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Re: Abbott must sack Morrison: Greens
Reply #90 - Mar 13^th, 2014 at 5:31am

Karnal wrote on Mar 12^th, 2014 at 8:31pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 12^th, 2014 at 5:37pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 12^th, 2014 at 12:34pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 12^th, 2014 at 7:11am:

i believe greg the peck has hacked your computer rabbitoh.

In all seriousness, the UN is a defunct organisation.
Look at Vlad in the crimea.

The UN is a bit of a joke.
I doubt even the people in the UN take it seriously.
I'll bet you that 90 % of voters in the suburbs could not name its head and would not know where its headquarters were.

Scott has our interests at heart.
He has single handedly saved the budget about $8 billion a year and about 1 life every 36 hours from drownings and he has offered hope to GENUINE refugees rotting in camps who didnt selfishly try to elbow their way to the front.

Some of that 8 billion should be used to build a statue to the chap. I would suggest a large statue of scott , in bronze, 50 metres high,holding up his arm , like a policeman signalling you to stop, and placed at the entrance to the port on christmas island.
This would be fitting

If what you say is true - then why doesn't Tony simply withdraw Australia from the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees? Then he can set up all the gulags he wants.

Until he does this though - his Ministers should be responsible for upholding Australia's legal obligations. If Morrison can't do this - he should be sacked.

Its just a convention. has about as much street cred as an Amway party. Why do a very small per centage of people think the electorate gives a f^^k about the UN. you're out of touch if you believe that. They dont.

There are only a few Australians like you describe, dearie.

Most Australians I know travel have international partners, friends and relatives, and care deeply how Australia is seen by the rest of the world.

Australia was instrumental in the establishment of both the League of Nations and the UN. Australians are very outward looking people, largely because we depend so much on foreign trade and overseas markets. We have suckled on the teat of two world powers: Mother England and Amerika, and we will never stand on our own.

We depend on institutions like the UN, APEC, the G20. Our political classes thrive on the membership of these global organizations. As a former colony, it’s in our DNA.

Provincial isolationist hayseeds are quite rare, Aquascoot. In 1901, they were the majority. Now, they make up about 16% of the population.

Sorry dear, Australians are often more in touch with international affairs than their own - far more than Amerikans. 47% of us were born, or have a parent who was born, overseas.

Australians are very sensitive about what other people think of us. We used to call this the cultural cringe. Many of us faked English accents only a few decades ago.

I’ll bet a few in your local CWA still do, dear.

No one fakes English accents where I press the flesh cobber.
I suspect you're wrong on this one.

A test.

Get Roy Morgan to put this question in his next opinion poll

"If the UN says offshore processing breaches our obligations but minister Morrison says it has reduced boat arrivals to zero, then mr Morrison must do what the UN says as UN is a higher authority than the federal government,"

I suspect 70 % will back Morrison and 30% the UN.

Thoughts

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Re: Abbott must sack Morrison: Greens
Reply #91 - Mar 13^th, 2014 at 7:49am

aquascoot wrote on Mar 12^th, 2014 at 7:34pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 12^th, 2014 at 6:45pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 12^th, 2014 at 6:38pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 12^th, 2014 at 6:26pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 12^th, 2014 at 5:57pm:

I wonder what morrisons punishment will be then.
Do tell

For what? Acting illegally?

Yep, when are the arrest warrants be issued by this "international court" of which you speak. Wink

I can't recall mentioning an 'international court.' Do you reckon Morrison has breached our obligations under that UNHCR Agreement?

when you say "our ' obligations, are you implying that everyday aussies have some sort of obligation to the UN.

The Australian government has a legally binding obligation to Conventions it is signatory to. Such as the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees

aquascoot wrote on Mar 12^th, 2014 at 7:34pm:

i dont think anyone has an obligation to the UN.

The Australian government has a legally binding obligation to Conventions it is signatory to. Such as the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees
aquascoot wrote on Mar 12^th, 2014 at 7:34pm:

its a bit like saying we have obligations to the vatican.
its a bit like saying , morrison upset the pope and he had obligations to the papacy.

Is Australia signatory to any legally binding Conventions with the Vatican?

The Australian government has a legally binding obligation to Conventions it is signatory to. Such as the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees

aquascoot wrote on Mar 12^th, 2014 at 7:34pm:

No leader of any country cares what the UN says. Its like a sort of "think tank" .

The Australian government has a legally binding obligation to Conventions it is signatory to. Such as the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees

aquascoot wrote on Mar 12^th, 2014 at 7:34pm:

Russia is on the security counsel and they are about to annex a bit of the ukraine (good for them) You think vlad cares what the UN says Wink

China is on the UN security counsel too. They enslaved tibet and kicked out the dalai llama.

Try to stay on topic

The Australian government has a legally binding obligation to Conventions it is signatory to. Such as the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees

aquascoot wrote on Mar 12^th, 2014 at 7:34pm:

You really think scotts losing any sleep over the UN Cheesy

If he is unable to ensure that Australia can comply with the legally binding obligations of the Conventions it is signatory to, such as the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees - then he is failing in his Ministerial duites and should be sacked.

And we are still waiting for an answer from you. Why doesn't Tony simply withdraw Australia from the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees? Then he can set up all the gulags he wants.

Come on - use this vast knowledge of international relations you seem to possess and try to answer that question for us. Could you do that?

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Re: Abbott must sack Morrison: Greens
Reply #92 - Mar 13^th, 2014 at 7:52am

Christine "my face looks like a pile of stinking cow sh!t" Milne should sack herself and everyone in the Greens. After all, it's their support for onshore processing under Labor that contributed to the surge in boat arrivals and thousands of deaths at sea. Under Abbott, there hasn't been a boat arrive (or sink, or people die at sea) in more than 80 days!

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Re: Abbott must sack Morrison: Greens
Reply #93 - Mar 13^th, 2014 at 7:54am

aquascoot wrote on Mar 13^th, 2014 at 5:31am:

Karnal wrote on Mar 12^th, 2014 at 8:31pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 12^th, 2014 at 5:37pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 12^th, 2014 at 12:34pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 12^th, 2014 at 7:11am:

i believe greg the peck has hacked your computer rabbitoh.

In all seriousness, the UN is a defunct organisation.
Look at Vlad in the crimea.

The UN is a bit of a joke.
I doubt even the people in the UN take it seriously.
I'll bet you that 90 % of voters in the suburbs could not name its head and would not know where its headquarters were.

Scott has our interests at heart.
He has single handedly saved the budget about $8 billion a year and about 1 life every 36 hours from drownings and he has offered hope to GENUINE refugees rotting in camps who didnt selfishly try to elbow their way to the front.

Some of that 8 billion should be used to build a statue to the chap. I would suggest a large statue of scott , in bronze, 50 metres high,holding up his arm , like a policeman signalling you to stop, and placed at the entrance to the port on christmas island.
This would be fitting

If what you say is true - then why doesn't Tony simply withdraw Australia from the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees? Then he can set up all the gulags he wants.

Until he does this though - his Ministers should be responsible for upholding Australia's legal obligations. If Morrison can't do this - he should be sacked.

Its just a convention. has about as much street cred as an Amway party. Why do a very small per centage of people think the electorate gives a f^^k about the UN. you're out of touch if you believe that. They dont.

There are only a few Australians like you describe, dearie.

Most Australians I know travel have international partners, friends and relatives, and care deeply how Australia is seen by the rest of the world.

Australia was instrumental in the establishment of both the League of Nations and the UN. Australians are very outward looking people, largely because we depend so much on foreign trade and overseas markets. We have suckled on the teat of two world powers: Mother England and Amerika, and we will never stand on our own.

We depend on institutions like the UN, APEC, the G20. Our political classes thrive on the membership of these global organizations. As a former colony, it’s in our DNA.

Provincial isolationist hayseeds are quite rare, Aquascoot. In 1901, they were the majority. Now, they make up about 16% of the population.

Sorry dear, Australians are often more in touch with international affairs than their own - far more than Amerikans. 47% of us were born, or have a parent who was born, overseas.

Australians are very sensitive about what other people think of us. We used to call this the cultural cringe. Many of us faked English accents only a few decades ago.

I’ll bet a few in your local CWA still do, dear.

No one fakes English accents where I press the flesh cobber.
I suspect you're wrong on this one.

A test.

Get Roy Morgan to put this question in his next opinion poll

"If the UN says offshore processing breaches our obligations but minister Morrison says it has reduced boat arrivals to zero, then mr Morrison must do what the UN says as UN is a higher authority than the federal government,"

I suspect 70 % will back Morrison and 30% the UN.

Thoughts

Try to follow the conversation. The UN is a not a "higher authority" than the federal government. The Federal Government has obligations under International Law to comply with the legally binding Conventions it is signatory to.

Do you think Tony should withdraw Australia from Australia from the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees? Then he and Scotty could do whatever they liked. Why hasn't he done that?

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Re: Abbott must sack Morrison: Greens
Reply #94 - Mar 13^th, 2014 at 7:56am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 13^th, 2014 at 7:52am:

Christine "my face looks like a pile of stinking cow sh!t" Milne should sack herself and everyone in the Greens. After all, it's their support for onshore processing under Labor that contributed to the surge in boat arrivals and thousands of deaths at sea. Under Abbott, there hasn't been a boat arrive (or sink, or people die at sea) in more than 80 days!

A report on news.com.au yesterday revealed asylum seekers including children and teenagers were physically shoved inside an Australian Navy lifeboat and escorted back to Indonesian waters by Border Protection Command who then abandoned them. The boat came ashore at a sparsely inhabited jungle reserve.

Three asylum seekers are reported to have died “while crossing a river in the jungle” in their attempt to seek assistance after coming ashore.

http://rac-vic.org/2014/02/01/media-release-three-asylum-seekers-dead-after-boat...

The boats are still coming. People are still dying. Your government just isn't telling you about it

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Re: Abbott must sack Morrison: Greens
Reply #95 - Mar 13^th, 2014 at 8:09am

rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 13^th, 2014 at 7:49am: