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Re: A great Treasurer in the making
Reply #15 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 2:54pm

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 1:34pm:

What I like about this govt is they don't piss around. They put it all out there like it is and get moving on it.
The country has huge problems and you either have a govt like Rudd which pretends they don't exist or you have one that gets on with it.

Not that I expect anyone from the left would have the sense to understand it.

And what exactly have they done so far, pray tell?

What great results do you lay out for us in a list so we can see it for real instead of the mumbling and stuttering of 'policy' ideas that have no merit in the real world?

Yeah - I know fifty people who moved today on becoming billionaires - trouble is that not one of them has made it yet. So in the same vein - what has Fat Joe DONE for real other than talk?

We deal in results out here in Realityland - not idle chit-chat between morons elected by morons as they mutter and stumble over and over their silly ideas of how to make things work - as long as it does not affect them in their fluffy pillow world of make-believe feather-bedded by the money of those they plan to extort, of course.

Anyone for a march on Canberra?

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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: A great Treasurer in the making Reply #16 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 3:23pm I just love it when bogarde goes all super gay on us This new govt is bringing a lot of neo cons out of the closet
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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: A great Treasurer in the making Reply #17 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 3:30pm I particularly like the way Hockey is demonising hard working Australians for collecting the old age pension that they pay for with their own taxes while he says nothing about his own $500,000 per yr pension that is payed for wholly and solely by hard working PAYE Aussies. Yep...Hockey is a great Treasurer
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Re: A great Treasurer in the making
Reply #18 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 3:36pm

Hockey is going to create the mother and father of all recessions, then apply WorkChoices which will depress the economy even further.

If a business and its workforce have negotiated and signed an EBA why would the govt interfere?

In the US the “red” states who basically have WorkChoices are doing much worse than the blue states.

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Reply #19 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 4:01pm

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 1:25pm:

Or this:

Australia will run out of money to pay for Medicare and its welfare and education systems unless the Abbott government takes a harder look at costs, says Treasurer Joe Hockey.

Mr Hockey said he was ''ringing an early warning bell'' about the sustainability of federal funding for vital programs, saying hard work will be needed in the future just to maintain the quality of life expected by most Australians.

''The starting point is if our health and welfare and education systems stay exactly the same, Australia is going to run out of money to pay for them,'' Mr Hockey told the Seven Network on Friday.

''If nothing happens, we will never get back into surplus, we'll never pay off debt.

''We'll either have to have a massive increase in taxes, and that means fewer jobs at the end of the day, or we're going to have to look at ways we can restructure the system to make it sustainable.''

Mr Hockey said that Medicare was forecast to increase from $65 billion in this year's budget to $75 billion within just three years.

Can anyone tell me how is it by increase taxes it will cost jobs.

You can increase personal income tax, GST, CGT or the medicare levy. How would any of them cost jobs or is Hockey talking out of his arse again.

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Re: A great Treasurer in the making
Reply #20 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 4:20pm

John S wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 4:01pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 1:25pm:

Or this:

Australia will run out of money to pay for Medicare and its welfare and education systems unless the Abbott government takes a harder look at costs, says Treasurer Joe Hockey.

Mr Hockey said he was ''ringing an early warning bell'' about the sustainability of federal funding for vital programs, saying hard work will be needed in the future just to maintain the quality of life expected by most Australians.

''The starting point is if our health and welfare and education systems stay exactly the same, Australia is going to run out of money to pay for them,'' Mr Hockey told the Seven Network on Friday.

''If nothing happens, we will never get back into surplus, we'll never pay off debt.

''We'll either have to have a massive increase in taxes, and that means fewer jobs at the end of the day, or we're going to have to look at ways we can restructure the system to make it sustainable.''

Mr Hockey said that Medicare was forecast to increase from $65 billion in this year's budget to $75 billion within just three years.

Can anyone tell me how is it by increase taxes it will cost jobs.

You can increase personal income tax, GST, CGT or the medicare levy. How would any of them cost jobs or is Hockey talking out of his arse again.

Well Yes, If an increase in Taxes makes Australia internationally uncompetitive, then Business, particularly Big Global companies could pick up & move offshore.

However, given that almost all countries have similar problems, then they will all be looking at a similar, small number of options & high on those options are increasing Taxes & lowering Expenditure.

So, the most likely outcomes would suggest small Tax increases, closing Tax loopholes & lopping off some Expenditure.

Therefore, if most countries adopt that strategy, then OZ would be Tax steady & thus business would stay put!

Oh & btw, we could take relatively small Tax increases & relatively small Declines in Expenditure and make some very good inroads into our debt, thus getting down to manageable levels, unless the bottom falls completely out of the Global Economy, then all bets are off!

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96491	Re: A great Treasurer in the making Reply #21 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 4:23pm Bobby. wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 1:41pm: Joe Hockey couldn't run an Arab kebab shop yet alone a country. True, Bobbie, but I think his support here is solely due to the political party he’s in. Now that, leftards, is a first.
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Re: A great Treasurer in the making
Reply #22 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 4:27pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 4:23pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 1:41pm:

Joe Hockey couldn't run an Arab kebab shop yet alone a country.

True, Bobbie, but I think his support here is solely due to the political party he’s in.

Now that, leftards, is a first.

Didn't they chuck his family out of Palestine for selling dodgy kebabs?
Ive heard the words rancid Donkey meat mentioned once or twice Cheesy

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Re: A great Treasurer in the making
Reply #23 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 4:35pm

adelcrow wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 4:27pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 4:23pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 1:41pm:

Joe Hockey couldn't run an Arab kebab shop yet alone a country.

True, Bobbie, but I think his support here is solely due to the political party he’s in.

Now that, leftards, is a first.

Didn't they chuck his family out of Palestine for selling dodgy kebabs?
Ive heard the words rancid Donkey meat mentioned once or twice Cheesy

Exactly. He and his dodgy family have been arrested for terrorism on a number of occasions. Obviously, he would choose to go into politics to destroy the country completely.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 139339 Gender:	Re: A great Treasurer in the making Reply #24 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 4:41pm Life_goes_on wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 1:28pm: Yeah, yeah... we get it... you want to suck most of, if not the entire front bench off.
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Re: A great Treasurer in the making
Reply #25 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 4:45pm

John S wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 4:01pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 1:25pm:

Or this:

Australia will run out of money to pay for Medicare and its welfare and education systems unless the Abbott government takes a harder look at costs, says Treasurer Joe Hockey.

Mr Hockey said he was ''ringing an early warning bell'' about the sustainability of federal funding for vital programs, saying hard work will be needed in the future just to maintain the quality of life expected by most Australians.

''The starting point is if our health and welfare and education systems stay exactly the same, Australia is going to run out of money to pay for them,'' Mr Hockey told the Seven Network on Friday.

''If nothing happens, we will never get back into surplus, we'll never pay off debt.

''We'll either have to have a massive increase in taxes, and that means fewer jobs at the end of the day, or we're going to have to look at ways we can restructure the system to make it sustainable.''

Mr Hockey said that Medicare was forecast to increase from $65 billion in this year's budget to $75 billion within just three years.

Can anyone tell me how is it by increase taxes it will cost jobs.

You can increase personal income tax, GST, CGT or the medicare levy. How would any of them cost jobs or is Hockey talking out of his arse again.

Wise one, I can't believe you asked that with a straight face. I'll bite.

If taxes are raised the consumer has less disposable income. They can't buy as much 'stuff'. If they are not buying as much, sales of goods and services must fall and along with it, jobs.

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Re: A great Treasurer in the making
Reply #26 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 4:50pm

The thing is, Hockey's pension Is guaranteed when he leaves politics whatever his age.

Many people who are 60 are unable to continue working due to health etc...what so they go on the dole?

Leave the pension age alone....if the Govt can't sustain the pension....CUT POLITICIANS WAGES AND GOLDEN HANDSHAKES.......WE'LL HAVE PLENTY OF MONEY TO ENABLE PEOPLE WHO HAVE WORKED THEIR GUTS OUT, TO HAVE A FEW YEARS OF REST BEFORE THEY KICK OFF. Angry

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Re: A great Treasurer in the making
Reply #27 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 5:16pm

Joe, Joe, Joe, i never thought you guys would be a 1 term government... until now.
Your ideas re "the age of entitlement" are getting more unrealisic as time goes on.
Be good to see all those arthritic 69 year old brickies waiting for the big 70 to arrive, or 69 year old coppers arresting ME criminals or pulling over bikies etc, etc, etc....
Now union bashing and unemployed bashing, and pensioner bashing just has to stop. Some people are on pensions because they need to be. People on Newstart live in poverty.
It's time you joined the real world, time to live like those people you seem so clueless about.

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Redmond Neck Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 21695 ACT Gender:	Re: A great Treasurer in the making Reply #28 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 5:23pm Quote: Wise One You can increase personal income tax, GST, CGT or the medicare levy. How would any of them cost jobs or is Hockey talking out of his arse again. Did any of you silly buggers read what he said?
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Re: A great Treasurer in the making
Reply #29 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 5:27pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 5:16pm:

Joe, Joe, Joe, i never thought you guys would be a 1 term government... until now.
Your ideas re "the age of entitlement" are getting more unrealisic as time goes on.
Be good to see all those arthritic 69 year old brickies waiting for the big 70 to arrive, or 69 year old coppers arresting ME criminals or pulling over bikies etc, etc, etc....
Now union bashing and unemployed bashing, and pensioner bashing just has to stop. Some people are on pensions because they need to be. People on Newstart live in poverty.
It's time you joined the real world, time to live like those people you seem so clueless about.

Finally - a Liberal policy that has p!ssed Grendel off.

Raising the aged pension - we should have seen that one coming. Don’t p!ss off the seniors, leftards.

You’ll have Grendel voting for the Greens.

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