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Re: Medicare: It didn't that long
Reply #105 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 7:09pm

Can someone please answer me this? If someone smokes their entire life, why should it be up to the taxpayer to fund their operation? Why should taxpayers have to also fund those who go to see doctors for the most stupid and trivial of reasons?

Seeing a psychologist, audiologist or speech pathologist isn't free. Why should seeing a doctor be?

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38847 Gender:	Re: Medicare: It didn't that long Reply #106 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 7:15pm Me.... I'd target: 1. Over servicing of 'Gold Card,' holders, and everyone of them would be a witness. 2. Abusing the 'bulk billing' thing. And what is the common factor? Huh?
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Reply #107 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 7:25pm

The health costs sure are growing.

The co-payment is not really a bad idea. Never designed to generate much revenue but a good way to stop over-servicing.

Bring the AMA and the College of Surgeons to heel. They've used their collective clout to squeeze the market for years with impunity.

Clobber the insurance companies. Specialist fees for public liability are outrageous with very few successful litigations. For some reason nobody seems to point the finger this way. Because its mandatory they can get away with gouging for years without a whimper from anybody.

Not everything but a good start for a minister with the balls to take them on.

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Re: Medicare: It didn't that long
Reply #108 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 7:30pm

Pantheon wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 4:13pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 3:14pm:

Increase the Medicare levy to the level needed to fund health properly.

Rising taxs or levys are never the answer to an financial problem, because your curing the symptom and not the actually cause of the problem.

Rubbish. Lowering taxes caused the budget shortfall, therefore increasing taxes fixes it. You have to be a rightard to fail to grasp this very simple concept.

The stupid right-wing ratcheting of taxes is insane, lower taxes then the reduced revenue causes budget problems, then use the budget problems as an excuse to take the chainsaw to budget measures the rightards don't like.

Costello and Swan both made the mistake of using temporary taxation revenue from mining to fund permanent changes to the taxation system and increased expenditure. The mining revenue isn't there. Remove the measures the mining revenue funded and it would go a long way to closing the deficit.

The budget haemorrhages revenue with all sorts of unwarranted tax concessions. Negative gearing, concessional taxation on capital gains, FBT lurks, etc. Axe these as well and the budget would be in surplus.

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Re: Medicare: It didn't that long
Reply #109 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 7:37pm

matty wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 7:09pm:

Can someone please answer me this? If someone smokes their entire life, why should it be up to the taxpayer to fund their operation?

Because someone who smokes is a taxpayer. Someone who smokes pays 40 cents excise per cigarette. Someone who smokes 25 cigarettes a day for 40 years pays the equivalent of over $140,000 in excise over their lifetime. That's not counting the other taxes they pay on the tobacco, and the other taxes they pay in general.

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Re: Medicare: It didn't that long
Reply #110 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 7:39pm

Bam wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 7:37pm:

matty wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 7:09pm:

Can someone please answer me this? If someone smokes their entire life, why should it be up to the taxpayer to fund their operation?

Because someone who smokes is a taxpayer. Someone who smokes pays 40 cents excise per cigarette. Someone who smokes 25 cigarettes a day for 40 years pays the equivalent of over $140,000 in excise over their lifetime. That's not counting the other taxes they pay on the tobacco, and the other taxes they pay in general.

But that is their choice to smoke. Nobody made them. It is a very risky, stupid, illogical and senseless thing to do, you are choosing to make yourself unhealthy.

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Re: Medicare: It didn't that long
Reply #111 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 7:51pm

matty wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 7:39pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 7:37pm:

matty wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 7:09pm:

Can someone please answer me this? If someone smokes their entire life, why should it be up to the taxpayer to fund their operation?

Because someone who smokes is a taxpayer. Someone who smokes pays 40 cents excise per cigarette. Someone who smokes 25 cigarettes a day for 40 years pays the equivalent of over $140,000 in excise over their lifetime. That's not counting the other taxes they pay on the tobacco, and the other taxes they pay in general.

But that is their choice to smoke. Nobody made them. It is a very risky, stupid, illogical and senseless thing to do, you are choosing to make yourself unhealthy.

I agree, if they choose to smoke that is their problem. I was pointing out though that smokers do pay their way. If I had my way I would increase the excise on tobacco.

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Reply #112 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 10:02pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 6:53pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 4:23pm:

Letting the filthy rich use super to reduce tax costs the Budget $50Bn in the coming financial year. Negative gearing which is pricing houses out of the reach of first home buyers costs nearly as much.

This is part of the problem on this site.
Sensationalism and a lack of understanding of reality.

That above is what my parents have done for well over a decade to fund their retirement which they are now enjoying.
They are not filthy rich at all. Just a normal everyday middle class family - hardly Kerry Packer.

Also any incentives I have ever used or family have are open to every Australian.

Rather than moan and complain how unfair everything is, people should do the same!

You’re the only accountant I know who can turn every macroeconomic discussion into a monologue about how great he is.

Show us a photo of your passport again, son. I reckon you’re a Yank.

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Re: Medicare: It didn't that long
Reply #113 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 10:05pm

matty wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 11:53am:

Karnal wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 12:19am:

matty wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 3:07pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 1:58pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 11:25am:

matty wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 9:45am:

No $6 fee, at least yet. What a shame, neither party has the guts to scrap or at least reduce Medicare.

I think before we start charging $6 to visit the doctor we need to recoup all that tax $$$$ the tax payer paid so that Matty could go to a private school instead of going to a public school like most everybody else. Why are we starving medicare of funds to pay for this slime bag's elitist education so that he comes out of it thinking he's more entitled then everyone else. I mean whats he done except hang off daddy's coat sleeves. Didn't Hockey tell us that these people with their entitled attitudes need to be booted out of the country.

Total BS. If Matty went to a private school, he cost the taxpayer less than if he went to a public school. His parents should get a rebate nice person

Exactly, aqua, thank you, but no point in trying to tell a far-left Green voter that.

The comments on this thread indicate that it should be up to the rich and middle classes to pay for those who don't look after themselves. Why health care should be as free as it is in this country is completely beyond me. The left think that they're entitled to do whatever they want, and the rich/middle classes should pay for it.

Who pays for your education, Matty?

My parents.

You don’t get HECS? Who doesn’t get HECS?

Ah. Foreign students. Of course.

You’re from Dunedin, Matty.

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Re: Medicare: It didn't that long
Reply #114 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 10:27pm

I am talking about using super to reduce tax, not to save for retirement. some of these parasites then arrange their affairs so when they retire they can go on full or part pension.

This super scam is only available if you can salary sacrifice $100K 2-3 years in a row, NOT available to most. It is costing the Budget $50Bn and we have a Budget emergency, apparently.

Nearly as costly—negative gearing.

It is an emergency son—no time for niceties even when they involve billionaires!

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Reply #115 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 2:45am

Bam wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 7:30pm:

Pantheon wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 4:13pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 3:14pm:

Increase the Medicare levy to the level needed to fund health properly.

Rising taxs or levys are never the answer to an financial problem, because your curing the symptom and not the actually cause of the problem.

Rubbish. Lowering taxes caused the budget shortfall, therefore increasing taxes fixes it. You have to be a rightard to fail to grasp this very simple concept.

The stupid right-wing ratcheting of taxes is insane, lower taxes then the reduced revenue causes budget problems, then use the budget problems as an excuse to take the chainsaw to budget measures the rightards don't like.

Costello and Swan both made the mistake of using temporary taxation revenue from mining to fund permanent changes to the taxation system and increased expenditure. The mining revenue isn't there. Remove the measures the mining revenue funded and it would go a long way to closing the deficit.

The budget haemorrhages revenue with all sorts of unwarranted tax concessions. Negative gearing, concessional taxation on capital gains, FBT lurks, etc. Axe these as well and the budget would be in surplus.

Once again your fixing the symptom and not the actually cause of the problem. All your doing by rising taxes is reducing the peoples spendable income to pay for unsustainable system that will require another tax rise in another few years, and by reduced spendable income year after year, you harm the economy.

The people want lest taxes so we can spend more.. we don't want to be taxed more so we can spend less.

Now yes, Lowering taxes caused the budget shortfall. So what do you do? you make the sustainable so it wont require you rising taxes every few years, taking peoples hard earn money reducing their spendable income overall.

Now how do you make the system sustainable? that's for Labor and Liberals to stuff up on, and for the egg heads at universities to education us with real answers.

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Re: Medicare: It didn't that long
Reply #116 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 5:23am

matty wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 7:09pm:

Can someone please answer me this? If someone smokes their entire life, why should it be up to the taxpayer to fund their operation? Why should taxpayers have to also fund those who go to see doctors for the most stupid and trivial of reasons?

Seeing a psychologist, audiologist or speech pathologist isn't free. Why should seeing a doctor be?

Smoking doesnt cause whatever you are talking about. Certainly doesnt cause a broken leg or blindness (despite the murdoch media). You are just trying to find a way to target a group of ppl.

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