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Re: Congratulations Denmark. No more halal.
Reply #15 - Feb 19^th, 2014 at 6:39pm

Stratos wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 6:22pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 6:03pm:

We civilised human beings shoot a steel bolt into the brain of a confined beast, before we slit its throat.

Yadda wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 6:13pm:

Personally, i believe that if we want to desire to eat meat, we should be prepared to willing to slaughter our own, and dress down the carcass.

Did you work in an abattoir in the past or something?

No.

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Congratulations Denmark. No more halal. Reply #16 - Feb 19^th, 2014 at 6:43pm So how did you kill your food?
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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Congratulations Denmark. No more halal. Reply #17 - Feb 19^th, 2014 at 6:58pm Soren wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 5:32pm: Malmö across the bridge is practically a Muslim city. They will import halal and kosher meat from there. Speaking of bridges ... link
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Reply #18 - Feb 19^th, 2014 at 7:14pm

So I ask again herbert - what's barbaric about it?

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‘It is a procedure that is done under the guise of animal welfare, despite the fact that many scientific studies show that the animal suffers less when properly performed ritual slaughter than when it gets a blow to the head with a nail gun.’

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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 21786 A cat with a view	Re: Congratulations Denmark. No more halal. Reply #19 - Feb 19^th, 2014 at 7:34pm Stratos wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 6:43pm: So how did you kill your food? post #13
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95911 Gender:	Re: Congratulations Denmark. No more halal. Reply #20 - Feb 19^th, 2014 at 7:43pm I trust that salad was slaughtered humanely, Y. Whenever the old boy chokes a darkie, he always gasses them first. You can tell. They come out a treat on the plate. Such flavour.
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Reply #21 - Feb 19^th, 2014 at 7:44pm

... wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 7:14pm:

So I ask again herbert - what's barbaric about it?

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‘It is a procedure that is done under the guise of animal welfare, despite the fact that many scientific studies show that the animal suffers less when properly performed ritual slaughter than when it gets a blow to the head with a nail gun.’

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'The animals which are slaughtered have systems for detecting and feeling pain and, as a result of the cut and the blood loss, if not stunned, their welfare will be poor because of pain, fear and other adverse effects. The cuts which are used in order that rapid bleeding occurs involve substantial tissue damage in areas well supplied with pain receptors. The rapid decrease in blood pressure which follows the blood loss is readily detected by the conscious animal and elicits fear and panic. Poor welfare also results when conscious animals inhale blood because of bleeding into the trachea. Without stunning, the time between cutting through the major blood vessels and insensibility, as deduced from behavioural and brain response, is up to 20 seconds in sheep, up to 25 seconds in pigs, up to 2 minutes in cattle, up to 2.5 or more minutes in poultry, and sometimes 15 minutes or more in fish.'

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Congratulations Denmark. No more halal. Reply #22 - Feb 19^th, 2014 at 7:48pm Yadda wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 7:34pm: Stratos wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 6:43pm: So how did you kill your food? post #13 You just said slaughter in that post.
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Reply #23 - Feb 19^th, 2014 at 7:50pm

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Extorting? If it wasn't profitable for producers to make halal goods then the majority wouldn't. By not providing halal goods, you are cutting yourself out of a massive chunk of the global market, and THAT is why it is in their best interests to do so.

It is still extorting money. No other religious group charges absurdly high amounts of money for the right to sell to that group. For other religions, certification is about religious requirements for the food, not making money. They charge just enough money so it is barely worth it to pay the money, in addition to all the requirements for Muslim-only jobs, and some businesses have decided that the price is simply too high. it is cynical anti-competitive behaviour and protectionism hidden under the guise of religion.

Participating in a market that does not have a level playing field is still better than not participating at all, but trying to whitewash it with crap about it "being in their interests" is just more BS Islamic spin.

Islam manages to blur the line between a pious man and a money grubbing whore. But that's OK, because you don't have to give money to a whore unless you want to.

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Congratulations Denmark. No more halal. Reply #24 - Feb 19^th, 2014 at 7:55pm Freediver, do you have anything at all to back any of that up?
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Reply #25 - Feb 19^th, 2014 at 8:01pm

There was a lengthy thread a month or two back on this board about the extortionist prices being charged to Australian abattoirs for halal certification, which is required to export to many Muslim countries - hence it is a form of protectionism, as well as Muslim-only jobs in Australian abattoirs. Some Australian businesses simply could not afford the price, which was so high that it obviously had nothing to do with the actual costs involved. It is probably off the radar of the free trade people, seeing as we donate piles of money to many of these countries anyway (Indonesia in particular), but it still seems a bit cynical that they use religion to extort money like that. Plus, there are large sums of money going who-knows where. Supposedly to Australian Islamic schools - the same schools that are currently under investigation for siphoning off government funds to overseas groups.

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People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Congratulations Denmark. No more halal. Reply #26 - Feb 19^th, 2014 at 8:05pm So I guess that's a no.
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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Congratulations Denmark. No more halal. Reply #27 - Feb 19^th, 2014 at 8:11pm freediver wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 8:01pm: Supposedly to Australian Islamic schools - the same schools that are currently under investigation for siphoning off government funds to overseas groups. ... to the tune of $9million at last count.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95911 Gender:	Re: Congratulations Denmark. No more halal. Reply #28 - Feb 19^th, 2014 at 8:23pm Stratos wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 8:05pm: So I guess that's a no. It’s a very big no. FDs nos are starting to rival Y’s yesses.
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Re: Congratulations Denmark. No more halal.
Reply #29 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 7:25am

freediver wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 7:50pm:

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Extorting? If it wasn't profitable for producers to make halal goods then the majority wouldn't. By not providing halal goods, you are cutting yourself out of a massive chunk of the global market, and THAT is why it is in their best interests to do so.

It is still extorting money. No other religious group charges absurdly high amounts of money for the right to sell to that group. For other religions, certification is about religious requirements for the food, not making money. They charge just enough money so it is barely worth it to pay the money, in addition to all the requirements for Muslim-only jobs, and some businesses have decided that the price is simply too high. it is cynical anti-competitive behaviour and protectionism hidden under the guise of religion.

Participating in a market that does not have a level playing field is still better than not participating at all, but trying to whitewash it with crap about it "being in their interests" is just more BS Islamic spin.

Islam manages to blur the line between a pious man and a money grubbing whore. But that's OK, because you don't have to give money to a whore unless you want to.

No other religious group is exposed because there not muslims.Only muslims need to be exposed.

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