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Re: Clive Palmer hopeful of 2 more senators
Reply #135 - Mar 29^th, 2014 at 6:57pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 25^th, 2014 at 7:44pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 25^th, 2014 at 7:37pm:

It was reported he did.

A company does (and that is under current appeal,) not Clive personally.

The pedant arises!! A company he owns owes money he is appealing against. And the appeal is like so many other things he does, a delaying tactic and nothing more. He sues more than almost anyone regardless of the case knowing the cost of defence will win the battle for him.

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Reply #136 - Mar 29^th, 2014 at 6:59pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 5:25pm:

"To get a salary you need to fill in a form and send it in. I refuse to do it.

He should be shouting that from the rooftops, but then he'd be accused of chest beating. People are just so fed up with greedy career politicians that are in it for nothing more than to take and take and at the same time telling us all how tough we have to do it.

A billionaire saying that counts for nothing. When an ordinary person, living off his wife's earnings instead says it, it has meaning. He is giving up small change and nothing else.

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Re: Clive Palmer hopeful of 2 more senators
Reply #137 - Mar 29^th, 2014 at 7:01pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 6:54pm:

cods wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 5:33pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 2:33pm:

Cods, the matter is the subject of litigation....but the point I am making is that Clive personally does not owe the tax....a Company he controls and owns, owes it.

On another subject:

Clive has declined payment as a pollie. Note the other snouts in the State trough!

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CLIVE Palmer has slammed the latest pay rise for Queensland politicians, revealing he has not taken a cent since being elected to Federal parliament last year.

"The whole thing is a cesspool," the Palmer United Party leader said.

"It's about them. It's not about the community.''

New pay scales for state parliamentarians have pushed the Premier's wage to $379,562, a jump of $70,000. The Sunshine Coast's five Cabinet members are now on $310,066.

The salary for the Speaker Fiona Simpson (Maroochydore), jumps to $287,035, while Nicklin MP Peter Wellington receives $148,848 plus an additional $23,031 in total for his work on three committees.

"It's called public service,'' Mr Palmer said.

"To get a salary you need to fill in a form and send it in. I refuse to do it.

I KNOW DARLING.... BUT HE CALLS THE SHOTS.....YOUR AVERAGE ACCOUNTANT WOULD NOT..NOT PAY THE TAX

THATS WHAT I AM SAYING..

he either hasnt got it???..or is not a good taxpayer.

It is not his tax to pay. Please grasp that fact.

factually correctly, but absolutely untruthful.

AS full owner of the company, the $8M affects his net worth by the full $8M.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38799 Gender:	Re: Clive Palmer hopeful of 2 more senators Reply #138 - Mar 29^th, 2014 at 7:07pm Quote: factually correctly, but absolutely untruthful. Well, feather me duster. The alleged Newbie says I am factually correct, and at the same time - absolutely untruthful. Yay!
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jiminy cricket Junior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 81 Gender:	Re: Clive Palmer hopeful of 2 more senators Reply #139 - Mar 29^th, 2014 at 7:10pm I think he also called you a pedant. Which was spot on the money.
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Re: Clive Palmer hopeful of 2 more senators
Reply #140 - Mar 29^th, 2014 at 7:29pm

jiminy cricket wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 7:10pm:

I think he also called you a pedant. Which was spot on the money.

Yeas, he did. But, I am ignoring his abuse. No need to worry Moderators with that sort of fluff. He has serious issues with facts, and his own lexicon. House of Cards soon to crumble. Of course, he will turn that all around if only he can provide any credible evidence that many commentators predicted the 2010 hung Parliament. That should be easy given he reckons there were many.

Cheers.

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Re: Clive Palmer hopeful of 2 more senators
Reply #141 - Mar 29^th, 2014 at 7:50pm

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 6:59pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 5:25pm:

"To get a salary you need to fill in a form and send it in. I refuse to do it.

He should be shouting that from the rooftops, but then he'd be accused of chest beating. People are just so fed up with greedy career politicians that are in it for nothing more than to take and take and at the same time telling us all how tough we have to do it.

A billionaire saying that counts for nothing. When an ordinary person, living off his wife's earnings instead says it, it has meaning. He is giving up small change and nothing else.

Perhaps if Clive claimed his salary, and then donated it to a charity I'd give him some kudos. At this point he just sounds fat 'n lazy.

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Re: Clive Palmer hopeful of 2 more senators
Reply #142 - Mar 29^th, 2014 at 7:57pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 7:29pm:

jiminy cricket wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 7:10pm:

I think he also called you a pedant. Which was spot on the money.

Yeas, he did. But, I am ignoring his abuse. No need to worry Moderators with that sort of fluff. He has serious issues with facts, and his own lexicon. House of Cards soon to crumble. Of course, he will turn that all around if only he can provide any credible evidence that many commentators predicted the 2010 hung Parliament. That should be easy given he reckons there were many.

Cheers.

Cheesy

I've already found that your Google is broken and if you tried searching for results in Australia you might not end up looking like a goose so very very often. Of course, that will be up to you and your attraction to bring a goose whether or not you decide to search in the pertinent region.

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Re: Clive Palmer hopeful of 2 more senators
Reply #143 - Mar 29^th, 2014 at 8:11pm

jiminy cricket wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 7:57pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 7:29pm:

jiminy cricket wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 7:10pm:

I think he also called you a pedant. Which was spot on the money.

Yeas, he did. But, I am ignoring his abuse. No need to worry Moderators with that sort of fluff. He has serious issues with facts, and his own lexicon. House of Cards soon to crumble. Of course, he will turn that all around if only he can provide any credible evidence that many commentators predicted the 2010 hung Parliament. That should be easy given he reckons there were many.

Cheers.

Cheesy

I've already found that your Google is broken and if you tried searching for results in Australia you might not end up looking like a goose so very very often. Of course, that will be up to you and your attraction to bring a goose whether or not you decide to search in the pertinent region.

You've been here three days....and you are suddenly an expert on how often I 'look like a goose.'

Ho hum. Another PA asylum seeker. I'd keep a close eye on this one Mods.

Cool

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Clive Palmer hopeful of 2 more senators Reply #144 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:04pm Aussie wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 8:11pm: You've been here three days....and you are suddenly an expert on how often I 'look like a goose.' aussies thats not hard.
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Re: Clive Palmer hopeful of 2 more senators
Reply #145 - Mar 31^st, 2014 at 3:28pm

People are getting twitchy in WA!

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Tony Abbott and Bill Shorten will plead today with the WA public to stick with the coalition and Labor amid fears the Palmer United Party's wall of advertising is wooing over disengaged voters.

The Prime Minister and Opposition Leader are in Perth today, with concerns in both major parties about the results in Saturday's Senate re-run election.

Internal and public polling suggests PUP's lead candidate Dio Wang, who won a spot in the original contested count of WA's Senate ballots, is collecting enough support to guarantee him a position in the new Senate, which sits from July 1.

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Re: Clive Palmer hopeful of 2 more senators
Reply #146 - Mar 31^st, 2014 at 3:34pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 8:11pm:

jiminy cricket wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 7:57pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 7:29pm:

jiminy cricket wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 7:10pm:

I think he also called you a pedant. Which was spot on the money.

Yeas, he did. But, I am ignoring his abuse. No need to worry Moderators with that sort of fluff. He has serious issues with facts, and his own lexicon. House of Cards soon to crumble. Of course, he will turn that all around if only he can provide any credible evidence that many commentators predicted the 2010 hung Parliament. That should be easy given he reckons there were many.

Cheers.

Cheesy

I've already found that your Google is broken and if you tried searching for results in Australia you might not end up looking like a goose so very very often. Of course, that will be up to you and your attraction to bring a goose whether or not you decide to search in the pertinent region.

You've been here three days....and you are suddenly an expert on how often I 'look like a goose.'

Ho hum. Another PA asylum seeker. I'd keep a close eye on this one Mods.

Cool

I think he's been banned already.

He quickly came back with a sock called Oliver Q.

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Re: Clive Palmer hopeful of 2 more senators
Reply #147 - Mar 31^st, 2014 at 3:48pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 31^st, 2014 at 3:34pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 8:11pm:

jiminy cricket wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 7:57pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 7:29pm:

jiminy cricket wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 7:10pm:

I think he also called you a pedant. Which was spot on the money.

Yeas, he did. But, I am ignoring his abuse. No need to worry Moderators with that sort of fluff. He has serious issues with facts, and his own lexicon. House of Cards soon to crumble. Of course, he will turn that all around if only he can provide any credible evidence that many commentators predicted the 2010 hung Parliament. That should be easy given he reckons there were many.

Cheers.

Cheesy

I've already found that your Google is broken and if you tried searching for results in Australia you might not end up looking like a goose so very very often. Of course, that will be up to you and your attraction to bring a goose whether or not you decide to search in the pertinent region.

You've been here three days....and you are suddenly an expert on how often I 'look like a goose.'

Ho hum. Another PA asylum seeker. I'd keep a close eye on this one Mods.

Cool

I think he's been banned already.

He quickly came back with a sock called Oliver Q.

Yeas, and I believe jiminy cricket was also a shared account, of the kind I've been expecting to turn up here. AiA, the Admin. at PA, is an old hand at setting them up, and participating in their use. I reckon I can name those involved....but one was the permanently banned IQSRLOW. I won't name the others ~ to protect the guilty. PA arse-holes ought suffice.

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Re: Clive Palmer hopeful of 2 more senators
Reply #148 - Mar 31^st, 2014 at 4:07pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 31^st, 2014 at 3:28pm:

People are getting twitchy in WA!

Click here.

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Tony Abbott and Bill Shorten will plead today with the WA public to stick with the coalition and Labor amid fears the Palmer United Party's wall of advertising is wooing over disengaged voters.

The Prime Minister and Opposition Leader are in Perth today, with concerns in both major parties about the results in Saturday's Senate re-run election.

Internal and public polling suggests PUP's lead candidate Dio Wang, who won a spot in the original contested count of WA's Senate ballots, is collecting enough support to guarantee him a position in the new Senate, which sits from July 1.

Labor have little to fear from Palmer. There's likely to be enough of a swing to Labor to put them over two quotas but Labor won't go anywhere near three quotas. Thus, how well PUP polls is largely irrelevant to Labor's chances.

The Liberals would be far more worried about Palmer. They will get two quotas easily, but not three. Even in the original election, the Liberals needed preferences to get a third quota, and with a 5% swing their task is that much harder. Apart from the WA Nationals, the Liberals have few places where they get preferences ahead of PUP.

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Re: Clive Palmer hopeful of 2 more senators
Reply #149 - Apr 1^st, 2014 at 11:49am

Truth Seeker has modelled the WA Senate outcome using a Monte Carlo simulation.

Assumptions:
LIB: 37.1%
NAT: 4.5%
ALP: 31.5%
GRN: 12.3%
PUP: 3.5%
OTH: 11.0% (a detailed breakdown for all the minor party groups is in the blog post)

He has assumed only 3.5% vote for PUP which IMO is a bit low given the level of advertising and recent opinion polling.

His findings are interesting.

Very likely (>90% likelihood):
LIB: 3 (3rd Senator with 91% likelihood)
ALP: 2 (100%)
GRN: 1 (93%)

Unlikely:
NAT: 7%
ALP3: 6% (third ALP Senator)
WIKI: 1.2% (Wiki are in group A and would benefit from the donkey vote)
PUP: 0.6%
DEM: 0.5%

On the small chance of electing a third NAT Senator, he states the following: "In terms of a left-right breakdown, note that my modelling does not show NAT being elected when 3 LIB are elected - the NAT is an unlikely substitute for the 3rd LIB Senator."

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