Stratos wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 10:31pm:


Nice one Stratos !



OK, Stephanie Banister, is a good, 'in your face', example of what is wrong with politics in the West.

Politics in the West - is often being 'driven' and 'informed', by the ignorant and by the uninformed [a failing of character, which also seems to infect much of our mainstream media today !].

And unfortunately, people like Stephanie Banister seek to present themselves as 'trend setters', when in fact they are trend and 'fashion' followers, who do not feel that they have enough time [or the intellectual capacity ?] to properly inform themselves, about important political/social issues ?

In short they are fakers and deceivers, imo.

What was it that i said - about what is wrong with politics in the West ?.......

Oh yes, in conclusion, with a good media directer/manager, i have little doubt that Stephanie Banister could pass for a good/typical Australian pollie.






Yadda wrote on Jan 14^th, 2013 at 10:02am:

Yadda wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 12:35am:


Ah.

you seriously expect me to waste 5 minutes of my life listening to that git?

I'll give you the 2 second summary: halal sux because islam sux.

FD's certainly got a bee in his bonnet about this one.

freediver wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 1:06pm:


No, because in this case "foreign governments" (if the MUI can even be considered government - which I'm not even sure about) is simply just another trader. Its so much simpler than you're making it out to be - you can even forget about the the meat product, since all we're talking about here is the selling and buying of halal certificates - which consists of:

1. Indonesian MUI selling halal certificates
2. Australian abattoir's buying halal certificates

Thats all this is about, and its completely irrelevant if one of the traders is partly or wholly a "foreign government".

And yes, the MUI can sell their product (the certificates) on whatever terms it damn well pleases. If its an unreasonable price, the buyer can simply choose not to buy it (which they did) - and the MUI is the loser. The buyers will simply turn to another seller of halal certificate (obviously MUI controlled suppliers are not the only ones - Australia sells frozen meat to many other muslim countries besides Indonesia), or, if the MUI wants to get back into the Australian halal-certificate-selling market, they will have to offer a more competitive price. Thats how capitalism works FD.

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FD's Spam thread removed as per FD's own advise to "start discussions and get people thinking, not to spam the board with your own agenda." Also deleted two follow-up mock threads.

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Certificates are the only product of interest in this case, and until you understand that the trading in certificates is the only relevant point here, you will continue to be confused and continue with this bizarre game of histrionics.

- QLD abattoirs want to buy halal certificates - for what purpose is completely irrelevant
- MUI sells said abattoirs the certificates it wants.
- MUI gets greedy and charges exorbitant fees for these certificates
- abattoirs respond by boycotting MUI and starts looking for better deal

Its really that simple. Confusing the issue with irrelevant details like monopolies and foreign governments is nothing but red herrings to the central point I was making.

Soren wrote on Mar 1^st, 2014 at 1:42pm:


Not sure what you're on about there - Egyptian democracy was dismantled by what we would term the "anti-islamists" - the facebook trendoids in Tahrir square demanding the overthrow of the islamists, and the despotic military gladly obliging. And in Afghanistan, I don't recall the taliban ever cynically embracing democracy to end it - they have been ruthlessly open about their desire to smash it to pieces.

Soren wrote on Mar 1^st, 2014 at 1:42pm:


There is a significant body of muslims who are anti-sharia. Look at the surveys of French muslims (for example) - that would be what FD would describe as "finding out what muslims actually think"

Karnal wrote on Mar 1^st, 2014 at 6:25pm:


Radical concept I know. FD used to think it was overrated, and for years he stuck doggedly to the idea that the only muslim opinions we needed to know about were Abu and Falah's. That is until he stumbled across a survey that had a majority of Malaysian muslims supporting death for apostasy. Then suddenly he was all "oh isn't this 'finding out what muslims actually think' thing wonderful!" Of course muslim opinions supporting liberal/secular things will be discarded, and we will be promptly told to defer back to Abu and Falah.