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ImSpartacus2

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Re: Do you view China has capitalist or socialist?
Reply #15 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 1:01pm

Frances wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 12:56pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 12:51pm:

Taipan wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 12:30pm:

China was and to some extent still is a communist country.

Just because the media has stopped using the term "communist china" doesn't mean china isn't communist.

And lets not forget that for china to be a fully fledged communist country it killed approximately 60 million of its own people just because those 60 million did not agree with becoming communist.

Furthermore, both capitalism and communism are part of a Hegelian dialect where the Thesis is capitalism, the anti-Thesis is communism and the Synthesis is Corporate Feudalism; this is where corporations act in unison to run the entire world.

China is in fact becoming a Corporate Feudalist state.

Was it the communist manifesto you got that from or a Spiderman comic

It was probably from one of Marx's Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts of 1844.

Thanks Frances and I assume you can direct me to the passage that speaks of the "Corporate Feudalism" being the Synthesis we are all heading for.

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Frances Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3577 In a Castle in the Hills Gender:	Re: Do you view China has capitalist or socialist? Reply #16 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 1:10pm ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 1:01pm: Thanks Frances and I assume you can direct me to the passage that speaks of the "Corporate Feudalism" being the Synthesis we are all heading for. Sorry - I don't have the time to look for it now - I have to go out and do some shopping....
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Reply #17 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 1:27pm

Frances wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 1:10pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 1:01pm:

Thanks Frances and I assume you can direct me to the passage that speaks of the "Corporate Feudalism" being the Synthesis we are all heading for.

Sorry - I don't have the time to look for it now - I have to go out and do some shopping....

Ohhh, is that the time!!! Yeah me too, gotta run. I'm desperate to pick up some paper clips before they close.

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Re: Do you view China has capitalist or socialist?
Reply #18 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 2:09pm

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 1:27pm:

Frances wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 1:10pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 1:01pm:

Thanks Frances and I assume you can direct me to the passage that speaks of the "Corporate Feudalism" being the Synthesis we are all heading for.

Sorry - I don't have the time to look for it now - I have to go out and do some shopping....

Ohhh, is that the time!!! Yeah me too, gotta run. I'm desperate to pick up some paper clips before they close.

I have to get something to make tonight's dinner with - there's not very much in the fridge.....

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Reply #19 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 12:33pm

Taipan wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 12:30pm:

China was and to some extent still is a communist country.

Just because the media has stopped using the term "communist china" doesn't mean china isn't communist.

And lets not forget that for china to be a fully fledged communist country it killed approximately 60 million of its own people just because those 60 million did not agree with becoming communist.

Furthermore, both capitalism and communism are part of a Hegelian dialect where the Thesis is capitalism, the anti-Thesis is communism and the Synthesis is Corporate Feudalism; this is where corporations act in unison to run the entire world.

China is in fact becoming a Corporate Feudalist state.

And what is the antithesis of Corporate Feudalism, Georg Wilhelm Friedrich?

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Reply #20 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 1:34pm

Swagman wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 7:55am:

The Chinks are commies which is just a form of socialism

This post just demonstrates Swag's amusing ignorance.

Socialism and Communism are not the same. They are as similar as a duck and a giraffe.

I am amazed someone who claims to know about politics doesn't understand the difference. But then, it's Swag. Need I say more?

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Reply #21 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 1:37pm

Frances wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 8:21am:

Pantheon wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 2:00am:

Do you view China has capitalist or socialist?

Personally: I see China more State Capitalist than socialism.

I would think that it would depend on what level of Chinese society you are looking at, as it has elements of both. For the ordinary employed worker, it would just be another Communist dictatorship (I would hesitate to use the word "Socialist", as it is not really the same thing). For people who run small family businesses, it would probably be the worst of both worlds. For those who are wealthy and have their own businesses, it would be (very) Capitalist. For those in government, it would be a difficult balancing act: trying to appear to the masses to be Socialist while at the same time acting like a distorted sort of Capitalist.

Hooray!

At least someone understands socialism and Communism are not the same thing!

A chocolate fish for Frances.

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Reply #22 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 2:57pm

It's a rapidly developing market economy with a significant middle class.

As a consequence, political freedom will probably increase. Politically, it could be defined as an oligarchy right now, but watch this space. People are speaking about politics more openly. Right now, the Peoples' Congress is just a front.

It's going to be difficult for the politburo to reliquish its vice-like grip on the country, but ultimately it probably has to in order to survive.

It will be interesting to see what happens to the global economy when this inevitably happens.

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Reply #23 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 3:42pm

muso wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 2:57pm:

It's a rapidly developing market economy with a significant middle class.

As a consequence, political freedom will probably increase. Politically, it could be defined as an oligarchy right now, but watch this space. People are speaking about politics more openly. Right now, the Peoples' Congress is just a front.

It's going to be difficult for the politburo to reliquish its vice-like grip on the country, but ultimately it probably has to in order to survive.

It will be interesting to see what happens to the global economy when this inevitably happens.

China is an empire, not a federal state freely joined.
It would fall apart like Yugoslavia or the Soviet Union if freedom took hold.

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Reply #25 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 12:24pm

Communism, according to Marx, was the last stage of societal development. Socialism was the one just before it. Socialism is where the workers and the state control all finance and means of production. Communism where where national borders would disappear and people would work 'according their ability and according to their needs'. It is a Romantic view of life where people can engage in whatever hobbies they pleased. Supposedly, one could fish in the morning, read at lunch time, and make crafts in the afternoon.

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Reply #26 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 1:12pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 12:24pm:

Communism, according to Marx, was the last stage of societal development. Socialism was the one just before it. Socialism is where the workers and the state control all finance and means of production. Communism where where national borders would disappear and people would work 'according their ability and according to their needs'. It is a Romantic view of life where people can engage in whatever hobbies they pleased. Supposedly, one could fish in the morning, read at lunch time, and make crafts in the afternoon.

And then curfew until morning.

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Reply #27 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 9:10pm

Soren wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 3:42pm:

muso wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 2:57pm:

It's a rapidly developing market economy with a significant middle class.

As a consequence, political freedom will probably increase. Politically, it could be defined as an oligarchy right now, but watch this space. People are speaking about politics more openly. Right now, the Peoples' Congress is just a front.

It's going to be difficult for the politburo to reliquish its vice-like grip on the country, but ultimately it probably has to in order to survive.

It will be interesting to see what happens to the global economy when this inevitably happens.

China is an empire, not a federal state freely joined.
It would fall apart like Yugoslavia or the Soviet Union if freedom took hold.

Well most of China is quite homogenous. China is mostly Han Chinese - around 92%. There are small bits (in terms of population that could possibly break away - Tibet is one, and possibly parts of Xinjiang. The Mongolian Chinese (Inner Mongolia) are unlikely to cede, basically because they already have a great dea of autonomy, and too much to lose if they become part of Mongolia.

The reason that I think they are unlikely to break away is that these places have largely been settled by Han Chinese, In some cases, the regions are so thinly populated that they couldn't put up much resistance.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59129 Here Gender:	Re: Do you view China has capitalist or socialist? Reply #28 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 9:31pm Do you view China has capitalist or socialist? I consider China as China - don't need a secondary label.
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State Capitalism 8 (72.7%) Socialism 3 (27.3%) Total votes: 11 « Created by: Pantheon on: Feb 20^th, 2014 at 2:00am »