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Re: Clementine Ford - Feminist rant
Reply #30 - Feb 23rd, 2014 at 1:27am
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 9:53am:
Winston Smith wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 1:34am:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 1:10am:
Winston Smith wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 12:46am:
I sense much bitterness with misgonystic, vengeful and racist overtones. It must have been bad, whatever it was. Cry


Got anything to offer other than the same old feminist line of vitriol instead of discussion?

Any disagreement with the feminst line is 'woman-hating', any rejection of their tenets is 'revenge' on the poor dears, and how you derive racist from it is beyond me.  I never mentioned race.

Can't tell the poor dears they're wrong or you are a bad man; can't say they are doing often dreadful things to many without being called nasty to the poor dears; and I'll have a dollar each way on number seven in the ninth at Ascot.

Your response is a perfect example of the puerile and schoolyard antics of 'feminists' worldwide.

I support WOMEN in having a fair go - I do not, and never will, support feminism.  And, excuse me, but I will point out when and where 'feminists' and their like are wrong, as is my right.

Should you ever wish to discuss issues on their merits instead of the usual and out-worn mud-slinging - feel free.

Grin     Grin      Grin      Grin       Grin      Grin      Grin      Grin      Grin      Grin      Grin      Grin      Grin      Grin      Grin      Grin      Grin      Grin      Grin


It isn't your place to tell them that. They will find their own way.


Sorry to step out of line and voice my objection to their latest rant and selfish move, mein Fuhrer!

A laugh a minute!  If they wish to continue to dispute realities such as 'wage gaps' which don't exist, and persist in lies and propaganda to prop up never-ending campaigns over utter bulldust - and they wish to do so on a genuinely equal basis - then they must be prepared, just like everyone else, to deal with the criticisms and disagreement of other.

Sorry 'bout that!  I have zero obligation to accept the approved feminist line and every right to criticise it - and feminists and the likes of you will not silence me.

Deal with it like adults or get off the train.


Abusive rants aren't constructive criticism.
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Re: Clementine Ford - Feminist rant
Reply #31 - Feb 23rd, 2014 at 1:29am
 
Trouble is that it is further flawed and indeed ripped to shreds by the likes of our Clementine here....

Not one iota of seeking an answer - just slinging garbage at her purported enemies - most of who are astounded, and quite rightly so - at being even considered as such.

The creation of more enemies by attacking the innocent will do nothing to resolve your problems - it will only make them worse by multiplying your self-created enemies.  Make enough enemies and one day one of them will get you.

I think these loud minorities and their pissant issues are long overdue for the scrapheap.
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Re: Clementine Ford - Feminist rant
Reply #32 - Feb 23rd, 2014 at 1:31am
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 9:55am:
Winston Smith wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 1:36am:
When people are frightened, they see monsters all around.


Now you are beginning to fairly and squarely place your 'feminists' in the context of their never-ending disputation of life etc - these and their running dogs are surrounded by monsters in their own minds - perhaps from this point you may be able to guide them gently into the lines of reason and away from their current emotive and false ideology.


They're not my monsters.
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Re: Clementine Ford - Feminist rant
Reply #33 - Feb 23rd, 2014 at 2:02am
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 10:23am:
Winston Smith wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 12:27pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 8:23pm:
Let's play the game of spot the logical fallacy.

I see appeal to personal experience and guilt by association.

This was just on the first read.

Feel free to add your own.


Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 8:37pm:
There are so many slogans in the article that come straight from a cultural studies or feminist course that it sounds like a parody.

Let us also, then, play the game of spot the feminist slogan (these are slogans that you find only within the discipline of feminism and other like-minded "progressive" groups that have little to no empirical evidence to support them or make no sense beyond the little circle of feminists).

I see: privilege, patriarchy, equality, sexist, positions of power, equal wages, oppression, racist, misogynists, and homophobic.

Feel free to add any you think make the list.


Would you care to be more specific?


Sure.

Appeal to personal experience:

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If I had a dollar for every time I heard a man tell me that if I want his support to continue, I had better start being nicer to him


Guilt by association:

Quote:
The universal male decency we keep hearing about is largely a myth.


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cause, Good Men, every time do nothing in response to tired sexist jokes or victim blaming or discussions of ‘provocation’ in regards to gendered assault, you’re actually supporting the system that continues to oppress women.



Personal yarns might be popular amongst the sisterhood and "progressive" bloggers, but if you want to be taken seriously references and evidence need to be used. Notice there's not one reference in the rant? First year undergraduates are taught to aim for objectivity, write and analyse in the third person, remove yourself from the argument, and just present the evidence in the research. Ford does not do this; she is thoroughly immersed in her rant. Imagine a scientist trying to publish results on what he/she was "feeling", rather than observed experiment.

The guilt by association fallacy is the same argument the racists, and ironically the sexists she is against, use. The old racist arguments of the 17th, 18th, and early 19th century revolved around witnessing a few people of a particular race act in a certain way, then extrapolating these acts to the whole race. Ford does the same. She picks out a few crimes or phenomena of men, then claims that all men who do not act out against them are just as bad as they. Of course, though, she wouldn't be aware that she's utilising argumentative strategies that the very people she is against once used. In feminists circles, righteous indignation trumps all. Logic, reason, evidence is secondary to their totalitarianism.


Thank you for elaborating.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 8:37pm:
There are so many slogans in the article that come straight from a cultural studies or feminist course that it sounds like a parody.

Let us also, then, play the game of spot the feminist slogan (these are slogans that you find only within the discipline of feminism and other like-minded "progressive" groups that have little to no empirical evidence to support them or make no sense beyond the little circle of feminists).

I see: privilege, patriarchy, equality, sexist, positions of power, equal wages, oppression, racist, misogynists, and homophobic.

Feel free to add any you think make the list.


Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 11:54am:
I think you're right aqua in that the seeds of radical feminism starts with failed relationships. Feminist rants are merely revenge and attempts at compensation for not getting their ideal man, or even a half decent man (which is probably more a reflection of them than the men they were after). All the post-structuralist theory and self-righteousness is only added on later. 


Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 12:10pm:
Of all the "progressive" groups out there (anarchists, socialists, gay lobby, boat people lovers, civil libertarians etc. etc.) the feminists are by far the worst. I am yet to actually debate a feminist in a reasoned argument. Any criticism or scrutiny of their position is automatically interpreted as sexism or misogyny. And the instant retort is one of highly emotive abuse. At least the anarchists, socialists etc. that I've encountered and read will try to defend their position through a reasoned argument of some description, (although after about 3 or 4 exchanges the abuse will start). How the feminists have infiltrated the academe (a place supposedly of critical thinking) and managed to sustain their place is beyond me.

Removing them from the academe and public bureaucracies can only be done by withdrawing their funding.


Are you suggesting are no legitimate concerns or grievances being raised by the individuals that belong to 'progressive' groups?
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Re: Clementine Ford - Feminist rant
Reply #34 - Feb 23rd, 2014 at 2:04am
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 1:29am:
Trouble is that it is further flawed and indeed ripped to shreds by the likes of our Clementine here....

Not one iota of seeking an answer - just slinging garbage at her purported enemies - most of who are astounded, and quite rightly so - at being even considered as such.

The creation of more enemies by attacking the innocent will do nothing to resolve your problems - it will only make them worse by multiplying your self-created enemies.  Make enough enemies and one day one of them will get you.

I think these loud minorities and their pissant issues are long overdue for the scrapheap.


I see it as a cry for help.
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