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Co Payment Proposal Should Be Knocked On The Head.
Feb 23rd, 2014 at 6:08am
 
Proposed GP co-payment would add $2 billion to Australia's health bill, modelling shows

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A proposed GP co-payment could add an extraordinary $2 billion to state and federal government health bills.

The South Australian Health Department has estimated that a proposal to force patients to pay a $6 ''co-payment'' for a GP visit would lead to about 4 per cent of people bypassing their GP and instead attending hospital emergency departments to seek help for minor health complaints. The modelling showed that this would double the number of people presenting at hospital emergency departments for minor ailments, tripling waiting times and costing an extra $145.22 million.      Sad

The increased costs to the South Australian health system extrapolated across the country would add $1.99 billion to the nation's health bill.

The Greens and Labor leapt on the figures. ''They demonstrate that this proposal is going to greatly increase total health costs, rather than save the Commonwealth money,'' Greens health spokesman Richard Di Natale said.      


Labor health spokeswoman Catherine King said the modelling showed the co-payment proposal should be ''knocked on the head''.      Smiley

The co-payment suggestion came from Terry Barnes, a former adviser to Prime Minister Tony Abbott who wrote a submission to the federal government's Commission of Audit for the Australian Centre for Health Research.

In the paper, Mr Barnes wrote that the government could save $750 million over four years by forcing patients who are bulk-billed to pay $6 to visit their GP.

Mr Barnes told a parliamentary committee last week there was ''at least anecdotal evidence'' GPs were being ''overused'' by patients.

He calculated there would be a 3 per cent reduction in the number of people seeing their GPs if a co-payment was introduced, but acknowledged it was ''very hard to make assumptions. There has been speculation and some analysis, but there is no definitive work on it. I think it is educated guesswork.''

The co-payment idea has found favour with many in the government.   Sad      

On Thursday, Health Minister Peter Dutton opened the door to the introduction of a co-payment, telling the ABC: ''I want to make sure that, for argument's sake, we have a discussion about you or me on reasonable incomes, whether we should expect to pay nothing when we go to see the doctor, when we go to have a blood test - should we expect to pay nothing as a co-contribution and other taxpayers to pick up that bill?''

Doctors and health groups have criticised the idea, saying patients will try to avoid the fee by using hospital emergency departments instead.

Yesterday Mr Dutton said "the Australian government hasn't propsed a co-payment, it is a suggestion from a think tank, which the South Australian Labor government has clearly wasted taxpayer on modelling."

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/proposed-gp-copayment-would-add-2-billion-to-australias-health-bill-modelling-shows-20140222-3396q.html#ixzz2u5CmpPwh
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Reply #1 - Feb 23rd, 2014 at 6:43am
 
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On Thursday, Health Minister Peter Dutton opened the door to the introduction of a co-payment, telling the ABC: ''I want to make sure that, for argument's sake, we have a discussion about you or me on reasonable incomes, whether we should expect to pay nothing when we go to see the doctor, when we go to have a blood test - should we expect to pay nothing as a co-contribution and other taxpayers to pick up that bill?''



Doesn't Dutton pay any medicare levy. Isn't time  he start to pay his way

If he wants more money for medicare why doesn't he raise the levy so people pay more.
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Reply #2 - Feb 23rd, 2014 at 10:10am
 
I agree that the co-payment model is a bad idea & I intend to write my MP to that effect.
It would be an administrative nightmare for GPs and pathology services, especially as it would undoubtedly be the case that there would be exemptions such as for age pensioners & maybe all health care cardholders.

However, something must be done to address the underfunding of medicare now & into the future. Why do you think waiting lists are so bad and ERs are so full? It's money in one way or another.
Without devoting what remains of my mind to the problem for too long, I can only see that an increase to the medicare levy is the most desirable solution.

We are running a 1980s health system in 2014 and it's not up to the job without some major adjustment.
And btw, destroying the private health sector is NOT an answer.
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Reply #3 - Feb 23rd, 2014 at 10:19am
 
What about reducing the fees that medical people can charge in hospitals?

They seem to charge $1,000 a minute.
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Reply #4 - Feb 23rd, 2014 at 10:37am
 
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A proposed GP co-payment could add an extraordinary $2 billion to state and federal government health bills.

The South Australian Health Department has estimated that a proposal to force patients to pay a $6 ''co-payment'' for a GP visit would lead to about 4 per cent of people bypassing their GP and instead attending hospital emergency departments to seek help for minor health complaints. The modelling showed that this would double the number of people presenting at hospital emergency departments for minor ailments, tripling waiting times and costing an extra $145.22 million.      



I believe anyone attending the emergency dept should be paying anyway...I do not see a thing wrong with people paying $20..

has anyone seen the cigarette butts outside hospitals???>...I am sorry but to hear people whinge and whine about $6 bucks.. makes me sick to my stomach...I bet half of them cant wait to rush down to the bottle dept ...

look at fast food business.. its a growing concern in this country obesity is a huge problem I bet if they up the price of fast food by $6  no one will say a bloody word.. Angry Angry Angry
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Reply #5 - Feb 23rd, 2014 at 10:41am
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 10:19am:
What about reducing the fees that medical people can charge in hospitals?

They seem to charge $1,000 a minute.




thats the point of our system. bobby... you can wait awhile and its free...I waited 9 months for my op...didnt pay a penny.. I think that bloody good..if you can afford to pay then you dont wait...our system is fantastic.. but it cant last forever..and if just oiling the wheels with $6 bucks helps.. then why is that so bad.?? we are incredible.. Angry
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Reply #6 - Feb 23rd, 2014 at 10:44am
 
cods wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 10:37am:
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A proposed GP co-payment could add an extraordinary $2 billion to state and federal government health bills.

The South Australian Health Department has estimated that a proposal to force patients to pay a $6 ''co-payment'' for a GP visit would lead to about 4 per cent of people bypassing their GP and instead attending hospital emergency departments to seek help for minor health complaints. The modelling showed that this would double the number of people presenting at hospital emergency departments for minor ailments, tripling waiting times and costing an extra $145.22 million.      



I believe anyone attending the emergency dept should be paying anyway...I do not see a thing wrong with people paying $20..

has anyone seen the cigarette butts outside hospitals???>...I am sorry but to hear people whinge and whine about $6 bucks.. makes me sick to my stomach...I bet half of them cant wait to rush down to the bottle dept ...

look at fast food business.. its a growing concern in this country obesity is a huge problem I bet if they up the price of fast food by $6  no one will say a bloody word.. Angry Angry Angry


Yeah because as we all know - anyone that goes to a casualty is a smoker and obese right? Oh and a drinker!

Thing is if you have an emergency the chances of you having $20 on you isnt high. Most ppl dont stop to grab their wallet when an ambo takes them unconscious to a hospital.

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Reply #7 - Feb 23rd, 2014 at 10:46am
 
Abbott lied.  This is what he said a couple of weeks ago before the Griffiths by-election.

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Tony Abbott has moved to pour cold water on talk of a bulk billing co-payment fee as the Griffith byelection enters its final week, but Labor has labelled the Prime Minister's comments ''weasel words''.

The Griffith campaign has been dominated by the controversial proposal - put to the federal government's Commission of Audit - to end free doctor visits and charge patients $6 per visit.

Liberal National Party candidate Bill Glasson, a former Australian Medical Association president, came out in favour of the proposal last month but has since backed away from his comments.

Speaking after Dr Glasson's campaign launch on Saturday, Mr Abbott sought to draw a line through the issue before next week's poll.


''Nothing is being considered. Nothing is being proposed. Nothing is planned,'' he said.

However, when pressed, Mr Abbott did not guarantee there would be no co-payment.





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Reply #8 - Feb 23rd, 2014 at 11:54am
 
Medicare on life support      Sad

Thursday 20th February 2014

General Secretary of the NSW Nurses and Midwives’ Association (NSWNMA), Brett Holmes, today urged all Australians who value our principle of universal health care to join nurses and midwives in defending Medicare as we know it.

“Australians treasure their Medicare cards. They are an invaluable safety net which guarantees that they and their families will never suffer for want of medical care when they need it just because they don’t have money in their pocket or expensive health insurance.

“The Minister for Health, Mr Dutton, last night as good as declared his intention to get rid of Medicare as we have come to know and rely on it,” Mr Holmes said.

“Minister Dutton told the ABC’s 7.30 Report last night that Australians need to pay more for their health care and spoke favourably about bringing in ‘co- payments’ to see a doctor.      Sad

“Make no mistake, the day Australians have to stump up cash to take their sick child to the GP, that is the day Medicare becomes terminal. The Minister made it very clear that a user-pays system is the Abbott Government’s solution to every challenge our society might face.

“The Minister also confirmed in a speech in Brisbane yesterday his Government’s preference for a greater role of the private sector and private insurers in primary care, as the government wanted to ‘grow the opportunity for those Australians who can afford to do so to contribute to their own health care costs’.

“We already have a two-tier system of health for those who can afford private health insurance, which, we should not forget, receives a taxpayer subsidy of approximately $5 billion a year, but clearly the Government sees greater opportunity for insurance companies and corporations to make more money out of illness.” Mr Holmes said

The NSWNMA supports the international movement for the introduction of a Financial Transactions Tax (FTT) in Australia and internationally. It will call on visiting G20 Finance Ministers meeting in Sydney on Sunday, including Australian Treasurer Joe Hockey, to adopt such a tax across the developed world.

“A tiny levy on market-based financial trading, currency speculation, derivatives and share trading would provide ample funds to maintain the services like health and aged care that Australians expect. And it would be paid only by a handful of the wealthiest among us, many of whom are currently able to minimise or avoid paying tax,” Mr Holmes said.

“Already 11 Eurozone nations, including France and Germany, have moved to introduce the levy and been given approval to do so by the EU Finance Ministers meeting in Brussels last year.

Experts have estimated that an FTT of only 0.05% in Australia from 2005 would have raised approximately $48 billion in just the three following years.

“Even that tiny impost would fill any budget shortfalls without extreme measures like destroying Medicare. If it’s good enough for Germany, why not us?” Mr Holmes said.

“Medicare is precious to Australians because it is fundamental to our sense of living in a fair and decent society. It means no one need live in fear of needing medical help and being unable to afford it or choosing between the doctor and the groceries.

“We pay for it through the levy on our income and our general taxes. It treats every Australian the same, no matter where they live or how much wealth they have. If we need more money to keep our nation healthy, then we say institute the FTT, that way those who really can afford to contribute more to our society will do so.

“We can all see a doctor or go to hospital whenever we need to, even if we are broke.

“So called ‘co-payments’ are just the thin edge of a wedge that has been sharpened for years by extreme ideologues within the Coalition parties. If there’s a payment, it’s not Medicare – full stop.      Sad

“These people have always wanted to destroy Medicare and allow a US-style private profit system to take over in its place. This is the opening salvo to achieve that end,” Mr Holmes said.

“It’s up to Australians to make their voices heard before it’s too late and Medicare is dead and buried,” Mr Holmes said.
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Reply #9 - Feb 23rd, 2014 at 12:13pm
 
http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Bills_Legislation/bd/Bd9900/2000bd1...

Raise the Medicare levy to 1.5%.....Howard did it to fund East Timor with little fuss!!!

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Imposition of the Defence - East Timor levy was announced by the Prime Minister, Hon John Howard, in a Ministerial Statement on 23 November 1999. It is anticipated that the levy will raise about $900 million in the 2000-2001 tax year. The money will be used to help finance Australia's continuing involvement in East Timor, to increase the number of fully operational infantry battalions from four to six, and to expand the number of air force personnel by 555 to 13,555.

The levy will be imposed as an increase in the Medicare levy. Only individual taxpayers earning more than $50,000 in 2000-2001 will be required to pay the levy. It will be imposed at two progressive rates of 0.5% and 1% of taxable income. Individual taxpayers with a taxable income above $50,000 will pay the levy at a rate of 0.5%. Those with a taxable income above $100,000 will pay a 1% levy. The 0.5% levy will shade-in from $50,001 to $51,282. The 1% levy will shade-in from $100,001 to $102,564.

The Opposition and the Australian Democrats have both expressed their support for the levy in principle.



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Reply #10 - Feb 23rd, 2014 at 1:05pm
 
John S wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 6:43am:
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On Thursday, Health Minister Peter Dutton opened the door to the introduction of a co-payment, telling the ABC: ''I want to make sure that, for argument's sake, we have a discussion about you or me on reasonable incomes, whether we should expect to pay nothing when we go to see the doctor, when we go to have a blood test - should we expect to pay nothing as a co-contribution and other taxpayers to pick up that bill?''



Doesn't Dutton pay any medicare levy. Isn't time  he start to pay his way

If he wants more money for medicare why doesn't he raise the levy so people pay more.



Can't argue with that.....

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Reply #11 - Feb 23rd, 2014 at 1:10pm
 
The other thing that worries me with the stance taken by Joe, Tony, Peter, et al, is how is means testing on this GOOD, when Labor's means testing (on anything) was BAD???

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