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Reply #105 - Mar 13^th, 2014 at 5:01pm

red baron wrote on Mar 13^th, 2014 at 9:30am:

No boats

No drownings

Starting to get the Labor foul up Manus Island sorted

Seems like everything is working swingingly

Boats are still coming.

That is why the Navy is still out there towing them back

The only thing that has stopped is the information from our government.

Just because the government is keeping secrets from you - doesn't mean that the asylum seekers have magically disappeared.

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Reply #106 - Mar 13^th, 2014 at 5:03pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 13^th, 2014 at 9:18am:

Also, you'll note in the story your action group provided a link to, that as soon as the illegals spotted a Navy vessel, they immediately went about sabotaging the boat. The Navy tried to fix the boat, but it was beyond repair. They were then put into the lifeboat and the Indonesian crew in the lifeboat chose the most remote spot they could find to land the lifeboat. Can't have potential new customers seeing them return with a boat full of passengers following a failed voyage! They claim that three died, but have no way of proving that. It's likely another lie.

Who are these "illegals" you are talking about?

What are they doing that is "illegal"?

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Re: Abbott must sack Morrison: Greens
Reply #108 - Mar 13^th, 2014 at 5:54pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 13^th, 2014 at 5:11pm:

red baron wrote on Mar 13^th, 2014 at 9:30am:

No boats

Seems like everything is working swingingly

so why are the Navy and customs out there? ..... Cheesy

Patrolling the area of course.
You forget long range radar wont pick up wooden hulled boats.
They have no choice but to patrol.

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"Another boat, another policy failure from the Howard government"

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Re: Abbott must sack Morrison: Greens
Reply #109 - Mar 13^th, 2014 at 5:59pm

rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 13^th, 2014 at 5:01pm:

red baron wrote on Mar 13^th, 2014 at 9:30am:

No boats

No drownings

Starting to get the Labor foul up Manus Island sorted

Seems like everything is working swingingly

Boats are still coming.

That is why the Navy is still out there towing them back

The only thing that has stopped is the information from our government.

Just because the government is keeping secrets from you - doesn't mean that the asylum seekers have magically disappeared.

You mean the only thing that has stopped is the information from our government about the boats that aren't arriving surely.
You usually believe in conspiracy theories?
If country shoppers were secretively being sent to Manus or Nauru, reports from individuals would have been sent to Australian media sources one way or the other.
If country shoppers were secretively being sent back to Indonesia, reports from Indonesian media or their government would have been sent.
It must be hard not being able to accept that the Coalition's policy works.

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"Another boat, another policy failure from the Howard government"

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Re: Abbott must sack Morrison: Greens
Reply #110 - Mar 14^th, 2014 at 8:45am

rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 13^th, 2014 at 5:03pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 13^th, 2014 at 9:18am:

Also, you'll note in the story your action group provided a link to, that as soon as the illegals spotted a Navy vessel, they immediately went about sabotaging the boat. The Navy tried to fix the boat, but it was beyond repair. They were then put into the lifeboat and the Indonesian crew in the lifeboat chose the most remote spot they could find to land the lifeboat. Can't have potential new customers seeing them return with a boat full of passengers following a failed voyage! They claim that three died, but have no way of proving that. It's likely another lie.

Who are these "illegals" you are talking about?

What are they doing that is "illegal"?

You know!

Oh, and I love how you continue to focus on what these people are called rather than fixing Labor's monumental policy failure.

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Armchair_Politician Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26280 Gender:	Re: Abbott must sack Morrison: Greens Reply #111 - Mar 14^th, 2014 at 8:46am John Smith wrote on Mar 13^th, 2014 at 5:11pm: red baron wrote on Mar 13^th, 2014 at 9:30am: No boats Seems like everything is working swingingly so why are the Navy and customs out there? ..... Yeah, lets just pack up and go home and let them start coming again when no one is out there to deter them!
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Re: Abbott must sack Morrison: Greens
Reply #112 - Mar 14^th, 2014 at 10:44am

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 13^th, 2014 at 5:59pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 13^th, 2014 at 5:01pm:

red baron wrote on Mar 13^th, 2014 at 9:30am:

No boats

No drownings

Starting to get the Labor foul up Manus Island sorted

Seems like everything is working swingingly

Boats are still coming.

That is why the Navy is still out there towing them back

The only thing that has stopped is the information from our government.

Just because the government is keeping secrets from you - doesn't mean that the asylum seekers have magically disappeared.

You mean the only thing that has stopped is the information from our government about the boats that aren't arriving surely.
You usually believe in conspiracy theories?
If country shoppers were secretively being sent to Manus or Nauru, reports from individuals would have been sent to Australian media sources one way or the other.
If country shoppers were secretively being sent back to Indonesia, reports from Indonesian media or their government would have been sent.
It must be hard not being able to accept that the Coalition's policy works.

Boats are being towed to Indonesia:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-08/asylum-seekers-on-boats-turned-back-to-ind...
http://media.smh.com.au/news/world-news/asylum-seeker-boat-towed-back-to-indones...
https://sslcam.news.com.au/cam/authorise?channel=pc&url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.theaust...
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/is-the-australian-navy-turning-back-asylum-seeker...
http://tribune.com.pk/story/675978/australia-turns-away-asylum-seekers-to-indone...
http://www.arabnews.com/news/531946

So - let's get this straight. All this hand-wringing about people in boats is just garbage isn't it. Boats are still coming - and being turned back. But they haven't "stopped".

They have only stopped reaching Australia. That is all you care about - isn't it. Be honest. You just want to shut your eyes to the issue of asylum seekers - so Tony's "stop the information" policy is all you need.

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Re: Abbott must sack Morrison: Greens
Reply #113 - Mar 14^th, 2014 at 11:29am

rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 14^th, 2014 at 10:44am:

They have only stopped reaching Australia. That is all you care about - isn't it. Be honest. You just want to shut your eyes to the issue of asylum seekers - so Tony's "stop the information" policy is all you need.

What's the "progressives'" solution? They have none either. Opening up the borders to anyone who wants to come here doesn't solve the issue. The root problem still occurs and all we get is the aftermath of it.

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Re: Abbott must sack Morrison: Greens
Reply #114 - Mar 14^th, 2014 at 4:55pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 14^th, 2014 at 11:29am:

rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 14^th, 2014 at 10:44am:

They have only stopped reaching Australia. That is all you care about - isn't it. Be honest. You just want to shut your eyes to the issue of asylum seekers - so Tony's "stop the information" policy is all you need.

What's the "progressives'" solution? They have none either. Opening up the borders to anyone who wants to come here doesn't solve the issue. The root problem still occurs and all we get is the aftermath of it.

Who has ever suggested "Opening up the borders to anyone who wants to come here "?!?! Telling lies doesn't solve the issue either.

Here is the Greens policy on asylum seekers:
http://greens.org.au/policies/immigration-refugees
Where does it say:
"Opening up the borders to anyone who wants to come here "?!?!

Or maybe we could even go with Clive Palmer's ideas -

Mining magnate Clive Palmer says the Federal Government should allow asylum seekers to fly to Australia to have their claims processed.

"All that needs to happen is that the Government needs to stop telling airlines and other people not to give people safe transport.

"If they come down here and if they're refugees, that's one thing. If they haven't got a legitimate claim, they can go right back on the plane the next day."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-06-30/let-asylum-seekers-fly-to-australia-palmer...

Nobody is saying - "Opening up the borders to anyone who wants to come here. You simply made that up.

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Reply #115 - Mar 14^th, 2014 at 5:09pm

rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 14^th, 2014 at 4:55pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 14^th, 2014 at 11:29am:

rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 14^th, 2014 at 10:44am:

They have only stopped reaching Australia. That is all you care about - isn't it. Be honest. You just want to shut your eyes to the issue of asylum seekers - so Tony's "stop the information" policy is all you need.

What's the "progressives'" solution? They have none either. Opening up the borders to anyone who wants to come here doesn't solve the issue. The root problem still occurs and all we get is the aftermath of it.

Who has ever suggested "Opening up the borders to anyone who wants to come here "?!?! Telling lies doesn't solve the issue either.

Here is the Greens policy on asylum seekers:
http://greens.org.au/policies/immigration-refugees
Where does it say:
"Opening up the borders to anyone who wants to come here "?!?!

Or maybe we could even go with Clive Palmer's ideas -

Mining magnate Clive Palmer says the Federal Government should allow asylum seekers to fly to Australia to have their claims processed.

"All that needs to happen is that the Government needs to stop telling airlines and other people not to give people safe transport.

"If they come down here and if they're refugees, that's one thing. If they haven't got a legitimate claim, they can go right back on the plane the next day."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-06-30/let-asylum-seekers-fly-to-australia-palmer...

Nobody is saying - "Opening up the borders to anyone who wants to come here. You simply made that up.

Any time someone makes a comment on restricting asylum seekers coming here, the "progressives" go batsh*t crazy. I can only conclude from their hysteria that they have no objection to complete open borders.

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Re: Abbott must sack Morrison: Greens
Reply #117 - Mar 14^th, 2014 at 5:18pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 14^th, 2014 at 5:09pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 14^th, 2014 at 4:55pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 14^th, 2014 at 11:29am:

rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 14^th, 2014 at 10:44am:

They have only stopped reaching Australia. That is all you care about - isn't it. Be honest. You just want to shut your eyes to the issue of asylum seekers - so Tony's "stop the information" policy is all you need.

What's the "progressives'" solution? They have none either. Opening up the borders to anyone who wants to come here doesn't solve the issue. The root problem still occurs and all we get is the aftermath of it.

Who has ever suggested "Opening up the borders to anyone who wants to come here "?!?! Telling lies doesn't solve the issue either.

Here is the Greens policy on asylum seekers:
http://greens.org.au/policies/immigration-refugees
Where does it say:
"Opening up the borders to anyone who wants to come here "?!?!

Or maybe we could even go with Clive Palmer's ideas -

Mining magnate Clive Palmer says the Federal Government should allow asylum seekers to fly to Australia to have their claims processed.

"All that needs to happen is that the Government needs to stop telling airlines and other people not to give people safe transport.

"If they come down here and if they're refugees, that's one thing. If they haven't got a legitimate claim, they can go right back on the plane the next day."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-06-30/let-asylum-seekers-fly-to-australia-palmer...

Nobody is saying - "Opening up the borders to anyone who wants to come here. You simply made that up.

Any time someone makes a comment on restricting asylum seekers coming here, the "progressives" go batsh*t crazy. I can only conclude from their hysteria that they have no objection to complete open borders.

Any time someone makes a comment that "progressives" have no objection to complete open borders, I can only conclude from their hysteria that they are completely clueless.

Now - concentrate - who exactly has ever suggested "Opening up the borders to anyone who wants to come here.

Anyone at all? Ever?

Or it that just what your xenophobia makes you "think" people are saying?

What exactly is wrong with Australia fulfilling its legal obligations under the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees in a humane and effective manner?

Where exactly in the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees does it say that we must be Opening up the borders to anyone who wants to come here???

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Re: Abbott must sack Morrison: Greens
Reply #119 - Mar 14^th, 2014 at 5:26pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 14^th, 2014 at 5:17pm:

"Progressives" never actually state a quota or number. If they do, they know they'll have to start making hard decisions on who should be rejected. They don't want to have that conversation, so they heckle from the side line toward those who do.

Are you telling lies on purpose?

Or are you just too lazy to bother to actually learn about stuff before opening your big mouth?

From the Greens website:
We will increase Australia's humanitarian intake to 30,000, which will make a difference and provide hope to people waiting.
By resettling to Australia an emergency intake of 10,000 more genuine refugees from our region, we can show refugees that there is a ‘regular’ path to a safe life.

http://greens.org.au/safer-pathways

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