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Will The Coal Train Drivers Go On Strike.
Feb 21st, 2014 at 10:16am
 
BHP threatens union with court action over proposed 24-hour stoppages

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BHP Billiton has threatened to take the union representing coal train drivers to court in response to proposed strike action next week over stalled wage talks.    

BHP Mt Arthur Coal general manager Mark van den Heuvel has written to the Rail, Tram and Bus Industry Union saying the company will take "all necessary steps" including legal action to prevent harm to its business from any industrial action.

The threat is similar to one made last year by Xstrata Coal when train drivers working for Pacific National went on strike in response to a stalemate in their salary negotiations.


"This is multinational greed at its worst":      Sad

Coal train drivers based in the Hunter who work for Aurizon say the company has refused to budge in their negotiations since May last year.


They have threatened a 24-hour stoppage on Tuesday and another on Thursday if the company does not return to the negotiating table. A ban on overtime will also be in place this weekend.

On Wednesday, the RTBU received a threatening letter from BHP, which relies on Aurizon's coal freight service to move its coal supply from Mt Arthur Coal Mine to Newcastle coal terminals.

In his letter to the union, Mr van den Heuvel said any industrial action by Aurizon employees will cause harm to the mine's business by delaying the supply of coal to customers.

"As you will appreciate, particularly in the current economic climate being experienced in the coal mining industry, it is not in the interests of the members of the RTBU or other workers in the industry, for industrial action to be taken which will cause harm to that industry," he said.

RTBU national secretary Bob Nanva said the rights of the workforce to a "fair and reasonable" pay increase was at stake.    

"This is multinational greed at its worst. We're seeing a full court press from massive, highly profitable companies who are trying to deny a workforce of 200 train drivers their legitimate right to collectively bargain," Mr Nanva said.     

"This issue is no longer about Aurizon workers and their agreement. It's about the right of workers in the hunter and across Australia to collectively bargain without fear, threats or intimidation."      Sad

A spokeswoman for Aurizon said the company is extremely disappointed the RTBU had decided to take industrial action when "there is a generous deal on the table".

"This action will cause significant disruption and cost to our customers and the broader coal industry in NSW, as well as hurting the local economy in the Newcastle and the Hunter Valley," she said.

"A 48-hour strike effectively becomes 72 hours of lost production because it takes about 12 hours to close down operations and 12 hours to re-start our business".

"This irresponsible strike action comes at a time when local coal producers are needing every tonne of coal shipped. It's abundantly clear that the coal sector has been shedding jobs and the Australian economy faces unprecedented restructuring."

The Aurizon proposal included a reduction in working hours for train drivers, increases in long service leave, a 12 per cent wage increase over three years and a $2000 one-off cash payment upon approval of the agreement.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/bhp-threatens-union-with-court-action-over-proposed-24hour-stoppages-20140220-3348a.html#ixzz2tuW4xODX
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Reply #1 - Feb 21st, 2014 at 11:20am
 
What is the unions proposal?
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Reply #2 - Feb 21st, 2014 at 11:26am
 
progressiveslol wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 11:20am:
What is the unions proposal?


To put the Choo Choo  train drivers out of work

Like  Ford , GMH,Toyota,    Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #3 - Feb 21st, 2014 at 11:32am
 
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"As you will appreciate, particularly in the current economic climate being experienced in the coal mining industry, it is not in the interests of the members of the RTBU or other workers in the industry, for industrial action to be taken which will cause harm to that industry," he said.


That's never worried a union.

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The Aurizon proposal included a reduction in working hours for train drivers, increases in long service leave, a 12 per cent wage increase over three years and a $2000 one-off cash payment upon approval of the agreement.


...and a partridge in a pear tree.... Grin

Looks like a pretty good deal...WTF is the Union whinging about?
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Reply #4 - Feb 21st, 2014 at 11:37am
 
Swagman wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 11:32am:
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"As you will appreciate, particularly in the current economic climate being experienced in the coal mining industry, it is not in the interests of the members of the RTBU or other workers in the industry, for industrial action to be taken which will cause harm to that industry," he said.


That's never worried a union.

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The Aurizon proposal included a reduction in working hours for train drivers, increases in long service leave, a 12 per cent wage increase over three years and a $2000 one-off cash payment upon approval of the agreement.


...and a partridge in a pear tree.... Grin

Looks like a pretty good deal...WTF is the Union whinging about?


BYE BYE COAL INDUSTRY    Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #5 - Feb 21st, 2014 at 12:26pm
 
Swagman wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 11:32am:
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"As you will appreciate, particularly in the current economic climate being experienced in the coal mining industry, it is not in the interests of the members of the RTBU or other workers in the industry, for industrial action to be taken which will cause harm to that industry," he said.


That's never worried a union.

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The Aurizon proposal included a reduction in working hours for train drivers, increases in long service leave, a 12 per cent wage increase over three years and a $2000 one-off cash payment upon approval of the agreement.


...and a partridge in a pear tree.... Grin

Looks like a pretty good deal...WTF is the Union whinging about?



Sounds OK on the surface.

Wonder what the 'catch' is??
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Reply #6 - Feb 21st, 2014 at 12:35pm
 
Probably they want to be overpaid like the overpaid quarry men mine workers.
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Reply #7 - Feb 21st, 2014 at 12:39pm
 
Kat wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 12:26pm:
Swagman wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 11:32am:
Quote:
"As you will appreciate, particularly in the current economic climate being experienced in the coal mining industry, it is not in the interests of the members of the RTBU or other workers in the industry, for industrial action to be taken which will cause harm to that industry," he said.


That's never worried a union.

Quote:
The Aurizon proposal included a reduction in working hours for train drivers, increases in long service leave, a 12 per cent wage increase over three years and a $2000 one-off cash payment upon approval of the agreement.


...and a partridge in a pear tree.... Grin

Looks like a pretty good deal...WTF is the Union whinging about?



Sounds OK on the surface.

Wonder what the 'catch' is??


The "catch"? The "catch" will be the pig ignorant, useless, bloated union rep not telling the workers just to accepet a decent deal and get the hell back to work.

That's what the "catch" will be, that's always what the smacking "catch" is.
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Reply #8 - Feb 21st, 2014 at 12:56pm
 
Yeah - they will become the new oil refinery workers who traditionally strike just before Christmas....

Actually it is time for this nonsense of 'suing unions' to cease - a Union, after all, is a group of its members and therefore suing a Union pe se is a nonsense.

Can't the morons who claim to run the show sit down and negotiate?  This is just bullying and will inevitably lead to a downturn in productivity and also to sabotage and so forth. I see 'overtime ban' and 'work to regs' are right up there in the reality scale - and there is no comeback?  Watcha gonna do?  Sack a driver who refuses overtime?

When will the children who masquerade as management here in Australia and elsewhere grow up?

Next case.......
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Reply #9 - Feb 21st, 2014 at 1:09pm
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 12:56pm:
Yeah - they will become the new oil refinery workers who traditionally strike just before Christmas....

Actually it is time for this nonsense of 'suing unions' to cease - a Union, after all, is a group of its members and therefore suing a Union pe se is a nonsense.

Can't the morons who claim to run the show sit down and negotiate?  This is just bullying and will inevitably lead to a downturn in productivity and also to sabotage and so forth. I see 'overtime ban' and 'work to regs' are right up there in the reality scale - and there is no comeback?  Watcha gonna do?  Sack a driver who refuses overtime?

When will the children who masquerade as management here in Australia and elsewhere grow up?

Next case.......


Management and owners are the reason these people have jobs, and the reason bloated unions can scab $10,000,000's of dollars a year in dues.

Accept a decent offer and get the bugger back to work.

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Reply #10 - Feb 21st, 2014 at 1:25pm
 
FriYAY wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 12:39pm:
Kat wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 12:26pm:
Swagman wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 11:32am:
Quote:
"As you will appreciate, particularly in the current economic climate being experienced in the coal mining industry, it is not in the interests of the members of the RTBU or other workers in the industry, for industrial action to be taken which will cause harm to that industry," he said.


That's never worried a union.

Quote:
The Aurizon proposal included a reduction in working hours for train drivers, increases in long service leave, a 12 per cent wage increase over three years and a $2000 one-off cash payment upon approval of the agreement.


...and a partridge in a pear tree.... Grin

Looks like a pretty good deal...WTF is the Union whinging about?



Sounds OK on the surface.

Wonder what the 'catch' is??


The "catch"? The "catch" will be the pig ignorant, useless, bloated union rep not telling the workers just to accepet a decent deal and get the hell back to work.

That's what the "catch" will be, that's always what the smacking "catch" is.

The catch is 12% over 4 years not 3 which nearly keeps up with inflation but not quite, the nsw drivers work 42 hr weeks. Which see drivers in nsw earn less than qld drivers doing a 38 hr week for the same company who I might add make $15 000000 a day moving coal
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Reply #11 - Feb 21st, 2014 at 1:48pm
 
FriYAY wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 1:09pm:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 12:56pm:
Yeah - they will become the new oil refinery workers who traditionally strike just before Christmas....

Actually it is time for this nonsense of 'suing unions' to cease - a Union, after all, is a group of its members and therefore suing a Union pe se is a nonsense.

Can't the morons who claim to run the show sit down and negotiate?  This is just bullying and will inevitably lead to a downturn in productivity and also to sabotage and so forth. I see 'overtime ban' and 'work to regs' are right up there in the reality scale - and there is no comeback?  Watcha gonna do?  Sack a driver who refuses overtime?

When will the children who masquerade as management here in Australia and elsewhere grow up?

Next case.......


Management and owners are the reason these people have jobs, and the reason bloated unions can scab $10,000,000's of dollars a year in dues.

Accept a decent offer and get the bugger back to work.



.. and their workers are the whole reason those ghetts have a job at all on their bloated salaries and perks - so they need to man up and start working like a team - do it MY way!
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Reply #12 - Feb 21st, 2014 at 1:50pm
 
Rubin wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 1:25pm:
The catch is 12% over 4 years not 3 which nearly keeps up with inflation but not quite, the nsw drivers work 42 hr weeks. Which see drivers in nsw earn less than qld drivers doing a 38 hr week for the same company who I might add make $15 000000 a day moving coal



Some sense and facts at last..... outside of all the rhetoric and bombast ...   Shocked
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Reply #13 - Feb 21st, 2014 at 1:52pm
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 1:50pm:
Rubin wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 1:25pm:
The catch is 12% over 4 years not 3 which nearly keeps up with inflation but not quite, the nsw drivers work 42 hr weeks. Which see drivers in nsw earn less than qld drivers doing a 38 hr week for the same company who I might add make $15 000000 a day moving coal



Some sense and facts at last..... outside of all the rhetoric and bombast ...   Shocked



They'll be wasted, though.

Pearls before swine, and all that...
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Reply #14 - Feb 21st, 2014 at 2:44pm
 
Geez Red, are you still banging on about that. Wink
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