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Do you view China has capitalist or socialist?
Feb 20^th, 2014 at 2:00am

Do you view China has capitalist or socialist?

Personally: I see China more State Capitalist than socialism.

Deng Xiaoping introduce capitalist aspects to the socialist state.

"Controls on private businesses and government intervention continued to decrease, and there was small-scale privatization of state enterprises. A notable development was the decentralization of state control, leaving local provincial leaders to experiment with ways to increase economic growth and privatize the state sector."

Following these reforms China saw an unprecedented growth which was not seen during the Mao years of socialism.

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Reply #1 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 6:21am

China is complicated, never black and white.

It is becoming more and more Capitalist by the day hour as they vie for number one spot in the world economy.

China's social security program is improving along with their prosperity.

Interestingly, a much fairer retirement age than our lucky country.

retirement ages for men (currently at 60) and women (currently at 55 for white-collar females and as low as 50 for factory workers).

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Reply #2 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 6:52am

stevieboy wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 6:21am:

China is complicated, never black and white.

It is becoming more and more Capitalist by the day hour as they vie for number one spot in the world economy.

China's social security program is improving along with their prosperity.

Interestingly, a much fairer retirement age than our lucky country.

retirement ages for men (currently at 60) and women (currently at 55 for white-collar females and as low as 50 for factory workers).

France and a few other eurpopean countries are dropping back to 60 years for retirement age as well. Great stuff. And it will do wonders for unemployment

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aquascoot Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 34987 Gender:	Re: Do you view China has capitalist or socialist? Reply #3 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 7:37am Capitalist go to beinjing and check out the bmw's and mercedes. millions of them
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Reply #4 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 7:39am

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 6:52am:

stevieboy wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 6:21am:

China is complicated, never black and white.

It is becoming more and more Capitalist by the day hour as they vie for number one spot in the world economy.

China's social security program is improving along with their prosperity.

Interestingly, a much fairer retirement age than our lucky country.

retirement ages for men (currently at 60) and women (currently at 55 for white-collar females and as low as 50 for factory workers).

France and a few other eurpopean countries are dropping back to 60 years for retirement age as well. Great stuff. And it will do wonders for unemployment

They really have no choice if youth are to ever have a chance at work/productive life. Idle youth should be a major worry for any country.

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Do you view China has capitalist or socialist? Reply #5 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 7:55am The Chinks are commies which is just a form of socialism
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ImSpartacus2 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6913	Re: Do you view China has capitalist or socialist? Reply #6 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 8:06am Swagman wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 7:55am: The Chinks are commies which is just a form of socialism Swag thinks they qualify as commies cause of their skin colour and eyes
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Reply #7 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 8:21am

Pantheon wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 2:00am:

Do you view China has capitalist or socialist?

Personally: I see China more State Capitalist than socialism.

I would think that it would depend on what level of Chinese society you are looking at, as it has elements of both. For the ordinary employed worker, it would just be another Communist dictatorship (I would hesitate to use the word "Socialist", as it is not really the same thing). For people who run small family businesses, it would probably be the worst of both worlds. For those who are wealthy and have their own businesses, it would be (very) Capitalist. For those in government, it would be a difficult balancing act: trying to appear to the masses to be Socialist while at the same time acting like a distorted sort of Capitalist.

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viewpoint Gold Member Offline A joke is a very serious thing. [Winston] Posts: 2209 Gender:	Re: Do you view China has capitalist or socialist? Reply #8 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 9:05am Communist.
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Do you view China has capitalist or socialist? Reply #9 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 9:06am Insidious
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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Do you view China has capitalist or socialist? Reply #10 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 12:18pm ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 8:06am: Swagman wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 7:55am: The Chinks are commies which is just a form of socialism Swag thinks they qualify as commies cause of their skin colour and eyes What gives you that idea?
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Reply #11 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 12:29pm

Swagman wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 12:18pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 8:06am:

Swagman wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 7:55am:

The Chinks are commies which is just a form of socialism

Swag thinks they qualify as commies cause of their skin colour and eyes

What gives you that idea?

I'm not sure. Maybe it was something you said

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Reply #12 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 12:30pm

China was and to some extent still is a communist country.

Just because the media has stopped using the term "communist china" doesn't mean china isn't communist.

And lets not forget that for china to be a fully fledged communist country it killed approximately 60 million of its own people just because those 60 million did not agree with becoming communist.

Furthermore, both capitalism and communism are part of a Hegelian dialect where the Thesis is capitalism, the anti-Thesis is communism and the Synthesis is Corporate Feudalism; this is where corporations act in unison to run the entire world.

China is in fact becoming a Corporate Feudalist state.

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Reply #13 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 12:51pm

Taipan wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 12:30pm:

China was and to some extent still is a communist country.

Just because the media has stopped using the term "communist china" doesn't mean china isn't communist.

And lets not forget that for china to be a fully fledged communist country it killed approximately 60 million of its own people just because those 60 million did not agree with becoming communist.

Furthermore, both capitalism and communism are part of a Hegelian dialect where the Thesis is capitalism, the anti-Thesis is communism and the Synthesis is Corporate Feudalism; this is where corporations act in unison to run the entire world.

China is in fact becoming a Corporate Feudalist state.

Was it the communist manifesto you got that from or a Spiderman comic

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Reply #14 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 12:56pm

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 12:51pm:

Taipan wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 12:30pm:

China was and to some extent still is a communist country.

Just because the media has stopped using the term "communist china" doesn't mean china isn't communist.

And lets not forget that for china to be a fully fledged communist country it killed approximately 60 million of its own people just because those 60 million did not agree with becoming communist.

Furthermore, both capitalism and communism are part of a Hegelian dialect where the Thesis is capitalism, the anti-Thesis is communism and the Synthesis is Corporate Feudalism; this is where corporations act in unison to run the entire world.

China is in fact becoming a Corporate Feudalist state.

Was it the communist manifesto you got that from or a Spiderman comic

It was probably from one of Marx's Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts of 1844.

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Question: Do you view China has capitalist or socialist?
State Capitalism 8 (72.7%) Socialism 3 (27.3%) Total votes: 11 « Created by: Pantheon on: Feb 20^th, 2014 at 2:00am »