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Re: Did our Navy do the right thing
Reply #15 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 7:32am

salad in wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 7:30am:

John S wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 6:47am:

So did our navy break international law and if they did who told them to break it.

Good question.

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PART VII

HIGH SEAS

Article95

Immunity of warships on the high seas

Warships on the high seas have complete immunity from the jurisdiction of any State other than the flag State.

http://www.un.org/depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unclos/part7.htm

What say you Wild One?

You've tried that one before. It has zero relevance. All you have to is read it to know that.

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Re: Did our Navy do the right thing
Reply #16 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 7:42am

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 5:22am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 9:59am:

Yes, it must be terrifying for them.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/2745794-3x2-940x627.jpg

Thank goodness they've done all that training.

Like I said this is not a job for the RAAF and the Navy, it is a job for loud mouthed scumbag socialist; I would be more than happy for tax dollars goimng to fund you dickheads to go out and do the job 'properly'.

But as we all know, people like yourself, don't actually do anything except used their acutely honed 20 / 20 hindsight to critisize the efforts of people actually do the sh1t work no one else wants to.

You are one of those loud mouthed idiots, your opinions like your life, are irrelevant and pointless. Angry

Thanks for sharing your opinion...

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Re: Did our Navy do the right thing
Reply #17 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 7:48am

salad in wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 7:30am:

John S wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 6:47am:

So did our navy break international law and if they did who told them to break it.

Good question.

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PART VII

HIGH SEAS

Article95

Immunity of warships on the high seas

Warships on the high seas have complete immunity from the jurisdiction of any State other than the flag State.

http://www.un.org/depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unclos/part7.htm

What say you Wild One?

UNITED NATIONS CONVENTION ON THE LAW OF THE SEA

AGREEMENT RELATING TO THE IMPLEMENTATION OF
PART XI OF THE CONVENTION

http://www.un.org/depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unclos/closindx.htm

SUBSECTION C. RULES APPLICABLE TO WARSHIPS AND OTHER GOVERNMENT SHIPS OPERATED FOR NON-COMMERCIAL PURPOSES

Article 29. Definition of warships
Article 30. Non-compliance by warships with the laws and regulations of the coastal State
Article 31. Responsibility of the flag State for damage caused by a warship or other government ship operated for non-commercial purposes
Article 32. Immunities of warships and other government ships operated for non-commercial purposes

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Re: Did our Navy do the right thing
Reply #18 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 7:49am

in·teg·ri·ty [in-teg-ri-tee] Show IPA

noun

1.

adherence to moral and ethical principles; soundness of moral character; honesty.

2.

the state of being whole, entire, or undiminished: to preserve the integrity of the empire.

3.

a sound, unimpaired, or perfect condition: the integrity of a ship's hull.

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Origin:
1400–50; late Middle English integrite < Latin integritās. See integer, -ity

Synonyms
1. rectitude, probity, virtue. See honor.

Antonyms
1. dishonesty.

Why have I put this up here?

Well it seems to me that this word "integrity" is the key to having the honour and esteem that many claim that our Navy deserves.

Well, part of integrity is about being transparent and being above reproach. Is that our Navy? Hardly, given the history of abuse and assaults on new recruits etc etc.

The service does, at least now days, endeavour to address these situations, but, to be completely blunt, it still has a fair way to go.

Anyone who says that any of our services, forces, representative or even individuals is above being investigated for anything seriously needs a big dose of integrity because you are sadly lacking.

I realise that many will either not understand this or want to rail against it, let me just say, that of itself would speak volumes about your own integrity.

What has been done completely wrong in ALL of this, has been the lack of transparency and these repeated incursions into Indonesian waters, were, as pointed out, an opportunity for increased transparency. That opportunity was thrown on the ground and spat on, either by the Navy or by the Government. Take your pick, but either way, our Navy and our Government presently are not demonstrating having integrity. That is something that can never be taken for granted.

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On the 26th of January you are all invited to celebrate little white penal day...

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Re: Did our Navy do the right thing
Reply #19 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 7:52am

Aussie, sometimes the great unwashed gather outside a police station waiting to abuse some person being accused of rape or murder being taken away from court in a police van. They sing out 'hang the bastard' and 'bring back the death penalty' and if they get close enough they thump the side of the police van. The legal club steps in and condemns such action as typical of rednecks. "Let the law take its course" and "the legal system will handle the matter" are the usual things said by members of the legal club. Those calling for the death penalty will be depicted as a mob of uninformed hysterical goons.

If the Australian Navy has breached the law of the sea I'm sure the legal club will step in with its usual hubris and announce that the "law will deal with the Navy".

Stop behaving like a redneck.

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Re: Did our Navy do the right thing
Reply #20 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 9:21am

salad in wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 7:52am:

Aussie, sometimes the great unwashed gather outside a police station waiting to abuse some person being accused of rape or murder being taken away from court in a police van. They sing out 'hang the bastard' and 'bring back the death penalty' and if they get close enough they thump the side of the police van. The legal club steps in and condemns such action as typical of rednecks. "Let the law take its course" and "the legal system will handle the matter" are the usual things said by members of the legal club. Those calling for the death penalty will be depicted as a mob of uninformed hysterical goons.

If the Australian Navy has breached the law of the sea I'm sure the legal club will step in with its usual hubris and announce that the "law will deal with the Navy".

Stop behaving like a redneck.

Redneck you say! Hmmmm. Further, the UN is investigating.

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Re: Did our Navy do the right thing
Reply #21 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 9:33am

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 1:42pm:

Time to have the whiney b1tch socialist do this job and free the poor bastard navy to do the job they enlisted for.

This is a bullsh1t job and well below the dignity of the navy, time to let these enthusiastic socialist spend time away from freinds and family for weeks on end to deal with these people; and not to necessarily have an 'open door' policy either but to prevent them from killing themselves at sea and secure our borders as the government wants

That would make everyone happy, especially the bleeding heart socialist who would want to this type of work, since they complain bitterly about everone else.

Ahhh except socilaist never actually do anything but complain about everyone else and are generally too lazy or too stupid to be part of the solution. too bad a good oportunity missed

free the poor bastard navy to do the job they enlisted for.

You think that people join the navy to mistreat refugees, to deliberately breach international laws and the sovereignty of our neighbours ??

I would think they are ashamed of the political manner in which they are being used.

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Re: Did our Navy do the right thing
Reply #22 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 9:40am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 4:44am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 9:59am:

Sparky wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 2:07pm:

I'll say this- when our sailors get on these refugee boats and tell these refugees they won't be going to Australia I doubt it's all smiles and thanks. It would be an aggressive and dangerous situation. The people knocking our Navy and thinking it through.

Yes, it must be terrifying for them.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/2745794-3x2-940x627.jpg

Thank goodness they've done all that training.

You really think a six year-old is going to intimidate an adult member of the Navy?

"It would be an aggressive and dangerous situation"

Undecided

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Re: Did our Navy do the right thing
Reply #24 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 9:42am

salad in wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 7:30am:

John S wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 6:47am:

So did our navy break international law and if they did who told them to break it.

Good question.

Quote:

PART VII

HIGH SEAS

Article95

Immunity of warships on the high seas

Warships on the high seas have complete immunity from the jurisdiction of any State other than the flag State.

http://www.un.org/depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unclos/part7.htm

What say you Wild One?

All that means is that the Indonesians have no jurisdiction on our naval ships ...they cannot enforce their local laws on our boats

it does not mean our ships can go into their territory whenever they wish.

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Re: Did our Navy do the right thing
Reply #25 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 9:44am

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 9:59am:

Sparky wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 2:07pm:

I'll say this- when our sailors get on these refugee boats and tell these refugees they won't be going to Australia I doubt it's all smiles and thanks. It would be an aggressive and dangerous situation. The people knocking our Navy and thinking it through.

Yes, it must be terrifying for them.

Thank goodness they've done all that training.

This was the biggest problem - it was solved with knee guards.

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Re: Did our Navy do the right thing
Reply #26 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 9:44am

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 5:22am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 9:59am:

Yes, it must be terrifying for them.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/2745794-3x2-940x627.jpg

Thank goodness they've done all that training.

You are one of those loud mouthed idiots, your opinions like your life, are irrelevant and pointless.

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Re: Did our Navy do the right thing
Reply #27 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 9:49am

Sparky wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 4:31am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 9:59am:

Sparky wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 2:07pm:

I'll say this- when our sailors get on these refugee boats and tell these refugees they won't be going to Australia I doubt it's all smiles and thanks. It would be an aggressive and dangerous situation. The people knocking our Navy and thinking it through.

Yes, it must be terrifying for them.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/2745794-3x2-940x627.jpg

Thank goodness they've done all that training.

Most boats are full of adult males.

Positively terrifying.

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Reply #28 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 9:59am

salad in wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 7:30am:

John S wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 6:47am:

So did our navy break international law and if they did who told them to break it.

Good question.

Quote:

PART VII

HIGH SEAS

Article95

Immunity of warships on the high seas

Warships on the high seas have complete immunity from the jurisdiction of any State other than the flag State.

http://www.un.org/depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unclos/part7.htm

What say you Wild One?

Indonesian territorial waters are not the high seas?

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Re: Did our Navy do the right thing
Reply #29 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 9:59am

Aussie wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 9:21am:

salad in wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 7:52am:

Aussie, sometimes the great unwashed gather outside a police station waiting to abuse some person being accused of rape or murder being taken away from court in a police van. They sing out 'hang the bastard' and 'bring back the death penalty' and if they get close enough they thump the side of the police van. The legal club steps in and condemns such action as typical of rednecks. "Let the law take its course" and "the legal system will handle the matter" are the usual things said by members of the legal club. Those calling for the death penalty will be depicted as a mob of uninformed hysterical goons.

If the Australian Navy has breached the law of the sea I'm sure the legal club will step in with its usual hubris and announce that the "law will deal with the Navy".

Stop behaving like a redneck.

Redneck you say! Hmmmm. Further, the UN is investigating.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr

The UN.

You'd recon there would be enough mindless atrocities, slaughter and oppression going on around the world to keep this bloated, useless pack of wankers busy.

They can start in the countries where the people feel so unsafe they have to leave.

I lament our involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan.....those places will never change.

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