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The Heartless Felon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2869 Gender:	Re: The ALP has destroyed manufacturing in this countr Reply #15 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 9:12am I heard Shorten on the ABC yesterday say that he had a plan to create jobs. Unfortunately, I didn't hear what that plan was: I was laughing too much...
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Reply #16 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 9:14am

The Heartless Felon wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 9:12am:

I heard Shorten on the ABC yesterday say that he had a plan to create jobs. Unfortunately, I didn't hear what that plan was: I was laughing too much...

I can understand that .... pretty much the same thing happened when I first heard Abbott was going to create 1 000 000 jobs. Grin

hillarious

although, thinking back on it now, maybe I misheard him at the time, maybe he said he was going to remove 1 000 000 jobs

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #17 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 11:32am

Rubin wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 6:48am:

Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 3:35am:

The ALP has destroyed manufacturing in this country

Mr Shorten says 1,000 manufacturing jobs have been lost every month since Mr Abbott has been in power. There is no official data to support this claim, as figures for most of the period have not been published. In any case, many of the workers Mr Shorten is referring to will not officially leave their jobs for at least another year.

Yet under the ALP's watch manufacturing jobs were being lost at the rate of 1800 per month Shocked

Just have a look at this graph, says it all, the ALP has destroyed manufacturing in this country.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/linkableblob/5264452/data/manufacturing-chart-provide...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-19/bill-shorten-cherrypicking-manufacturing-j...

I notice you didn't produce the video that you referenced and you clearly don't understand the graph you posted. However I can understand how feeble minded people could be convinced that one government is far better than the others by reading that graph in isolation. If you apply reality to that graph labor comes out on top marginally. This is reflected by the
the constant switching in government in Australia. All that a side still one job every 3 minutes under the new government so a further dip. You presented nothing to contradict this statement..
You constant aggressive and abusive tones suggests that you have probably been shot in the head with a ball of your own poo.

I'd have to agree that the chart is virtually meaningless without other data. It appears that the OP either doesn't understand the chart or is deliberately relying on others not understanding in an attempt to pull a fast one over them.

To the casual eye it looks disastrous. However, when the chart is compared to the actual quantity of manufactured outputs it becomes a little clearer.

What is revealing is that manufactured outputs have mostly flatlined for over a decade. The result of poor productivity growth for this period. There is a slight upswing just before 2008 with employment tracking the same. Since the two lines do not diverge, productivity has not improved at this time. Along comes a global meltdown and both decline. This is were it gets more interesting. Post about mid 2009 you will see that manufactured output, both domestically and exports have increased while employment decreased. This can only be explained by a small turnaround in productivity. Don't get excited, it is very meagre, only about 4% over 5 years. Way below the inflation rate and simply not good enough.

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Reply #18 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 12:33pm

The Heartless Felon wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 9:12am:

I heard Shorten on the ABC yesterday say that he had a plan to create jobs. Unfortunately, I didn't hear what that plan was: I was laughing too much...

I see there has been a break in at Wayne Swan's office. Didn't Mr Swan promise to create 500,000 new jobs? Mr Shorterm must be questioned about how he came by his job creation plan.

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Innocent bystander Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4220 Gender:	Re: The ALP has destroyed manufacturing in this countr Reply #19 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 5:23pm The ALP's policies created lots of new jobs ... unfortunately they were all in China.
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Reply #20 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 9:10pm

The Heartless Felon wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 9:12am:

I heard Shorten on the ABC yesterday say that he had a plan to create jobs. Unfortunately, I didn't hear what that plan was: I was laughing too much...

Isn't that just typical rightard "thinking".

Maybe the plan was interesting and useful, maybe not.

But at least it deserved to be heard rather than drowned by cachinnatory cackling.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58855 Here Gender:	Re: The ALP has destroyed manufacturing in this countr Reply #21 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 9:15pm The ALP has destroyed manufacturing in this countr When you can't defend the poor Lieberal performance go on the attack with more unsupported rubbish blaming Labor for the coalitions failures.
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58855 Here Gender:	Re: The ALP has destroyed manufacturing in this countr Reply #22 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 9:36pm The ALP has destroyed manufacturing in this countr Ever since the Lieberals took charge and implemented their policy of not assisting manufacturing the businesses in that category have been tripping over each other in the rush to get out.
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Armchair_Politician Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26104 Gender:	Re: The ALP has destroyed manufacturing in this countr Reply #23 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 5:58am The Heartless Felon wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 9:12am: I heard Shorten on the ABC yesterday say that he had a plan to create jobs. Unfortunately, I didn't hear what that plan was: I was laughing too much... Shorten says a lot of stuff that isn't worth listening to, but this is a real gem!!!
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Reply #24 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 6:00am

Dnarever wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 9:36pm:

The ALP has destroyed manufacturing in this countr

Ever since the Lieberals took charge and implemented their policy of not assisting manufacturing the businesses in that category have been tripping over each other in the rush to get out.

Yeah, businesses are going to make a decision in a couple of months to close. These sorts of decisions are made over many months, if not years. Labor's carbon tax and disastrous changes to IR laws made operating in Australia a prohibitively expensive proposition for many large and small businesses.

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Reply #25 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 6:18am

John Smith wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 9:08am:

Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 3:35am:

Yet under the ALP's watch manufacturing jobs were being lost at the rate of 1800 per month

True Blue... wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 6:12am:

then after that, the big crash came along with the Labor/Green Carbon Tax...

Funny how it all coincides with the Global Financial Crisis
, you nice people

There was no GFC.... it was largely a Northern hemisphere crisis...
I note the majority of companies cutting back closing down moving offshore are US based companies, or those with a large exposure to the US, and we all know the US is still in strife.
Alcoa, Ford, Holden, IBM...

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Reply #26 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 6:24am

Grendel wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 6:18am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 9:08am:

Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 3:35am:

Yet under the ALP's watch manufacturing jobs were being lost at the rate of 1800 per month

True Blue... wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 6:12am:

then after that, the big crash came along with the Labor/Green Carbon Tax...

Funny how it all coincides with the Global Financial Crisis
, you nice people

There was no GFC.... it was largely a Northern hemisphere crisis...
I note the majority of companies cutting back closing down moving offshore are US based companies, or those with a large exposure to the US, and we all know the US is still in strife.
Alcoa, Ford, Holden, IBM...

Exactly, due to checks and balances put in place by none other than Peter Costello, our banks and financial institutions were largely immune from the financial crisis that plagued the US and Europe.

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Pantheon Gold Member Offline Woke Posts: 1256 Gender:	Re: The ALP has destroyed manufacturing in this countr Reply #27 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 6:29am Reality is, both parties killed the manufacturing sector, Labor Shot it in the chest and the liberals are now chopping off body parts off.... What we need ASAP is to back down from free trade agreements and to rise tariffs back up to once again make it affordable to manufacture in Australia.
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Reply #28 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 8:01am

Peter Freedman wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 9:10pm:

The Heartless Felon wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 9:12am:

I heard Shorten on the ABC yesterday say that he had a plan to create jobs. Unfortunately, I didn't hear what that plan was: I was laughing too much...

Isn't that just typical rightard "thinking".

Maybe the plan was interesting and useful, maybe not.

But at least it deserved to be heard rather than drowned by cachinnatory cackling.

The grownups are capable of learning from the past, Peter, and Shorten's past efforts are worth a chuckle anytime.

"cachinnatory cackling"? A touch tautological, no?

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Reply #29 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 8:35am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 6:24am:

True Blue... wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 6:12am:

you can actually see where Rudderless threw hundreds of Billions of Tax payer dollars into lame worthless schemes creating short term worthless jobs...

then after that, the big crash came along with the Labor/Green Carbon Tax...

well, the geentard/labrats will get what they've been wanting... less electricity use...

they'll get it by manufacturing closing down all over Australia and everyone going onto unemployment... they have achieved this in 6 short years and we are still spiralling down to the bottom of the barrel ...

the worst government in the history of Australia... Angry

How many jobs were lost as a direct result of botched stimulus programs under Labor? The insulation scheme, the solar panels scheme, the school halls scheme? We know thousands lost their jobs in the disastrous solar scheme and long-time family businesses shut down because of the botched insulation scheme that cost four young men their lives. Labor are simply incompetent. What more can you say... what more needs to be said than that?

Nothing really...

Only a dero with a pickled brain with no clue of politics would vote for either Labor or the Greens...

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