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Reply #15 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 2:48pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 1:51pm:

Redmond Neck wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 10:51am:

I come from an electronics techo background and still like to play around with that a bit in between restoring my old Alfa and my BMW boxer motorbike.

Name-dropper ... Tongue

They are old and only worth a couple of grand each Herb hardly dropping much apart from the marque.

We all have dreams though!

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Reply #16 - Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 2:32am

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 2:26pm:

Winston Smith wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 2:09pm:

In some paradigms, waste can be a good thing. Not seeing it in this one though, more like race to the bottom.

There is absolutely no way there isn't a toxic grouting they can invent which is safe for humans but herbicidal to fungi of any sort.

Someone invented Vegemite and Aeroplane Jelly.

It's now time for someone to do a little home-chemistry and concoct a type of cement that is totally resistant to fungal growth.

How about mixing a little radioactive material in there? (No need to tell the customers). Cool

Make a fortune.

(Did Coca Cola tell the customers what Ingredient X was? No they didn't, and the government never made them print it on their labels either).

I would agree with you, if a living organism wasn't involved. I agree that there are too junk products being produced. Perhaps there is a useful niche for them I am not seeing. I have a feeling that niche is to exploit the undiscerning buyer. The fact life evolves, probably means that it's impossible to stop the Fungi indefinately.

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Reply #17 - Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 4:55am

Winston Smith wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 2:32am:

The fact life evolves, probably means that it's impossible to stop the Fungi indefinately.

A few years ago I used a bright white silicone to fill a smallish area where the grouting had washed away from about 5 inches of gap between tiles on the shower cubicle floor.

Yeeeeeeears later, that silicone 'grouting' is as brightly white, unstained, and free of any mould above or under it as the day I used the cartridge gun to squeeze it into place.

And do you think I can remember the stuff I used ... ? No way. I've tried other brightly white silicones without success. A mould always takes root under the bead of the silicone run.

I'm thinking of mixing some diluted Glysophate 360 in with a new batch of grouting powder. It's a very powerful herbicide.

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Reply #18 - Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 5:20am

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 4:55am:

Winston Smith wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 2:32am:

The fact life evolves, probably means that it's impossible to stop the Fungi indefinately.

A few years ago I used a bright white silicone to fill a smallish area where the grouting had washed away from about 5 inches of gap between tiles on the shower cubicle floor.

Yeeeeeeears later, that silicone 'grouting' is as brightly white, unstained, and free of any mould above or under it as the day I used the cartridge gun to squeeze it into place.

And do you think I can remember the stuff I used ... ? No way. I've tried other brightly white silicones without success. A mould always takes root under the bead of the silicone run.

I'm thinking of mixing some diluted Glysophate 360 in with a new batch of grouting powder. It's a very powerful herbicide.

Sounds like evolution to me. I think we need to find a more balanced way of existing in our environment. If we become to focused on one thing, something else has to give. The more high impact the solution, the shorter the effective lifespan. The more subtle the solution, the longer it will remain viable. Herbicide is for plants by the way, I am not sure how effective that will be on fungi. Silicone probably traps moisture more than grout, that could also be a problem. Perhaps a darker grout is a better solution.

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Reply #19 - Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 5:36am

Winston Smith wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 5:20am:

Perhaps a darker grout is a better solution.

I checked this out at Bunnings again yesterday ~ and it would look absolutely hideous to have grey or black grouting in the shower cubicle.

All the same crap was on the shelves from years ago. Nothing new. No patented newly invented grouting material. The same old crap that needs to be sprayed with 'EXIT MOULD' in millions of houses around the world.

It's unbelievable. It really is unbelievable.

I know that big companies keep an eye out for new patents at the patents office so as to quickly buy them up and shelve them if they look as though they might threaten the future sale of their products.

Does mould and fungi grow on fresh water fish, eels, turtles, frogs, crocodiles, etc? No it doesn't. Their skin secretes a substance that prevents this ...

There might be an industry in putting cane toads by the ton into giant industrial-sized blenders ... 'juicing' them .... and incorporating the fungicide into grouting.

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Reply #20 - Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 6:34am

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 5:36am:

Winston Smith wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 5:20am:

Perhaps a darker grout is a better solution.

I checked this out at Bunnings again yesterday ~ and it would look absolutely hideous to have grey or black grouting in the shower cubicle.

All the same crap was on the shelves from years ago. Nothing new. No patented newly invented grouting material. The same old crap that needs to be sprayed with 'EXIT MOULD' in millions of houses around the world.

It's unbelievable. It really is unbelievable.

I know that big companies keep an eye out for new patents at the patents office so as to quickly buy them up and shelve them if they look as though they might threaten the future sale of their products.

Does mould and fungi grow on fresh water fish, eels, turtles, frogs, crocodiles, etc? No it doesn't. Their skin secretes a substance that prevents this ...

There might be an industry in putting cane toads by the ton into giant industrial-sized blenders ... 'juicing' them .... and incorporating the fungicide into grouting.

The evolutionary interaction is probably going on 'behind the scenes' or on a higher level within the biota. So they will always be relatively close to the leading edge. The ultimate solution will probably be some type of biological 'living' surface that keeps itself sterile and comes in a variety of colours.

Until we figure out how to evolve and incorporate these types of solutions into our bigger picture, perhaps we will have to settle for less pleasing solutions, until we can convert the higher impact, short lifespan 'patches' into a lasting integrated solutions. I see fresh and elegant engineering developments on the horizon.

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Reply #22 - Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 6:51am

Redmond Neck wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 2:48pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 1:51pm:

Redmond Neck wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 10:51am:

I come from an electronics techo background and still like to play around with that a bit in between restoring my old Alfa and my BMW boxer motorbike.

Name-dropper ... Tongue

They are old and only worth a couple of grand each Herb hardly dropping much apart from the marque.

We all have dreams though!

My Dad did up and AJS with a sidecar a while back: feels a bit wobbly in that sidecar but!! Roll Eyes

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Winston Smith Gold Member Offline Ministry of Truth Posts: 1549 Oceania Gender:	Re: Trades and DIY work Reply #23 - Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 7:13am Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 6:41am: The ultimate answer is to use a product that doesn't need any grouting at all ... ... and so ... link ... I think the space age solutions have high environmental impact, I'm sure there's a more elegant solution floating around in our junk DNA just waiting to be discovered.
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Reply #24 - Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 8:00am

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 6:51am:

Redmond Neck wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 2:48pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 1:51pm:

Redmond Neck wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 10:51am:

I come from an electronics techo background and still like to play around with that a bit in between restoring my old Alfa and my BMW boxer motorbike.

Name-dropper ... Tongue

They are old and only worth a couple of grand each Herb hardly dropping much apart from the marque.

We all have dreams though!

My Dad did up and AJS with a sidecar a while back: feels a bit wobbly in that sidecar but!! Roll Eyes

Maybe its dads riding style....LOL

Lovely to feel the wind in your face and smell the odours of your surroundings from the flowers to the dead kangaroo.

Nothing beats it!

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Reply #25 - Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 9:19am

mozzaok wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 1:34pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 9:31am:

mozzaok wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 9:16am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 8:16am:

everything

We must be related, so do I.

Actually, I don't play with house wiring, but Carpentry is my trade, and cos of Renos, you soon learn to do lots of things pretty well. I paint as good as all but the very best trade painters, I tile better than most tilers, plastering is monkey work, any imbo can do that, but I must admit to being a pretty crummy bricklayer.
Oh well can't be great at everything, it makes ordinary people feel way to inferior.

You're just the man I want a couple of hints from:

I will pay GOLD to anyone who can point me the way to grouting for the shower cubicle ceramic tiles that don't attract mould and darken-up to look bloody awful.

GOLD.

Hint: Don't even think of directing me to the tile section of my local Bunnings. I've used every damn grouting product they have there ~ with all of them failing. I even painted that liquid stuff onto fresh grouting which absorbs into it and crystalises to form a hard shell that's supposed to prevent mould forming.

Useless as tits on a bull.

I used special silicones besides the usual grouting. Mould forms under the silicone ... so all the silicone has to be removed again.

I went to Bunnings to get some of that special shower cubicle waterproof panelling that is embossed to look like tiles ... good stuff but it would cost me $400 for two sheets plus a $75 delivery charge.

I've been taking showers in my bath for months now while I decide what to do.

Good Luck Herb, but so far nothing works really well against mould.
Ventilation and trying to maintain a dry environment is the theoretical answer, but if you live in tropical climes, you've no chance of ever achieving that.
Tea tree oil and Vinegar are good for cleaning mould.
Proprietary anti-fungal additives are not worth a pinch of poop in my experience, like they reduce growth by some small amount probably, so it lasts 6 weeks before mould grows, instead of 5, at least that is my experience.
If it is bad, you have to remove all the old grout and sealant, and wash down well with sugar soap, or bleach, or white vinegar with tea tree oil mixed in, the tea tree oil being the agent that seems to kill mould spores best. Then redo with new grout, then wipe over with tea tree oil vinegar regularly to stop it coming back.

Using Grey Grout can look nice, and give you a chance of looking decent for longer between cleans, and not showing up minor stains when they do appear.

Sorry there is no magic bullet for this problem I know of.

I have to agree with Mozzoak, the best thing to do to prevent mould on your grout is lots of sunlight, lots of fresh air, and regular cleaning.

If it's that bad that you need to regrout, don't even bother trying until you've killed of any exisitng mould, ... and not just that which you can see, wash the whole bathroom down with diluted bleach for best results.

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Reply #26 - Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 11:08am

Thanks, Ferrari ~ but there's not a chance I'm going to spend any time scrubbing the shower walls. That's what wives are for. It's the sort of thing they like to do when they're not in the kitchen or the bedroom.

At best I'll stand back and spray a little 'EXIT MOULD' and 'Anti-Soap Scum Build-up Remover' from an aerosol Pressur-Pak ~ (not the trigger-type that demands you have wrists like a tennis champion). Cool

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Reply #27 - Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 11:15am

On another matter, Bunnings still has some good tools in the segregated area that they reserve for expensive but quality tools.

I bought a couple of hacksaw blades yesterday made of a cobalt alloy. I've bought them before. Worth every penny.

ONE blade of this tough Cobalt/Carbon steel (from America?) sells for the same cost as 10 ordinary blades made in China.

Says it all.

Same with drill bits, chisels, and files, etc.

I'm always checking out garage sales to buy old tools made from good carbon steel. And antique shops.

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Reply #28 - Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 11:35am

I have two very well equipped toolboxes that were gifts from my husband. One is for general tools, one is for electrical tools like those special screwdrivers that don't carry voltage and a multimetre. I can rewire light switches and powerponts etc. I also rewired the thingy that the internet cables and telephone cords go into. I can change taps, door hinges and have recently gyprock'd a wall. All in all, I think I can handle most basic home maintenance.

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Reply #29 - Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 12:07pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 11:35am:

I have two very well equipped toolboxes that were gifts from my husband. One is for general tools, one is for electrical tools like those special screwdrivers that don't carry voltage and a multimetre. I can rewire light switches and powerponts etc. I also rewired the thingy that the internet cables and telephone cords go into. I can change taps, door hinges and have recently gyprock'd a wall. All in all, I think I can handle most basic home maintenance.

I'm impressed.

If you were living here I would ask you to re-rope the sash-window cords every time one of them broke.

The idiots who designed the old fashioned sash windows forgot that the cords would occasionally need replacing. It's been a hell of a job getting access to the broken cord and the piece of lead that they're attached to. You have to virtually smash your way into the channel on the side where the lead goes up and down.

Some idiot in charge of the sash-window factory back then in the 50's and before, said ~ "No Worries! Just seal up the channel and start doing the next one".

Over the years a lot of people have gone to their graves unpunished.

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