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Reply #15 - Feb 21st, 2014 at 11:20pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 2:06pm:
I find most feminists don't have any love in their lives , so they are happy to try and induce hate, which is , at least a strong emotion.   
The trick though is to treat them to the emotion that all humans dread.
Ignore them.
Treat them like they don't exist.
If there are feminists at a party just flirt with the other chicks and act as if they are invisible, drives them abso fing lutely nutz
Wink Wink


Should've been done when they first started acting up.  If some of that rampant insanity had been ignored and rejected right then and there instead of appeasing the poor dears, this country and many others would not be in the dire straits they are now.

Here's an example:-

https://sites.google.com/site/grappleruniversitypublications/home/department-of-...

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Reply #16 - Feb 22nd, 2014 at 12:46am
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 3:18pm:
No a single new thing there for the 'oppressed' and badly beaten woman - who, in the case of the writer, is only known through her 'book larnin'.

I wouldn't pay it any mind.

She'll look great in the old ladies nursing home, childless and without her old and now deceased man's super and wage input all his life before he carks it from working too damned hard to satisfy her lust for material things.

Yellow Fever - got me a 22 year old law student who wants to live in sin with me while she 'bridges' to Oz, a 19 year old computer programing student who wants to marry me, and a 50 year old public servant with several properties who wants me there until we travel the world....

Now - that is one hard decision....  I'm afraid Western women will become a declining demographic as time goes by, if that one is anything to judge by, with her endless rhetoric and monologues against all things men.

MANkind - love it or leave it!


I sense much bitterness with misgonystic, vengeful and racist overtones. It must have been bad, whatever it was. Cry
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Reply #17 - Feb 22nd, 2014 at 12:52am
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 3:36pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 12:03pm:
Ford wouldn't even be aware of how totalitarian she sounds (this takes honest self-reflection). Her position is basically 'you're either with me or against me'; which is basically the position of every totalitarian and fascist.



Which is also pretty much the same as the conservative position. George "dubya" Bush said exactly the same thing while promoting his ill fated "war on terror".

It is also remarkably similiar to the conservatives veiw of Muslims. I have heard time and time again that unless your average muslim spends every waking hour publicly condemning terrorism, they are considered to be supporting it by their silence.

I have genuine sympathy for the cause of women striving for equal opportunities, being able to walk the streets safetly and freedom from the stereotypes and double standards of society. But I have no time for the hardcore "us and them" hatred of men. It is the right wing fascist branch of feminism.


The militancy may be misguided, but I can understand it.
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Re: Clementine Ford - Feminist rant
Reply #18 - Feb 22nd, 2014 at 1:10am
 
Winston Smith wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 12:46am:
I sense much bitterness with misgonystic, vengeful and racist overtones. It must have been bad, whatever it was. Cry


Got anything to offer other than the same old feminist line of vitriol instead of discussion?

Any disagreement with the feminst line is 'woman-hating', any rejection of their tenets is 'revenge' on the poor dears, and how you derive racist from it is beyond me.  I never mentioned race.

Can't tell the poor dears they're wrong or you are a bad man; can't say they are doing often dreadful things to many without being called nasty to the poor dears; and I'll have a dollar each way on number seven in the ninth at Ascot.

Your response is a perfect example of the puerile and schoolyard antics of 'feminists' worldwide.

I support WOMEN in having a fair go - I do not, and never will, support feminism.  And, excuse me, but I will point out when and where 'feminists' and their like are wrong, as is my right.

Should you ever wish to discuss issues on their merits instead of the usual and out-worn mud-slinging - feel free.

Grin     Grin      Grin      Grin       Grin      Grin      Grin      Grin      Grin      Grin      Grin      Grin      Grin      Grin      Grin      Grin      Grin      Grin      Grin
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Reply #19 - Feb 22nd, 2014 at 1:12am
 
Winston Smith wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 12:52am:
The militancy may be misguided, but I can understand it.


Pray enlighten us, O Great  and Wise One - HOW and WHY do you understand it?

Grin      Grin     etc


Oh, all right - I mentioned lovely Asian ladies in comparison to the harpies who masquerade as 'feminist' "women" these days here.

Not even a need for a decision....

I still want to know on what grounds you justify never-ending feminist jihads against 50% of the human race.  I know you can't in reality, but please try - just for the fun of it.
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Reply #20 - Feb 22nd, 2014 at 1:34am
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 1:10am:
Winston Smith wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 12:46am:
I sense much bitterness with misgonystic, vengeful and racist overtones. It must have been bad, whatever it was. Cry


Got anything to offer other than the same old feminist line of vitriol instead of discussion?

Any disagreement with the feminst line is 'woman-hating', any rejection of their tenets is 'revenge' on the poor dears, and how you derive racist from it is beyond me.  I never mentioned race.

Can't tell the poor dears they're wrong or you are a bad man; can't say they are doing often dreadful things to many without being called nasty to the poor dears; and I'll have a dollar each way on number seven in the ninth at Ascot.

Your response is a perfect example of the puerile and schoolyard antics of 'feminists' worldwide.

I support WOMEN in having a fair go - I do not, and never will, support feminism.  And, excuse me, but I will point out when and where 'feminists' and their like are wrong, as is my right.

Should you ever wish to discuss issues on their merits instead of the usual and out-worn mud-slinging - feel free.

Grin     Grin      Grin      Grin       Grin      Grin      Grin      Grin      Grin      Grin      Grin      Grin      Grin      Grin      Grin      Grin      Grin      Grin      Grin


It isn't your place to tell them that. They will find their own way.
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Reply #21 - Feb 22nd, 2014 at 1:36am
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 1:12am:
Winston Smith wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 12:52am:
The militancy may be misguided, but I can understand it.


Pray enlighten us, O Great  and Wise One - HOW and WHY do you understand it?

Grin      Grin     etc


Oh, all right - I mentioned lovely Asian ladies in comparison to the harpies who masquerade as 'feminist' "women" these days here.

Not even a need for a decision....

I still want to know on what grounds you justify never-ending feminist jihads against 50% of the human race.  I know you can't in reality, but please try - just for the fun of it.


When people are frightened, they see monsters all around.
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Reply #22 - Feb 22nd, 2014 at 9:53am
 
Winston Smith wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 1:34am:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 1:10am:
Winston Smith wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 12:46am:
I sense much bitterness with misgonystic, vengeful and racist overtones. It must have been bad, whatever it was. Cry


Got anything to offer other than the same old feminist line of vitriol instead of discussion?

Any disagreement with the feminst line is 'woman-hating', any rejection of their tenets is 'revenge' on the poor dears, and how you derive racist from it is beyond me.  I never mentioned race.

Can't tell the poor dears they're wrong or you are a bad man; can't say they are doing often dreadful things to many without being called nasty to the poor dears; and I'll have a dollar each way on number seven in the ninth at Ascot.

Your response is a perfect example of the puerile and schoolyard antics of 'feminists' worldwide.

I support WOMEN in having a fair go - I do not, and never will, support feminism.  And, excuse me, but I will point out when and where 'feminists' and their like are wrong, as is my right.

Should you ever wish to discuss issues on their merits instead of the usual and out-worn mud-slinging - feel free.

Grin     Grin      Grin      Grin       Grin      Grin      Grin      Grin      Grin      Grin      Grin      Grin      Grin      Grin      Grin      Grin      Grin      Grin      Grin


It isn't your place to tell them that. They will find their own way.


Sorry to step out of line and voice my objection to their latest rant and selfish move, mein Fuhrer!

A laugh a minute!  If they wish to continue to dispute realities such as 'wage gaps' which don't exist, and persist in lies and propaganda to prop up never-ending campaigns over utter bulldust - and they wish to do so on a genuinely equal basis - then they must be prepared, just like everyone else, to deal with the criticisms and disagreement of other.

Sorry 'bout that!  I have zero obligation to accept the approved feminist line and every right to criticise it - and feminists and the likes of you will not silence me.

Deal with it like adults or get off the train.
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Re: Clementine Ford - Feminist rant
Reply #23 - Feb 22nd, 2014 at 9:55am
 
Winston Smith wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 1:36am:
When people are frightened, they see monsters all around.


Now you are beginning to fairly and squarely place your 'feminists' in the context of their never-ending disputation of life etc - these and their running dogs are surrounded by monsters in their own minds - perhaps from this point you may be able to guide them gently into the lines of reason and away from their current emotive and false ideology.
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Reply #24 - Feb 22nd, 2014 at 10:23am
 
Winston Smith wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 12:27pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 8:23pm:
Let's play the game of spot the logical fallacy.

I see appeal to personal experience and guilt by association.

This was just on the first read.

Feel free to add your own.


Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 8:37pm:
There are so many slogans in the article that come straight from a cultural studies or feminist course that it sounds like a parody.

Let us also, then, play the game of spot the feminist slogan (these are slogans that you find only within the discipline of feminism and other like-minded "progressive" groups that have little to no empirical evidence to support them or make no sense beyond the little circle of feminists).

I see: privilege, patriarchy, equality, sexist, positions of power, equal wages, oppression, racist, misogynists, and homophobic.

Feel free to add any you think make the list.


Would you care to be more specific?


Sure.

Appeal to personal experience:

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If I had a dollar for every time I heard a man tell me that if I want his support to continue, I had better start being nicer to him


Guilt by association:

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The universal male decency we keep hearing about is largely a myth.


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cause, Good Men, every time do nothing in response to tired sexist jokes or victim blaming or discussions of ‘provocation’ in regards to gendered assault, you’re actually supporting the system that continues to oppress women.



Personal yarns might be popular amongst the sisterhood and "progressive" bloggers, but if you want to be taken seriously references and evidence need to be used. Notice there's not one reference in the rant? First year undergraduates are taught to aim for objectivity, write and analyse in the third person, remove yourself from the argument, and just present the evidence in the research. Ford does not do this; she is thoroughly immersed in her rant. Imagine a scientist trying to publish results on what he/she was "feeling", rather than observed experiment.

The guilt by association fallacy is the same argument the racists, and ironically the sexists she is against, use. The old racist arguments of the 17th, 18th, and early 19th century revolved around witnessing a few people of a particular race act in a certain way, then extrapolating these acts to the whole race. Ford does the same. She picks out a few crimes or phenomena of men, then claims that all men who do not act out against them are just as bad as they. Of course, though, she wouldn't be aware that she's utilising argumentative strategies that the very people she is against once used. In feminists circles, righteous indignation trumps all. Logic, reason, evidence is secondary to their totalitarianism.
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Reply #25 - Feb 22nd, 2014 at 12:03pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 10:23am:
The old racist arguments of the 17th, 18th, and early 19th century revolved around witnessing a few people of a particular race act in a certain way, then extrapolating these acts to the whole race.


Are you seriously trying to suggest that this doesn't still happen today? It is the conservative MO.
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Reply #26 - Feb 22nd, 2014 at 12:45pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 12:03pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 10:23am:
The old racist arguments of the 17th, 18th, and early 19th century revolved around witnessing a few people of a particular race act in a certain way, then extrapolating these acts to the whole race.


Are you seriously trying to suggest that this doesn't still happen today? It is the conservative MO.


Not at all. But "progressive" feminists are supposed to be above stereotyping and generalisations based on race and sex/gender, yet they will use the same argumentation methods to push their agenda.


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Reply #27 - Feb 22nd, 2014 at 12:49pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 3:36pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 12:03pm:
Ford wouldn't even be aware of how totalitarian she sounds (this takes honest self-reflection). Her position is basically 'you're either with me or against me'; which is basically the position of every totalitarian and fascist.



Which is also pretty much the same as the conservative position. George "dubya" Bush said exactly the same thing while promoting his ill fated "war on terror".

It is also remarkably similiar to the conservatives veiw of Muslims. I have heard time and time again that unless your average muslim spends every waking hour publicly condemning terrorism, they are considered to be supporting it by their silence.

I have genuine sympathy for the cause of women striving for equal opportunities, being able to walk the streets safetly and freedom from the stereotypes and double standards of society. But I have no time for the hardcore "us and them" hatred of men. It is the right wing fascist branch of feminism.


It's not exclusive to the far right. The far left do it as well. Ford is far left, not far right. One major difference between the two wings is that the far right are usually honest in who they intolerant of. The left, on the other hand, hide their bigotry behind cute words like "diversity", "tolerance", etc. It seems if they just add a cute slogan on the end it makes their bigotry okay.
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Reply #28 - Feb 22nd, 2014 at 1:33pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 12:45pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 12:03pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 10:23am:
The old racist arguments of the 17th, 18th, and early 19th century revolved around witnessing a few people of a particular race act in a certain way, then extrapolating these acts to the whole race.


Are you seriously trying to suggest that this doesn't still happen today? It is the conservative MO.


Not at all. But "progressive" feminists are supposed to be above stereotyping and generalisations based on race and sex/gender, yet they will use the same argumentation methods to push their agenda.




Yes - their education and outstanding personal people skills etc are supposed to elevate them above the ways of the peons they are seeking to set right in their evil ways.

Just being blunt there. Cool
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Reply #29 - Feb 22nd, 2014 at 7:01pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 10:23am:
Winston Smith wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 12:27pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 8:23pm:
Let's play the game of spot the logical fallacy.

I see appeal to personal experience and guilt by association.

This was just on the first read.

Feel free to add your own.


Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 8:37pm:
There are so many slogans in the article that come straight from a cultural studies or feminist course that it sounds like a parody.

Let us also, then, play the game of spot the feminist slogan (these are slogans that you find only within the discipline of feminism and other like-minded "progressive" groups that have little to no empirical evidence to support them or make no sense beyond the little circle of feminists).

I see: privilege, patriarchy, equality, sexist, positions of power, equal wages, oppression, racist, misogynists, and homophobic.

Feel free to add any you think make the list.


Would you care to be more specific?


Sure.

Appeal to personal experience:

Quote:
If I had a dollar for every time I heard a man tell me that if I want his support to continue, I had better start being nicer to him


Guilt by association:

Quote:
The universal male decency we keep hearing about is largely a myth.


Quote:
cause, Good Men, every time do nothing in response to tired sexist jokes or victim blaming or discussions of ‘provocation’ in regards to gendered assault, you’re actually supporting the system that continues to oppress women.



Personal yarns might be popular amongst the sisterhood and "progressive" bloggers, but if you want to be taken seriously references and evidence need to be used. Notice there's not one reference in the rant? First year undergraduates are taught to aim for objectivity, write and analyse in the third person, remove yourself from the argument, and just present the evidence in the research. Ford does not do this; she is thoroughly immersed in her rant. Imagine a scientist trying to publish results on what he/she was "feeling", rather than observed experiment.

The guilt by association fallacy is the same argument the racists, and ironically the sexists she is against, use. The old racist arguments of the 17th, 18th, and early 19th century revolved around witnessing a few people of a particular race act in a certain way, then extrapolating these acts to the whole race. Ford does the same. She picks out a few crimes or phenomena of men, then claims that all men who do not act out against them are just as bad as they. Of course, though, she wouldn't be aware that she's utilising argumentative strategies that the very people she is against once used. In feminists circles, righteous indignation trumps all. Logic, reason, evidence is secondary to their totalitarianism.

To write objectively means to write with dispassion!

Sure, she can be criticised for being blatantly guilty of not writing with objectivity.. but objectivity is difficult to achieve and to try and say otherwise is disingenious. Summing things up, to not admit that the dispassionate world around us is flawed and needs fixing seems to be your aim!
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