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Reply #195 - Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:57pm
 
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Please pardon me for being skeptical when this accountability for deaths were non-existent under Labor.


No-one, during Labor's reign, was murdered while in detention under the guaranteed protection of the Australian Government.


True, let's sweep the thousand deaths under carpet. They're not worth our time.
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Reply #196 - Feb 24th, 2014 at 9:00pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:46pm:
 
I said stick up for Islam, Iran has been ruled by the Islamic regime since the Islamic revolution in 1979.

Kat is a green supporter
and many other leftists have called me a xenophobic racist bigoted Islamophobe for being critical of Islam,you never hear the morally bankrupt leftists calling critics of christianity christianophobes or bigots do you?

The Iranians dont want to flee they want to get rid of the Islamic regime, when dopey leftists put respect for ancient beliefs before respect for humanity it makes it harder for them to force changes.
If christians ruled anywhere the leftists would be squealing like stuck pigs yet they are silent about Islamic rule despite the many calls by muslims for sharia law in Australia.

The Iranian's are easy to sort out if they are genuine refugees, a muslim is not a genuine refugee yet the death penalty for leaving Islam makes Iranian non muslims genuine refugees.
Ask them if they prefer Cyrus the Great who abolished slavery around 530BC and Mossadegh or that pedophile warlord called Mohammad and you will get your answer on whether they are genuine refugees.

Iran is building a nuclear bomb, muslims have a long history of blowing stuff up with bombs, why would you build an expensive to maintain nuclear bomb if you have no intention of using it.
Iran funds Hezbollah (party of god) , is their god a terrorist?

They are not under indefinite mandatory detention but then you cannot expect honesty from the loopy green nutjobs.

So the greens are all for rioting if you dont get your way, sounds like the greens are intolerant of people who do not agree with them.




Really?

That's news to me.
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Reply #197 - Feb 24th, 2014 at 9:01pm
 
Kat wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:56pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:49pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 6:36pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 6:23pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:31pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:24pm:
"Progressive" thinking:

1 dead asylum seeker under the Liberals = Go crazy, bonkers, and nuts.

1,000 dead asylum seekers under Labor = She'll be right, mate!


Something doesn't compute.



Yeas, that is clear in your case.

Those who drowned at sea were not in our detention centres, run by us, and where we have a duty of care to ensure the safety of those in our care/detention.

In fact, Morrison guarantees the safety of those in detention so long as they remain inside the centres.



Selective compassion eh. Doesn't sound very progressive.


Not trying to be either compassionate or progressive ~ quite the opposite.  I am trying, as best I can, to stick to facts.

(a) Morrison lied about where the deceased was killed.  He has confessed.

(b) Morrison failed to deliver on his guarantee that refugees who remain inside the detention would be safe from harm.

Morrison must resign according to the Westminster System of Ministerial responsibility.  If he does not, then the same System provides that the PM sacks him.

The alternative is that Australia declares itself no longer responsive to that System.  I'm fine with that, but until this Government makes that repudiation, it ought to abide by its fundamental principles.


Please pardon me for being skeptical when this accountability for deaths were non-existent under Labor.



Well, yes. Because Labor didn't kill anyone.

And please don't try to play the 'but they drowned' guilt-trip card.

That was not the fault of Labor, no matter how hard you try to spin it otherwise.


Well, they can be linked if we play Aussie's game. Aussie is trying his best to blame Morrison even though he's a number of steps away from the cause and effect sequences that led to the bloke's death. An argument can be mounted that Labor are also implicated in the 1,000 deaths through cause and effect.
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Reply #198 - Feb 24th, 2014 at 9:01pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:57pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:53pm:
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Please pardon me for being skeptical when this accountability for deaths were non-existent under Labor.


No-one, during Labor's reign, was murdered while in detention under the guaranteed protection of the Australian Government.


True, let's sweep the thousand deaths under carpet. They're not worth our time.


so the 750 drownings under Howard are now Howards fault?  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

f#ck me, you people get dumber with every sock
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Reply #199 - Feb 24th, 2014 at 9:02pm
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:46pm:
Grendel wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:44pm:
How soon we forget...  I recall several reports in the past about aggression towards fellow detainees.

Let me guess, your mates in the department have determined majority of cases?

Unlike you apparently I follow politics and current affairs in Australia.
I recall it being reported that on Christmas island some detainees were being bashed and they had to split these groups up by putting an ocean between them. 
I guess you are ignorant of that eh or just forgot...  which is it? Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy
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Reply #200 - Feb 24th, 2014 at 9:04pm
 
Aussie wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:53pm:
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Please pardon me for being skeptical when this accountability for deaths were non-existent under Labor.


No-one, during Labor's reign, was murdered while in detention under the guaranteed protection of the Australian Government.

Well they are lucky they lost the last election Gunga...  otherwise you'd be blaming them right? Grin Grin Grin Grin
maybe not hey  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #201 - Feb 24th, 2014 at 9:05pm
 
John Smith wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 9:01pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:57pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:53pm:
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Please pardon me for being skeptical when this accountability for deaths were non-existent under Labor.


No-one, during Labor's reign, was murdered while in detention under the guaranteed protection of the Australian Government.


True, let's sweep the thousand deaths under carpet. They're not worth our time.


so the 750 drownings under Howard are now Howards fault?  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

f#ck me, you people get dumber with every sock


I am not a sock, clown. I've been here for about 4 years.


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Reply #202 - Feb 24th, 2014 at 9:09pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:57pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:53pm:
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Please pardon me for being skeptical when this accountability for deaths were non-existent under Labor.


No-one, during Labor's reign, was murdered while in detention under the guaranteed protection of the Australian Government.


True, let's sweep the thousand deaths under carpet. They're not worth our time.


That is not the subject of this Thread which is about Ministerial Responsibility under the Westminster System.  I can understand why you are anxious (cods like) NOT to discuss the Topic, but you will not draw me to your red herring irrelevancies.
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Reply #203 - Feb 24th, 2014 at 9:09pm
 
Aussie wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 9:09pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:57pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:53pm:
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Please pardon me for being skeptical when this accountability for deaths were non-existent under Labor.


No-one, during Labor's reign, was murdered while in detention under the guaranteed protection of the Australian Government.


True, let's sweep the thousand deaths under carpet. They're not worth our time.


That is not the subject of this Thread which is about Ministerial Responsibility under the Westminster System.  I can understand why you are anxious (cods like) NOT to discuss the Topic, but you will not draw me to your red herring irrelevancies.


Bringing in similar cases is relevant to the discussion.
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Reply #204 - Feb 24th, 2014 at 9:16pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 9:01pm:
Kat wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:56pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:49pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 6:36pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 6:23pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:31pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:24pm:
"Progressive" thinking:

1 dead asylum seeker under the Liberals = Go crazy, bonkers, and nuts.

1,000 dead asylum seekers under Labor = She'll be right, mate!


Something doesn't compute.



Yeas, that is clear in your case.

Those who drowned at sea were not in our detention centres, run by us, and where we have a duty of care to ensure the safety of those in our care/detention.

In fact, Morrison guarantees the safety of those in detention so long as they remain inside the centres.



Selective compassion eh. Doesn't sound very progressive.


Not trying to be either compassionate or progressive ~ quite the opposite.  I am trying, as best I can, to stick to facts.

(a) Morrison lied about where the deceased was killed.  He has confessed.

(b) Morrison failed to deliver on his guarantee that refugees who remain inside the detention would be safe from harm.

Morrison must resign according to the Westminster System of Ministerial responsibility.  If he does not, then the same System provides that the PM sacks him.

The alternative is that Australia declares itself no longer responsive to that System.  I'm fine with that, but until this Government makes that repudiation, it ought to abide by its fundamental principles.


Please pardon me for being skeptical when this accountability for deaths were non-existent under Labor.



Well, yes. Because Labor didn't kill anyone.

And please don't try to play the 'but they drowned' guilt-trip card.

That was not the fault of Labor, no matter how hard you try to spin it otherwise.


Well, they can be linked if we play Aussie's game. Aussie is trying his best to blame Morrison even though he's a number of steps away from the cause and effect sequences that led to the bloke's death. An argument can be mounted that Labor are also implicated in the 1,000 deaths through cause and effect.


Misty, this really isn't that hard to understand. Is the government responsible for a death that occurs under their care? Yes or no?
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Reply #205 - Feb 24th, 2014 at 9:17pm
 
Grendel wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 9:04pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:53pm:
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Please pardon me for being skeptical when this accountability for deaths were non-existent under Labor.


No-one, during Labor's reign, was murdered while in detention under the guaranteed protection of the Australian Government.

Well they are lucky they lost the last election Gunga...  otherwise you'd be blaming them right? Grin Grin Grin Grin
maybe not hey  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Yes, if they were in power and the death occurred id be blaming them.
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Reply #206 - Feb 24th, 2014 at 9:18pm
 
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Well, they can be linked if we play Aussie's game. Aussie is trying his best to blame Morrison even though he's a number of steps away from the cause and effect sequences that led to the bloke's death. An argument can be mounted that Labor are also implicated in the 1,000 deaths through cause and effect.


It is very simple.

1.  Morrison lied about a most vital and material aspect of the circumstances in which this human being was killed.  Fact.

2.  Morrison has told us that there is a guarantee that every refugee who remains inside his detention centre will be safe.  He clearly (by his own confession) failed and a person lost their life under his direct Ministerial protection and detention.

That's when the Westminster System (the one our Government works under) kicks in.....and he resigns.
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Reply #207 - Feb 24th, 2014 at 9:18pm
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:52pm:
aquascoot wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:31pm:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:12pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:03pm:
adelcrow wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 7:18pm:
It looks like Morrison's paid thugs dragged hiding asylum seekers out of their rooms and the camp's gym and took turns at beating them with clubs and metal posts as well as stomping on their heads...Yep..Morrison must resign and there must be an investigation into his secrecy, lies and thuggery.


If they didn't riot would this have happened,what should the response be for people who riot?

Perhaps if the leftists put respect for humanity before respect for ancient beliefs then there would be no asylum seekers from Iran.


Life under the ruling Mullah's in Iran,why do leftists stick up for Islam?

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Which "leftists" stick up for Iran?  What would you have the world do? Nuke Iran?

Sure, problems exist, and I wholeheartedly agree that the best outcome can only come from stability in those regions.  But while there is no stability, if refugees come, we have an obligation. And that's the part you seem to conveniently ignore.

And as for refugees rioting - you try being persecuted, escaping, then landing in mandatory indefinite detention. See how long you last.


theres no stability because the arabs hate the persians. they hate them more than the jews.
so lets import arabs and persians so they can fight it out here.

next thing you know australia will be importing sengalese and tamils.  no.... no one could be that f^^king stupid


True, dear. Sengalese are Africans.

Sri Lankans speak Sinhalese.


See, I told you you're too smart to be a leftie.
Were you raised by righties perhaps
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Reply #208 - Feb 24th, 2014 at 9:18pm
 
Grendel wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 9:02pm:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:46pm:
Grendel wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:44pm:
How soon we forget...  I recall several reports in the past about aggression towards fellow detainees.

Let me guess, your mates in the department have determined majority of cases?

Unlike you apparently I follow politics and current affairs in Australia.
I recall it being reported that on Christmas island some detainees were being bashed and they had to split these groups up by putting an ocean between them. 
I guess you are ignorant of that eh or just forgot...  which is it? Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy

I don't have mates in the immigration department Grendel Sad not like u Sad
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Reply #209 - Feb 24th, 2014 at 9:21pm
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:56pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:46pm:
I said stick up for Islam, Iran has been ruled by the Islamic regime since the Islamic revolution in 1979.

Kat is a green supporter and many other leftists have called me a xenophobic racist bigoted Islamophobe for being critical of Islam,you never hear the morally bankrupt leftists calling critics of christianity christianophobes or bigots do you?

The Iranians dont want to flee they want to get rid of the Islamic regime, when dopey leftists put respect for ancient beliefs before respect for humanity it makes it harder for them to force changes.
If christians ruled anywhere the leftists would be squealing like stuck pigs yet they are silent about Islamic rule despite the many calls by muslims for sharia law in Australia.

The Iranian's are easy to sort out if they are genuine refugees, a muslim is not a genuine refugee yet the death penalty for leaving Islam makes Iranian non muslims genuine refugees.
Ask them if they prefer Cyrus the Great who abolished slavery around 530BC and Mossadegh or that pedophile warlord called Mohammad and you will get your answer on whether they are genuine refugees.

Iran is building a nuclear bomb, muslims have a long history of blowing stuff up with bombs, why would you build an expensive to maintain nuclear bomb if you have no intention of using it.
Iran funds Hezbollah (party of god) , is their god a terrorist?

They are not under indefinite mandatory detention but then you cannot expect honesty from the loopy green nutjobs.

So the greens are all for rioting if you dont get your way, sounds like the greens are intolerant of people who do not agree with them.



Oh my, seems the religious nutter has come out.  How's this: Islam is fracked. Christianity is fracked. Religion and nationalism are very much historically the cause of many evil, and are fracked.

Any state that support Sharia law is fracked.
Any state that encourages the idea that men and women aren't equal is fracked.
Any state where religion has resulted in poverty is fracked.

There.

as for blowing up stuff. Let's just say, that there is no excuse for Iran needing a nuclear bomb. And muslims, like man kind, have a long history of blowing stuff up with bombs.  That includes ALL man kind, with muslims being a sub-section of mankind. Cool? 

Hmm what else you go in there. Oh yes, once again, there is instability in these regions. But rather than talk about religion, which is the cause of the instability, like ALL religion (and nationalism) is the cause of instability, let's look at it from the perspective that until such time as this world RIDS itself of those things that make us "different", or until at least we segregate ourselves enough where needed, there will be those poeple that are persecuted.  And unlike you, I won't make this a debate about RELIGION, but rather a debate about the fact that WHILE INSTABILITY EXISTS, PERSECUTED PEOPLE NEED TO BE HELPED, AS PER OUR OBLIGATION UNDER THE REFUGEE CONVENTION.

I hope that is as SIMPLE as one can make it.

And 5 years/indefinite/ it's basically the same when it comes to the fact that we are denigrating people who we are obliged to help.

And you clearly missed the point on the rioting. But it's okay, I didn't expect someone who clearly believes in one religion better than another to ever comprehend anything that is slightly more complex than a fable.


You said there was instability in the Area, who are Iran at war with, why is Iran unstable please enlighten us?

The only people suffering persecution in Iran are atheists who get hanged, the christians are also persecuted only if they have converted from Islam.

I think all religions are bullshit, the christians stopped whacking heretics hundreds of years ago and 13 Islamic countries have the death penalty for thought crimes (leaving Islam) in 2014.

Syria is a religious war between rival sects of Islam, the sunni think the shia are deviant heretics and paybacks from the shia can be a real bitch.

Tell us why Iran and Pakistan are unstable, who are they at war with?


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