. Morrison will claim a break in the chain of responsibility which would otherwise lead direct to his desk because there is a private firm contracted to keep all things lovely inside his Compound which sits in side PNG. Seems that contractor has employed local PNG people who may have over-reacted to taunts from refugees, and there was some less than lovely reactionary violence inside his Compound, which led to refugees breaking out to escape that violence. Of course, that immediately gave the locals licence to attack......outside.

All conjecture on my part. But, it is logical.

This has to be the subject of an open Inquiry, just like the allegations of brutality at sea must be the subject of an open Inquiry.

No-one ought be afraid of the truth.....unless of course, they have a self interest which would be threatened by it. Only those thereby threatened would seek to suppress truth.

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Re: Should Morrison resign
Reply #54 - Feb 19^th, 2014 at 8:02pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 7:43pm:

Morrison should get a medal, not the sack. The only reason they're rioting is because Morrisons' policy is working and the detainees fear their efforts will have been in vain - and rightly so. I don't recall such incidents taking place under Labor, who invited the resumption of the people smuggling trade when Rudd dismantled the Pacific Solution at a time when less than a dozen people were in detention.

He should get the rope.

Or at a minimum, the 'cat'.

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Re: Should Morrison resign
Reply #55 - Feb 19^th, 2014 at 8:20pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 6:34pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 5:33pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 5:07pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 3:39pm:

John S wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 10:55am:

viewpoint wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 10:22am:

Great job Scott, keep on doing what you're doing.........

Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 10:41am:

The lefts plan to turn Australia into a retirement village for middle eastern bludgers is in tatters thanks to Morrison, no wonder the smacking losers hate him Grin

To the both of you put yourself in asylum seeker shoes look at things through their eyes for a change.

If you were living in Afghanistan, Iran or Iraq and you know you or your family could get blown up at any time just for walking down the street, or your wife or daughters could get raped and you can’t report it as they would be blamed for the rape. Your daughters can’t go to school and get a education and your wife and daughters are treated as second class citizen. We take voting for our politicians in Australia as a right but in Afghanistan, Iran or Iraq you could get shoot for going to vote.

If any of that was happening to you wouldn’t you want to leave and find a safe country to bring your family to and bring them up in? Somewhere where everyone is treated equal somewhere where anyone breaking the law is punished by raping someone not the victim by reporting the rape.

Now what would do would you stop where you were or would you flee to a safer country?

However, fleeing to a safer country doesn't mean paying criminals to transport you 'under the radar', nor does it mean destroying ALL documentation before arriving so your identity and/or criminal record (or lack there of) can't be ascertained.

It'd be cheaper to arrive by plane, with all identity documents in hand and THEN lodge an asylum claim, just like thousands of legit refugees do every year.

if you had the money, why wouldn't you pay someone to take you somewhere where you're able to have a better quality of life? I

Why pay $5000 or $10,000 for a boat ride, indefinite detention and no chance of settling in Australia, when you can pay around $400 per person on a plane and have almost guaranteed settlement?

because you can only get onto a plane with a passport AND a visa, obtaining said passport usually requires applying to your government, in the case of asylum seekers many of them are RUNNING from their government ...

they may as well send them an invitation saying come and shoot me at this address at this time, dress casual

How do they manage to fly to Indonesia then?

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Re: Should Morrison resign
Reply #57 - Feb 19^th, 2014 at 9:20pm

viewpoint wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 7:09pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 4:17pm:

viewpoint wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 3:51pm:

There are far more deserving cases, genuine asylum seekers who reside in camps in many countries waiting for their claim for asylum to be granted. They have applied through the correct channels, and endure camp conditions until their asylum claims are granted. They neither have the money to pay people smugglers nor do they want to enter a country illegally. These are the people this country would welcome, not boat load after boat load of cashed up queue jumpers who care nothing about Australian sovereign borders. They behave dishonourably and have acted illegally before they even touch land, Manus or otherwise.

Which is why a key part of the Malaysia solution was taking these people you are so desperately sad for in whilst returning those who engage smugglers.
Sure 800 was the start point but as sure as anything it would have been increased.

Did you say that was a good policy?
Did you argue here it should be at least given a chance?

Don't hide behind the High Court, they only enact the law, at any stage Tony could have joined with Labor & amended the law to make it happen.

Stop your disgusting crocodile tears, you don't give a flying *** about anyone.

Truth hurts eh arsehole.

Thats something you rarely see here.

A bit of honesty, what your being honest about isn't something I'd be proud of, but hey its a free country.

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Re: Should Morrison resign
Reply #58 - Feb 19^th, 2014 at 9:21pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 8:20pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 6:34pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 5:33pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 5:07pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 3:39pm:

John S wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 10:55am:

viewpoint wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 10:22am:

Great job Scott, keep on doing what you're doing.........

Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 10:41am:

The lefts plan to turn Australia into a retirement village for middle eastern bludgers is in tatters thanks to Morrison, no wonder the smacking losers hate him Grin

To the both of you put yourself in asylum seeker shoes look at things through their eyes for a change.

If you were living in Afghanistan, Iran or Iraq and you know you or your family could get blown up at any time just for walking down the street, or your wife or daughters could get raped and you can’t report it as they would be blamed for the rape. Your daughters can’t go to school and get a education and your wife and daughters are treated as second class citizen. We take voting for our politicians in Australia as a right but in Afghanistan, Iran or Iraq you could get shoot for going to vote.

If any of that was happening to you wouldn’t you want to leave and find a safe country to bring your family to and bring them up in? Somewhere where everyone is treated equal somewhere where anyone breaking the law is punished by raping someone not the victim by reporting the rape.

Now what would do would you stop where you were or would you flee to a safer country?

However, fleeing to a safer country doesn't mean paying criminals to transport you 'under the radar', nor does it mean destroying ALL documentation before arriving so your identity and/or criminal record (or lack there of) can't be ascertained.

It'd be cheaper to arrive by plane, with all identity documents in hand and THEN lodge an asylum claim, just like thousands of legit refugees do every year.

if you had the money, why wouldn't you pay someone to take you somewhere where you're able to have a better quality of life? I

Why pay $5000 or $10,000 for a boat ride, indefinite detention and no chance of settling in Australia, when you can pay around $400 per person on a plane and have almost guaranteed settlement?

because you can only get onto a plane with a passport AND a visa, obtaining said passport usually requires applying to your government, in the case of asylum seekers many of them are RUNNING from their government ...

they may as well send them an invitation saying come and shoot me at this address at this time, dress casual

How do they manage to fly to Indonesia then?

Do they?

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Re: Should Morrison resign
Reply #59 - Feb 19^th, 2014 at 9:27pm

Hahahahaha Scrot Morriscum may not have any option BUT to resign!

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The breach could potentially see thousands of asylum seekers in Australia who were previously ineligible for refugee status have their claims validated, one legal expert says.

Refugee lawyer David Manne said the law was “crystal clear that identification of a person seeking protection can result in them being granted protection on that basis itself”.

. . . .

Fairfax Media understands the data was only accessible online since the Abbott government was sworn in.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/asylum-seeker-data-bung...

Oops—country shoppers just bought themselves a country! Grin

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