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Reply #30 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 6:32am

Aussie wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 9:09pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 9:00pm:

It is true - Clive is in it for Clive.

Pig of a bloke. Ask any of his staff (aside from Aussie)

Let's see some evidence, Mr Hicks.

(And noooo, I am not on his staff. I own, operate and drive in the Taxi Industry. Yeas, I am a Member of PUP, and yeas, I admit that after one of your Posts, I actually booked into the Resort to see what was on the TV. You exaggerated the truth. It was just a normal TV and if you selected the relevant Channels, yeas, there was "Clive" blurb. There was no compulsion on you to look at them. And yeas, I'm sure that if your Australian conference director tried to tell Clive how to run what Clive owns, Clive would have taken a nano-second to tell him to bugger off.)

really?????>.... OMG.. to see what was on T>V> now I have heard everything....

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Reply #31 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 12:12pm

Aussie wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 6:29pm:

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Mandate? What percent of the vote gives him a mandate...

He was elected on that Policy. Two PUP Senators were elected on that Policy. They have a mandate to pursue that Policy. Anything else would be be a betrayal of the people who voted for them.

A mandate is accompanied by a clear majority and governance... not a poofteenth of the vote.

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Re: Clive Palmer hopeful of 2 more senators
Reply #32 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 11:03am

Grendel wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 12:12pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 6:29pm:

[quote]Mandate? What percent of the vote gives him a mandate...

He was elected on that Policy. Two PUP Senators were elected on that Policy. They have a mandate to pursue that Policy. Anything else would be be a betrayal of the people who voted for them.

A mandate is accompanied by a clear majority and governance... not a poofteenth of the vote.[/quote]

HILARIOUS....do you think he is talking about

WILKIE WINDSOR AND OAKESHOTT????? Grin

who took not the slightest notice of who voted them in.

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Reply #33 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 11:59am

Grendel wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 12:12pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 6:29pm:

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Mandate? What percent of the vote gives him a mandate...

He was elected on that Policy. Two PUP Senators were elected on that Policy. They have a mandate to pursue that Policy. Anything else would be be a betrayal of the people who voted for them.

A mandate is accompanied by a clear majority and governance... not a poofteenth of the vote.

Funny how opinions of mandates change according to which party is in power. Grin

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Re: Clive Palmer hopeful of 2 more senators
Reply #34 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 12:12pm

Bam wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 11:59am:

Grendel wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 12:12pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 6:29pm:

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Mandate? What percent of the vote gives him a mandate...

He was elected on that Policy. Two PUP Senators were elected on that Policy. They have a mandate to pursue that Policy. Anything else would be be a betrayal of the people who voted for them.

A mandate is accompanied by a clear majority and governance... not a poofteenth of the vote.

Funny how opinions of mandates change according to which party is in power. Grin

True. People vote for a local candidate based on their Policy. If they win, they have not only a mandate, they have a fiduciary obligation to pursue that very Policy.

Clive and the PUP Senators have said obligation. What is pissing Grendel off is not that.....it is that those Senators have been delivered (through a democratic process) capacity to push that mandate, and it does not suit his agenda.

Exactly the same democratic process handed three MHRs fundamental power to push their mandates as well.

Hence, Gillard was confronted with a dilemma, and on the other side of that coin was why we never heard the end of:

"There will be no carbon tax under a Government I lead," one she never anticipated she would have to give ground to other mandates to put together.

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Reply #35 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 12:42pm

Aussie wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 12:12pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 11:59am:

Grendel wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 12:12pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 6:29pm:

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Mandate? What percent of the vote gives him a mandate...

He was elected on that Policy. Two PUP Senators were elected on that Policy. They have a mandate to pursue that Policy. Anything else would be be a betrayal of the people who voted for them.

A mandate is accompanied by a clear majority and governance... not a poofteenth of the vote.

Funny how opinions of mandates change according to which party is in power. Grin

True. People vote for a local candidate based on their Policy. If they win, they have not only a mandate, they have a fiduciary obligation to pursue that very Policy.

Clive and the PUP Senators have said obligation. What is pissing Grendel off is not that.....it is that those Senators have been delivered (through a democratic process) capacity to push that mandate, and it does not suit his agenda.

Exactly the same democratic process handed three MHRs fundamental power to push their mandates as well.

Hence, Gillard was confronted with a dilemma, and on the other side of that coin was why we never heard the end of:

"There will be no carbon tax under a Government I lead," one she never anticipated she would have to give ground to other mandates to put together.

The Coalition blocked the ETS in the Senate twice during Rudd's term. If the mandate argument had any weight, they would have passed it because Rudd had a mandate to implement an ETS. In fact, an ETS was also Coalition policy, so by blocking the ETS, they ignored their own mandate to implement this policy.

So it is really unconvincing for any Coalition supporter to make the "mandate" argument given their own party's conduct.

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Reply #36 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 1:19pm

Bam wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 12:42pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 12:12pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 11:59am:

Grendel wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 12:12pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 6:29pm:

Quote:

Mandate? What percent of the vote gives him a mandate...

He was elected on that Policy. Two PUP Senators were elected on that Policy. They have a mandate to pursue that Policy. Anything else would be be a betrayal of the people who voted for them.

A mandate is accompanied by a clear majority and governance... not a poofteenth of the vote.

Funny how opinions of mandates change according to which party is in power. Grin

True. People vote for a local candidate based on their Policy. If they win, they have not only a mandate, they have a fiduciary obligation to pursue that very Policy.

Clive and the PUP Senators have said obligation. What is pissing Grendel off is not that.....it is that those Senators have been delivered (through a democratic process) capacity to push that mandate, and it does not suit his agenda.

Exactly the same democratic process handed three MHRs fundamental power to push their mandates as well.

Hence, Gillard was confronted with a dilemma, and on the other side of that coin was why we never heard the end of:

"There will be no carbon tax under a Government I lead," one she never anticipated she would have to give ground to other mandates to put together.

The Coalition blocked the ETS in the Senate twice during Rudd's term. If the mandate argument had any weight, they would have passed it because Rudd had a mandate to implement an ETS. In fact, an ETS was also Coalition policy, so by blocking the ETS, they ignored their own mandate to implement this policy.

So it is really unconvincing for any Coalition supporter to make the "mandate" argument given their own party's conduct.

REALLY...

why is it a lefty always forgets to mention

that the

GREENS

also voted it down...

I wonder WHY???? seeing as how they wanted it so badly!

the libs have never pretended to like it..

Howards policy was far different from big kevs.. kevin rubbished it.. he wanted a 60% reduction by 2050... Roll Eyes

he claimed Howards way would never go anywhere near that... Roll Eyes

dont forget it wasnt Abbott policy..

are we on track btw?

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Re: Clive Palmer hopeful of 2 more senators
Reply #37 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 1:50pm

cods wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 1:19pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 12:42pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 12:12pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 11:59am:

Grendel wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 12:12pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 6:29pm:

Quote:

Mandate? What percent of the vote gives him a mandate...

He was elected on that Policy. Two PUP Senators were elected on that Policy. They have a mandate to pursue that Policy. Anything else would be be a betrayal of the people who voted for them.

A mandate is accompanied by a clear majority and governance... not a poofteenth of the vote.

Funny how opinions of mandates change according to which party is in power. Grin

True. People vote for a local candidate based on their Policy. If they win, they have not only a mandate, they have a fiduciary obligation to pursue that very Policy.

Clive and the PUP Senators have said obligation. What is pissing Grendel off is not that.....it is that those Senators have been delivered (through a democratic process) capacity to push that mandate, and it does not suit his agenda.

Exactly the same democratic process handed three MHRs fundamental power to push their mandates as well.

Hence, Gillard was confronted with a dilemma, and on the other side of that coin was why we never heard the end of:

"There will be no carbon tax under a Government I lead," one she never anticipated she would have to give ground to other mandates to put together.

The Coalition blocked the ETS in the Senate twice during Rudd's term. If the mandate argument had any weight, they would have passed it because Rudd had a mandate to implement an ETS. In fact, an ETS was also Coalition policy, so by blocking the ETS, they ignored their own mandate to implement this policy.

So it is really unconvincing for any Coalition supporter to make the "mandate" argument given their own party's conduct.

REALLY...

why is it a lefty always forgets to mention

that the

GREENS

also voted it down...

I wonder WHY???? seeing as how they wanted it so badly!

the libs have never pretended to like it..

Howards policy was far different from big kevs.. kevin rubbished it.. he wanted a 60% reduction by 2050... Roll Eyes

he claimed Howards way would never go anywhere near that... Roll Eyes

dont forget it wasnt Abbott policy..

are we on track btw?

Ah .. but the Greens and their supporters don't bang on endlessly about mandates while disrepecting the mandates of others.

The Coalition are hypocrites.

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Re: Clive Palmer hopeful of 2 more senators
Reply #38 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 2:23pm

cods wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 6:30am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 9:18pm:

So when I said that -

1. There are 2 Channels called Palmer TV running on loop about his life.

2. There is a channel called Titanic running Titanic film on loop - because the nutcase is building Titanic 2 and has become obsessed on the subject.

3. The Palmer resort has succeeded in pissing off the Australian PGA for putting a giant dinosaur on the 18th green and pissing off the Hyatt who packed up and left because of his antics.

4. Behind the car in reception there is a wall plastered with photos of ....... Himself!!!

What part do I have wrong?? Cheesy

To quote our esteemed Managing Director of Australia (a Liberal 200 club member whose got me into some good dinners in the past)

"Welcome everyone to the APAC Conference which we in Australia are delighted to host.
It almost didn't go ahead, this resort for those of you who didn't know is owned by a very wealthy man but who is also an absolute fruit loop who should be locked into an asylum.
Of our 4 meetings, he only turned up to two and has changed our itinerary no less than 9 times...
Never again to quote our Marketing Director"

Palmer. Utter fricken loon.

he sounds like just what Australia needs.

a self interested wannabee...he thinks he has money??????...so did Bondy.....he thinks he should be PM... because hes rich dontcha know?..

he thinks if you look sideways at him he will sue the pants off you.... NICE!

he thinks he owns the world.. and then the world owes him...simple really.

He's an A Grade nutcase cods.
Absolute sociopath.

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Reply #39 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 2:43pm

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He's an A Grade nutcase cods.
Absolute sociopath.

So you keep saying, and without one relevant piece of evidence. The only thing you have against him is that he had the balls to tell you and your lot to bugger off from his Resort.

I'm not surprised he did, given the attitude you demonstrate here with just about every post you make, which is that you and yours are God's gift to the rest of us.

Sure, you are honest, but that does not excuse the level of brash, selfish, peacock arrogance on display.

I would have loved to have been there when Clive showed 'you' the door.

Mind you, I'd then bring you back here, give you a VB and a talk about humility and what the true worth of a bloke is in this Country.

It ain't money, power, position or influence as you seem to suggest with every post.

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Reply #41 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 2:55pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 2:47pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 5:28pm:

red baron wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 5:21pm:

Clive Palmer is in Politics for Clive Palmer Inc. and for no other reason.

Can you justify that opinion?

for starters, his retrospective Carbon tax repeal ... you think thats about anyone except himself?

We've already been over this, so I won't repeat what I've already said. ^^^^

My silly little guess is that if the tax is repealed retrospectively, it won't be just Clive who does not have to pay what even Abbott said is a bad tax which must be axed.

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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: Clive Palmer hopeful of 2 more senators Reply #42 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 2:57pm Come on Aussie, Clive is in politics to boost his business interests. Whatever he says now is no guide to his future conduct. I hope no PUP is elected in WA.
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Reply #43 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 3:23pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 2:57pm:

Come on Aussie, Clive is in politics to boost his business interests. Whatever he says now is no guide to his future conduct.

I hope no PUP is elected in WA.

He will be precluded from doing that, and he absented himself from Parliament when Abbott's axe the tax legislation was voted upon in the HoR.

While I am perfectly happy with the concept that like all of us, he is fundamentally always going to look after number one to the extent he can.....he says that he took this political course because one night, he was having a whinge to his Wife about how crappy things were, and she said something along the lines of, "Well, stop bitching to me, and do something yourself, whinger!"

So he did. I reckon it has been a roller coaster ride even he did not predict. But, if someone can show me a flaw in PUP Policy, I'd be happy to debate it.

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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: Clive Palmer hopeful of 2 more senators Reply #44 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 3:32pm Look, I can imagine you are happy that Libs lost Fairfax, a seat they absolutely took for granted. What has Clive done for Faifax so far?
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