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Re: Medicare: It didn't that long
Reply #90 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 9:01am

Pantheon wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 2:12am:

The Current Medicare system is unsustainable.

And making the Rich as well as the middle class to pay more for their healthcare is a good idea.

I also agree that the private health sector has a key role to play in making the system more sustainable.

However it is important to allow the homeless and those who don't have a job nor receive welfare payments continue to receive free healthcare.

medicare should be increased and we should stop subsidising private health and put that money to public health.,

alternatively, bring in a system where if you earn over a predetermined amount, you pay.

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Reply #91 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 11:53am

Karnal wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 12:19am:

matty wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 3:07pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 1:58pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 11:25am:

matty wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 9:45am:

No $6 fee, at least yet. What a shame, neither party has the guts to scrap or at least reduce Medicare.

I think before we start charging $6 to visit the doctor we need to recoup all that tax $$$$ the tax payer paid so that Matty could go to a private school instead of going to a public school like most everybody else. Why are we starving medicare of funds to pay for this slime bag's elitist education so that he comes out of it thinking he's more entitled then everyone else. I mean whats he done except hang off daddy's coat sleeves. Didn't Hockey tell us that these people with their entitled attitudes need to be booted out of the country.

Total BS. If Matty went to a private school, he cost the taxpayer less than if he went to a public school. His parents should get a rebate nice person

Exactly, aqua, thank you, but no point in trying to tell a far-left Green voter that.

The comments on this thread indicate that it should be up to the rich and middle classes to pay for those who don't look after themselves. Why health care should be as free as it is in this country is completely beyond me. The left think that they're entitled to do whatever they want, and the rich/middle classes should pay for it.

Who pays for your education, Matty?

My parents.

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Re: Medicare: It didn't that long
Reply #92 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 1:34pm

Australia 'running out of money' for Medicare, says Treasurer Joe Hockey
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australia-running-out-of-money-for-medicare-says-treasurer-joe-hockey-20140221-335j0.html

Bam wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 8:55am:

Increase the Medicare levy to the level needed to fund health properly. Stop starving the public system of funds. Raise the funds that it needs.

What would your solution to the problem be?

Bam wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 8:55am:

ot true. The private health insurance industry makes the system less sustainable, not more. They keep jacking up their fees at rates far in excess of inflation every year. With the 30% rebate, we all pay for that largesse whether we have private insurance or not. The cost of this rebate has blown out to 5 billion dollars a year while saving the general health budget only 2 billion dollars. Do you want sustainability in the health system? Make the private health insurance sector subject to the full force of the market rather than sheltering it so they become fat and bloated off the blood of taxpayers. Axe the rebate, and axe the Medicare surcharge for high-income earners. Net savings - about 3 billion dollars. It may not even be necessary to increase the Medicare levy if this is done.

I agree, we should Make the private health insurance sector subject to the full force of the market rather than sheltering it.

Bam wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 8:55am:

Teeth and gums are a part of the body. Add dental to Medicare.

Australia cant afford adding dental to Medicare.

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[b][center]Socialism had been tried on every continent on earth. In light of its results, it's time to question the motives of its advocates.

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Re: Medicare: It didn't that long
Reply #93 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 1:38pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 9:01am:

Pantheon wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 2:12am:

The Current Medicare system is unsustainable.

And making the Rich as well as the middle class to pay more for their healthcare is a good idea.

I also agree that the private health sector has a key role to play in making the system more sustainable.

However it is important to allow the homeless and those who don't have a job nor receive welfare payments continue to receive free healthcare.

medicare should be increased and we should stop subsidising private health and put that money to public health.,

alternatively, bring in a system where if you earn over a predetermined amount, you pay.

Agreed we should stop subsidising private health and put that money to public health. As long as the private health sector is not monopolized and there is lots of competition, the private health sector will become very cheep and adorable.

Its called Universal healthcare for a reason. All citizens, black or white, rich or poor are all equal.

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[b][center]Socialism had been tried on every continent on earth. In light of its results, it's time to question the motives of its advocates.

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Pantheon Gold Member Offline Woke Posts: 1256 Gender:	Re: Medicare: It didn't that long Reply #94 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 1:41pm The Current Medicare system is unsustainable. Medicare is forecast to increase from $65 billion in this year's budget to $75 billion within just three years. Australia cant afford that!! This is what happens with socialist programs, they get out of control and end up bankrupting that state.
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Re: Medicare: It didn't that long
Reply #95 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 1:53pm

Pantheon wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 1:41pm:

The Current Medicare system is unsustainable.

Medicare is forecast to increase from $65 billion in this year's budget to $75 billion within just three years.

Australia cant afford that!! This is what happens with socialist programs, they get out of control and end up bankrupting that state.

If the state runs out of money, we can just kill the rich, and take all theirs, and start again.

On an ethical basis I would wonder if that killing a few hundred obscenely wealthy folk, and redistributing their money across society would not result in a rather massive nett saving of lives?

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Reply #96 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 1:53pm

Pantheon wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 1:34pm:

Australia 'running out of money' for Medicare, says Treasurer Joe Hockey
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australia-running-out-of-money-for-medicare-says-treasurer-joe-hockey-20140221-335j0.html

Bam wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 8:55am:

Increase the Medicare levy to the level needed to fund health properly. Stop starving the public system of funds. Raise the funds that it needs.

What would your solution to the problem be?

Bam wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 8:55am:

ot true. The private health insurance industry makes the system less sustainable, not more. They keep jacking up their fees at rates far in excess of inflation every year. With the 30% rebate, we all pay for that largesse whether we have private insurance or not. The cost of this rebate has blown out to 5 billion dollars a year while saving the general health budget only 2 billion dollars. Do you want sustainability in the health system? Make the private health insurance sector subject to the full force of the market rather than sheltering it so they become fat and bloated off the blood of taxpayers. Axe the rebate, and axe the Medicare surcharge for high-income earners. Net savings - about 3 billion dollars. It may not even be necessary to increase the Medicare levy if this is done.

I agree, we should Make the private health insurance sector subject to the full force of the market rather than sheltering it.

Bam wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 8:55am:

Teeth and gums are a part of the body. Add dental to Medicare.

Australia cant afford adding dental to Medicare.

Try raising the Proper level of Taxes, reducing Tax loopholes & cutting Expenditure in appropriate areas!

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Reply #97 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 3:14pm

Pantheon wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 1:34pm:

Australia 'running out of money' for Medicare, says Treasurer Joe Hockey
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australia-running-out-of-money-for-medicare-says-treasurer-joe-hockey-20140221-335j0.html

Bam wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 8:55am:

Increase the Medicare levy to the level needed to fund health properly. Stop starving the public system of funds. Raise the funds that it needs.

What would your solution to the problem be?

Increase the Medicare levy to the level needed to fund health properly.

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Bam wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 8:55am:

Teeth and gums are a part of the body. Add dental to Medicare.

Australia cant afford adding dental to Medicare.

That argument is a pile of unsupported right-wing rubbish. If Australia cannot afford adding dental to Medicare, how can so many people afford to go to the dentist? Cheesy

It IS affordable, especially when basic dental consultations become free and people no longer need to pay for these in their private health insurance premiums.

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You are not entitled to your opinion. You are only entitled to hold opinions that you can defend through sound, reasoned argument.

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Re: Medicare: It didn't that long
Reply #98 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 4:13pm

mozzaok wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 1:53pm:

If the state runs out of money, we can just kill the rich, and take all theirs, and start again.

On an ethical basis I would wonder if that killing a few hundred obscenely wealthy folk, and redistributing their money across society would not result in a rather massive nett saving of lives?

Killing off all the Rich and taking their wealth and redistributing will what.. pay for Medicare for a week? then we would be back at square one.

Lets not be stupid here..

Killing off the rich is a laughable suggestion.

Remember the state can only tax so much before it runs out of people to tax.

Taxing is never the answer.

Bam wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 3:14pm:

Increase the Medicare levy to the level needed to fund health properly.

Rising taxs or levys are never the answer to an financial problem, because your curing the symptom and not the actually cause of the problem. The system will still be unsustainable and within 5 years, you'll be back at square one.

Bam wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 3:14pm:

That argument is a pile of unsupported right-wing rubbish. If Australia cannot afford adding dental to Medicare, how can so many people afford to go to the dentist? Cheesy It IS affordable, especially when basic dental consultations become free and people no longer need to pay for these in their private health insurance premiums.

When i say Australia i mean the Australian Government, if we increase taxs of cause we could then afford to add dental to Medicare. But the problem is the cost of Medicare is growing faster than the percentage of people using it, and resulting in the system becoming unsustainable.

As i said before

Medicare is forecast to increase from $65 billion in this year's budget to $75 billion within just three years.

Australia cant afford that!! This is what happens with socialist programs, they get out of control and end up bankrupting that state.

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[b][center]Socialism had been tried on every continent on earth. In light of its results, it's time to question the motives of its advocates.

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Reply #99 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 4:23pm

Letting the filthy rich use super to reduce tax costs the Budget $50Bn in the coming financial year. Negative gearing which is pricing houses out of the reach of first home buyers costs nearly as much.

Tax cuts given to the wealthiest 2001–7 were financed by a once in a generation real estate boom—that boom is gone, so should some of those tax cuts!

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59186 Here Gender:	Re: Medicare: It didn't that long Reply #100 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 4:28pm The equation is really fairly simple, if you don't want Medicare attacked don't vote for a Lieberal. People who are stupid tend to get what they deserve.
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Reply #101 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 4:31pm

Pantheon wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 1:41pm:

The Current Medicare system is unsustainable.

Medicare is forecast to increase from $65 billion in this year's budget to $75 billion within just three years.

Australia cant afford that!! This is what happens with socialist programs, they get out of control and end up bankrupting that state.

Charging $40,000 for a treatment which costs $20 to produce is part of the problem.

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Reply #102 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 6:53pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 4:23pm:

Letting the filthy rich use super to reduce tax costs the Budget $50Bn in the coming financial year. Negative gearing which is pricing houses out of the reach of first home buyers costs nearly as much.

This is part of the problem on this site.
Sensationalism and a lack of understanding of reality.

That above is what my parents have done for well over a decade to fund their retirement which they are now enjoying.
They are not filthy rich at all. Just a normal everyday middle class family - hardly Kerry Packer.

Also any incentives I have ever used or family have are open to every Australian.

Rather than moan and complain how unfair everything is, people should do the same!

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Reply #103 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 7:00pm

Dnarever wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 4:28pm:

The equation is really fairly simple, if you don't want Medicare attacked don't vote for a Lieberal.

People who are stupid tend to get what they deserve.

No that's a simpleton view of the world.

Then a typically biased comment from you anyway - 99% of your posts are anti-Liberal something you seem unable to admit.

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Reply #104 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 7:05pm

my tip is that GP services will probably be left alone.
Why?
Because the increase in the rebate has only been 1 % per annum for the last 8 years. this is hardly exponential growth.
The 3 areas likely to be targetted are

1 pathology. blood tests are growing as a cost by about 10 %.
if tests are bulk billed there is really no disincentive to just "test for everything"
a 30 dollar consult with ordering of tests to study iron studies, hepatitis b and hiv status and say menopausal hormones would incur costs to the commonwealth of about $300.

2 radiology.(growing by 9 %) again a plain chest xray costs $30 . a CT scan $250 an MRI $600. the high end tests are overused..often for reasons of fear of medical negligence claims.

3 pharmaceuticals , again growing by 7 %. many people are being moved from older cheaper meds to newer cleaner more expensive meds. as an example, the average veterans affair patient now costs more to the treasury in drug subsidies than the cost of the pension.

By targetting pathology and radiology, the government can be sneaky too. they just cut the rebate by say 10 % and then let the radiology and pathology companies introduce the disincentive co payment (and cop the flak).
thats what i'd do if i was Mr Dutton

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