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Reply #180 - Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:44pm
 
I'll bet you SHY doesnt even own a backpack Wink
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Reply #181 - Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:44pm
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:37pm:
aquascoot wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:31pm:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:12pm:
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adelcrow wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 7:18pm:
It looks like Morrison's paid thugs dragged hiding asylum seekers out of their rooms and the camp's gym and took turns at beating them with clubs and metal posts as well as stomping on their heads...Yep..Morrison must resign and there must be an investigation into his secrecy, lies and thuggery.


If they didn't riot would this have happened,what should the response be for people who riot?

Perhaps if the leftists put respect for humanity before respect for ancient beliefs then there would be no asylum seekers from Iran.


Life under the ruling Mullah's in Iran,why do leftists stick up for Islam?

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Which "leftists" stick up for Iran?  What would you have the world do? Nuke Iran?

Sure, problems exist, and I wholeheartedly agree that the best outcome can only come from stability in those regions.  But while there is no stability, if refugees come, we have an obligation. And that's the part you seem to conveniently ignore.

And as for refugees rioting - you try being persecuted, escaping, then landing in mandatory indefinite detention. See how long you last.


theres no stability because the arabs hate the persians. they hate them more than the jews.
so lets import arabs and persians so they can fight it out here.

next thing you know australia will be importing sengalese and tamils.  no.... no one could be that f^^king stupid


We've been accepting refugees from these areas for a while. I don't see them killing each other - perhaps because refugees tend to be victims of the instability, not perpetrators? 

I don't really know why I bother, you're still trying to work out the cow analogies Sad 

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How soon we forget...  I recall several reports in the past about aggression towards fellow detainees.
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Reply #182 - Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:44pm
 
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Asylum seekers Salima and Mamun Motiur say they opted for abortion in face of conditions in Nauru detention centre
By the National Reporting Team's Matt Wordsworth
Updated 2 hours 11 minutes ago

Nauru
PHOTO: Asylum seekers blamed poor living conditions for their decision to have an abortion. (Torsten Blackwood: AFP)
RELATED STORY: Candlelight vigils held for slain asylum seekerRELATED STORY: Morrison under fire over Manus Island riotRELATED STORY: Former Sri Lankan military officer the acting operations manager of Manus Is
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A pregnant Rohingyan couple seeking asylum in Australia but transported to Nauru say the conditions are so bad there that they decided to get an abortion.

The father says he and his wife made the decision to terminate the pregnancy because of the heat in the camp, the long waits for food and the poor state of facilities such as toilets.

Immigration Minister Scott Morrison, however, has denied that the conditions were to blame and labelled the claim "outrageous".

Mamun Motiur, 24, says he and his wife, Salima, met in Indonesia while on their way to Australia.

They arrived on Christmas Island in early December and within days were transferred to Nauru.

Mr Motiur said it was there that they discovered Salima was pregnant and decided to seek an abortion.

"In Nauru, the weather is very hot - up to 40 degrees," Mr Motiur said.

"And if we born with a child in Nauru the child must die because the facilities [are] not good in there.

"There is a very small room. Families are given a fan. But in a single camp there is no fan. When you take meals – lunch and dinner – you must be standing two hours in the line.

"So we think if we (have) the child now he, the child, has no future. So we decided to take abortion."

Couple flown to Brisbane with wife six weeks pregnant

Mr Motiur says he expressed their concerns to immigration officials and later raised the prospect of an abortion with the medical service provider IHMS.

The criminal code of Nauru makes abortion an offence.

The couple's lawyer, Mark Johnson, says Salima was about six weeks pregnant when the couple was flown to Brisbane.

"Salima has described what occurred shortly after they got there," Mr Johnson said.

"She was given some medication, some tablets and then the following day some more tablets and it seems that those tablets brought on a spontaneous termination of her pregnancy."

In a statement, Mr Morrison said privacy laws prevented discussion of specific cases but released a statement.

"Primary health care for pregnant women is assessed on a case-by-case basis and a care plan is developed appropriately," he said.

"Such decisions are private and personal and are taken in consultation with their doctor for their own reasons, and is a matter for them.

The Government rejects any suggestion that Australia's offshore processing policy provides any legitimate medical grounds for a parent to choose to have an abortion.
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"When deemed necessary, transferees are moved to Australia temporarily for medical treatment."

Ian Rintoul, from the Refugee Action Coalition, says it was a deeply concerning case.

"I think they have recognised at the very least the extreme psychological trauma that Nauru has inflicted on Salima and the impossibility in her mind of being able to go ahead with having a baby in the conditions on Nauru," Mr Rintoul said.

He says pregnant women should not be held in offshore detention centres, but the Minister denies the conditions were to blame.

"The Government rejects any suggestion that Australia's offshore processing policy provides any legitimate medical grounds for a parent to choose to have an abortion," Mr Morrison's statement said.

"This is yet another outrageous claim."

Mr Johnson said the couple is now in detention in Darwin.

"I have briefly spoken with the psychiatrist who examined her last Wednesday and that is in fact since I have last seen her," Mr Johnson said.

"He has described her as 35 kilograms in weight. She's only a slight figure but 35 kilograms anyone would accept as very much underweight. Her health is still not great."

Mr Johnson also said they will take further legal action if the department attempts to return them to Nauru.


Everything is an outrageous claim, according to this sadist!
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Reply #183 - Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:45pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:43pm:
The greens need to hire bear grylls to give them a makeover.
They all look like presbyterians off to sunday school

Is that who Tony models his brains on?
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Reply #184 - Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:45pm
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:14pm:
John Smith wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 7:53pm:
I can't be bothered reading throught 11 pages

I had a training course to attend today and am not up to date,

can anyone fill me in on whether Morrison has been sacked yet?


No, JS, we’re leaving the grown-ups in charge for a bit.

With any luck, Mr Morrison will take out a few more. It’s a policy of deterrence, you see.

Breach our borders, and we lock you up in another country and have them beat you to death.

This is "progress".


Cheers Karnal ... thank god the grown ups are in charge  Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #185 - Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:45pm
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:38pm:
Grendel wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:37pm:
First of all, what is arranged with PNG was arranged by Labor.http://www.ozpolitic.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/right.gif
Then you can't have it both ways... Morrison has been condemned for not passing on information or not passing it on fast enough...
This time he passes on what he has as soon as he gets it and is condemned for doing so because the information is inaccurate. :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
What a hypocritical bunch of whining loons the Progressive Left are.

As for Sarah Hanson-Dumb... her Green/ALP policies saw thousands die... perhaps she should be put up against a wall and shot for crimes against humanity. :roll:


The mighty grendel, as always with some very intelligent things to say Grin


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Reply #186 - Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:46pm
 
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How soon we forget...  I recall several reports in the past about aggression towards fellow detainees.

Let me guess, your mates in the department have determined majority of cases?
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Reply #187 - Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:46pm
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:12pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:03pm:
adelcrow wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 7:18pm:
It looks like Morrison's paid thugs dragged hiding asylum seekers out of their rooms and the camp's gym and took turns at beating them with clubs and metal posts as well as stomping on their heads...Yep..Morrison must resign and there must be an investigation into his secrecy, lies and thuggery.


If they didn't riot would this have happened,what should the response be for people who riot?

Perhaps if the leftists put respect for humanity before respect for ancient beliefs then there would be no asylum seekers from Iran.


Life under the ruling Mullah's in Iran,why do leftists stick up for Islam?

nice music-






Which "leftists" stick up for Iran?  What would you have the world do? Nuke Iran?

Sure, problems exist, and I wholeheartedly agree that the best outcome can only come from stability in those regions.  But while there is no stability, if refugees come, we have an obligation. And that's the part you seem to conveniently ignore.

And as for refugees rioting - you try being persecuted, escaping, then landing in mandatory indefinite detention. See how long you last.


I said stick up for Islam, Iran has been ruled by the Islamic regime since the Islamic revolution in 1979.

Kat is a green supporter and many other leftists have called me a xenophobic racist bigoted Islamophobe for being critical of Islam,you never hear the morally bankrupt leftists calling critics of christianity christianophobes or bigots do you?

The Iranians dont want to flee they want to get rid of the Islamic regime, when dopey leftists put respect for ancient beliefs before respect for humanity it makes it harder for them to force changes.
If christians ruled anywhere the leftists would be squealing like stuck pigs yet they are silent about Islamic rule despite the many calls by muslims for sharia law in Australia.

The Iranian's are easy to sort out if they are genuine refugees, a muslim is not a genuine refugee yet the death penalty for leaving Islam makes Iranian non muslims genuine refugees.
Ask them if they prefer Cyrus the Great who abolished slavery around 530BC and Mossadegh or that pedophile warlord called Mohammad and you will get your answer on whether they are genuine refugees.

Iran is building a nuclear bomb, muslims have a long history of blowing stuff up with bombs, why would you build an expensive to maintain nuclear bomb if you have no intention of using it.
Iran funds Hezbollah (party of god) , is their god a terrorist?

They are not under indefinite mandatory detention but then you cannot expect honesty from the loopy green nutjobs.

So the greens are all for rioting if you dont get your way, sounds like the greens are intolerant of people who do not agree with them.




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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.
 
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Reply #188 - Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:46pm
 
Grendel wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:37pm:
First of all, what is arranged with PNG was arranged by Labor.
Then you can't have it both ways... Morrison has been condemned for not passing on information or not passing it on fast enough...
This time he passes on what he has as soon as he gets it and is condemned for doing so because the information is inaccurate. :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
What a hypocritical bunch of whining loons the Progressive Left are.

As for Sarah Hanson-Dumb... her Green/ALP policies saw thousands die... perhaps she should be put up against a wall and shot for crimes against humanity. :roll:


Morrison is not being criticised for passing on information quickly, he is being criticised for lying ... there is a difference. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #189 - Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:48pm
 
viewpoint wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:28pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 7:53pm:
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 7:36pm:
Morrison's going no-where.
He's still the most effective Immigration Minister this country has had since Alexander Downer.
Hear Hear!

'Effective,' hey.?  That is what you call a bloke who has lied to us about the death of a human being whose safety he guaranteed.  You have a odd view of what I would call 'effective.'
The boats have stopped buddy, and you are being a drama queen.

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The Greens will just have to suck this one up I'm afraid.
Their still getting over Morrison stopping the foreign criminal people smuggling trade.
The Greens, yes more drama queens.......yes and queens.

Ya see, right there, you demonstrate your ignorance of relevance (apart from grammar.....*they're.*)
Childish.

This is not about how Morrison is requiring our Navy to act illegally.............(and I'm happy to take you to task on that) ~ it is about what a lying piece of crap he is, and his failure to keep his guarantee that people within his detention centre would be safe.
You are demonising for the sake of demonising not proffering anything logical, and obviously your concern is an act. No Academy Award.



The boats have not stopped.  They are still coming as Morrison admits.  They are being dealt with illegally to prevent them arriving in Australia, and there is no doubt about that.

I am trying to stay out of the emotive stuff, and I am neither demonising nor praising.  I am stating fact.

1.  Morrison lied about where this person was killed in a most vital material aspect.

2.  Morrison failed to keep his self proclaimed guarantee to keep safe people in his detention centre.

Westminster System says.....he must resign.
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Reply #190 - Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:49pm
 
Aussie wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 6:36pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 6:23pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:31pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:24pm:
"Progressive" thinking:

1 dead asylum seeker under the Liberals = Go crazy, bonkers, and nuts.

1,000 dead asylum seekers under Labor = She'll be right, mate!


Something doesn't compute.



Yeas, that is clear in your case.

Those who drowned at sea were not in our detention centres, run by us, and where we have a duty of care to ensure the safety of those in our care/detention.

In fact, Morrison guarantees the safety of those in detention so long as they remain inside the centres.



Selective compassion eh. Doesn't sound very progressive.


Not trying to be either compassionate or progressive ~ quite the opposite.  I am trying, as best I can, to stick to facts.

(a) Morrison lied about where the deceased was killed.  He has confessed.

(b) Morrison failed to deliver on his guarantee that refugees who remain inside the detention would be safe from harm.

Morrison must resign according to the Westminster System of Ministerial responsibility.  If he does not, then the same System provides that the PM sacks him.

The alternative is that Australia declares itself no longer responsive to that System.  I'm fine with that, but until this Government makes that repudiation, it ought to abide by its fundamental principles.


Please pardon me for being skeptical when this accountability for deaths were non-existent under Labor.
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Reply #191 - Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:52pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:31pm:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:12pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:03pm:
adelcrow wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 7:18pm:
It looks like Morrison's paid thugs dragged hiding asylum seekers out of their rooms and the camp's gym and took turns at beating them with clubs and metal posts as well as stomping on their heads...Yep..Morrison must resign and there must be an investigation into his secrecy, lies and thuggery.


If they didn't riot would this have happened,what should the response be for people who riot?

Perhaps if the leftists put respect for humanity before respect for ancient beliefs then there would be no asylum seekers from Iran.


Life under the ruling Mullah's in Iran,why do leftists stick up for Islam?

nice music-






Which "leftists" stick up for Iran?  What would you have the world do? Nuke Iran?

Sure, problems exist, and I wholeheartedly agree that the best outcome can only come from stability in those regions.  But while there is no stability, if refugees come, we have an obligation. And that's the part you seem to conveniently ignore.

And as for refugees rioting - you try being persecuted, escaping, then landing in mandatory indefinite detention. See how long you last.


theres no stability because the arabs hate the persians. they hate them more than the jews.
so lets import arabs and persians so they can fight it out here.

next thing you know australia will be importing sengalese and tamils.  no.... no one could be that f^^king stupid


True, dear. Sengalese are Africans.

Sri Lankans speak Sinhalese.
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Please pardon me for being skeptical when this accountability for deaths were non-existent under Labor.


No-one, during Labor's reign, was murdered while in detention under the guaranteed protection of the Australian Government.
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Reply #193 - Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:56pm
 
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I said stick up for Islam, Iran has been ruled by the Islamic regime since the Islamic revolution in 1979.

Kat is a green supporter and many other leftists have called me a xenophobic racist bigoted Islamophobe for being critical of Islam,you never hear the morally bankrupt leftists calling critics of christianity christianophobes or bigots do you?

The Iranians dont want to flee they want to get rid of the Islamic regime, when dopey leftists put respect for ancient beliefs before respect for humanity it makes it harder for them to force changes.
If christians ruled anywhere the leftists would be squealing like stuck pigs yet they are silent about Islamic rule despite the many calls by muslims for sharia law in Australia.

The Iranian's are easy to sort out if they are genuine refugees, a muslim is not a genuine refugee yet the death penalty for leaving Islam makes Iranian non muslims genuine refugees.
Ask them if they prefer Cyrus the Great who abolished slavery around 530BC and Mossadegh or that pedophile warlord called Mohammad and you will get your answer on whether they are genuine refugees.

Iran is building a nuclear bomb, muslims have a long history of blowing stuff up with bombs, why would you build an expensive to maintain nuclear bomb if you have no intention of using it.
Iran funds Hezbollah (party of god) , is their god a terrorist?

They are not under indefinite mandatory detention but then you cannot expect honesty from the loopy green nutjobs.

So the greens are all for rioting if you dont get your way, sounds like the greens are intolerant of people who do not agree with them.



Oh my, seems the religious nutter has come out.  How's this: Islam is fracked. Christianity is fracked. Religion and nationalism are very much historically the cause of many evil, and are fracked.

Any state that support Sharia law is fracked.
Any state that encourages the idea that men and women aren't equal is fracked.
Any state where religion has resulted in poverty is fracked.

There.

as for blowing up stuff. Let's just say, that there is no excuse for Iran needing a nuclear bomb. And muslims, like man kind, have a long history of blowing stuff up with bombs.  That includes ALL man kind, with muslims being a sub-section of mankind. Cool? 

Hmm what else you go in there. Oh yes, once again, there is instability in these regions. But rather than talk about religion, which is the cause of the instability, like ALL religion (and nationalism) is the cause of instability, let's look at it from the perspective that until such time as this world RIDS itself of those things that make us "different", or until at least we segregate ourselves enough where needed, there will be those poeple that are persecuted.  And unlike you, I won't make this a debate about RELIGION, but rather a debate about the fact that WHILE INSTABILITY EXISTS, PERSECUTED PEOPLE NEED TO BE HELPED, AS PER OUR OBLIGATION UNDER THE REFUGEE CONVENTION.

I hope that is as SIMPLE as one can make it.

And 5 years/indefinite/ it's basically the same when it comes to the fact that we are denigrating people who we are obliged to help.

And you clearly missed the point on the rioting. But it's okay, I didn't expect someone who clearly believes in one religion better than another to ever comprehend anything that is slightly more complex than a fable.
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Reply #194 - Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:56pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:49pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 6:36pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 6:23pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:31pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:24pm:
"Progressive" thinking:

1 dead asylum seeker under the Liberals = Go crazy, bonkers, and nuts.

1,000 dead asylum seekers under Labor = She'll be right, mate!


Something doesn't compute.



Yeas, that is clear in your case.

Those who drowned at sea were not in our detention centres, run by us, and where we have a duty of care to ensure the safety of those in our care/detention.

In fact, Morrison guarantees the safety of those in detention so long as they remain inside the centres.



Selective compassion eh. Doesn't sound very progressive.


Not trying to be either compassionate or progressive ~ quite the opposite.  I am trying, as best I can, to stick to facts.

(a) Morrison lied about where the deceased was killed.  He has confessed.

(b) Morrison failed to deliver on his guarantee that refugees who remain inside the detention would be safe from harm.

Morrison must resign according to the Westminster System of Ministerial responsibility.  If he does not, then the same System provides that the PM sacks him.

The alternative is that Australia declares itself no longer responsive to that System.  I'm fine with that, but until this Government makes that repudiation, it ought to abide by its fundamental principles.


Please pardon me for being skeptical when this accountability for deaths were non-existent under Labor.



Well, yes. Because Labor didn't kill anyone.

And please don't try to play the 'but they drowned' guilt-trip card.

That was not the fault of Labor, no matter how hard you try to spin it otherwise.
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