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John S Gold Member Offline Fascist Party = Liberal Party Posts: 3691 Gender:	Re: Unlikley To Support Passage Through The Senate. Reply #15 - Feb 24^th, 2014 at 7:14am How can Liberal - funded by big business - be trusted to be impartial and govern with the interests of workers in mind on workplace relations?
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Reply #16 - Feb 24^th, 2014 at 7:20am

cods wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 7:08am:

if giving someone the right to decide his own destiny is wrong

How exactly is "take our specific working conditions or get fired" a good thing. Even the Liberals have admitted workchoices is a dumb idea, and was a considerable factor in why Howard lost the 07 election.

cods wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 7:08am:

I do not recall the LIBS saying they would not do that during the election.

Something about "dead, buried and cremated'?

cods wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 7:08am:

dont forget we do not vote for these union people yet when labors in they run the show.

You didn't vote for Gina or Rupert either Cods.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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John S Gold Member Offline Fascist Party = Liberal Party Posts: 3691 Gender:	Re: Unlikley To Support Passage Through The Senate. Reply #17 - Feb 24^th, 2014 at 7:27am cods wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 7:08am: dont forget we do not vote for these union people yet when labors in they run the show. Stratos wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 7:20am: You didn't vote for Gina or Rupert either Cods. Who voted for Peta to run the show
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Redmond Neck Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 21682 ACT Gender:	Re: Unlikley To Support Passage Through The Senate. Reply #18 - Feb 24^th, 2014 at 7:34am Didnt Tony Liar say "Work Choices is dead, buried and cremated!" before the election?
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Armchair_Politician Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26252 Gender:	Re: Unlikley To Support Passage Through The Senate. Reply #19 - Feb 24^th, 2014 at 7:42am John S wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 7:14am: How can Liberal - funded by big business - be trusted to be impartial and govern with the interests of workers in mind on workplace relations? I can EASILY ask the same of Labor and Unions...
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Reply #20 - Feb 24^th, 2014 at 7:52am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 7:42am:

John S wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 7:14am:

How can Liberal - funded by big business - be trusted to be impartial and govern with the interests of workers in mind on workplace relations?

I can EASILY ask the same of Labor and Unions...

Instead of jumping in half way through a conversation read all the post and you would see where andrei ask about the labor party and unions

So who would you trust to look after worker rights big business or unions

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Reply #21 - Feb 24^th, 2014 at 7:55am

John S wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 7:52am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 7:42am:

John S wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 7:14am:

How can Liberal - funded by big business - be trusted to be impartial and govern with the interests of workers in mind on workplace relations?

I can EASILY ask the same of Labor and Unions...

Instead of jumping in half way through a conversation read all the post and you would see where andrei ask about the labor party and unions

So who would you trust to look after worker rights big business or unions

WHY CANT WORKERS LOOK OUT FOR THEMSELVES....??

SEEING AS HOW THE HSU WORKERS WERE TREATED... BY THE UNIONS......WHY WOULD THEY TRUST THEM

they were ripped off for millions wiseone.. millions they will never see again.

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Reply #22 - Feb 24^th, 2014 at 8:01am

cods wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 7:55am:

SEEING AS HOW THE HSU WORKERS WERE TREATED... BY THE UNIONS......WHY WOULD THEY TRUST THEM

most unions are fine. most unions do not have systemic corruption and stand up to deliver better conditions for workers. Corrupt ones can go and get stuffed, but that's not most of them.

cods wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 7:55am:

WHY CANT WORKERS LOOK OUT FOR THEMSELVES....??

A single worker has zero bargaining power. If they are being mistreated and go to their workplace asking for something reasonable like a pay raise in keeping with cost of living or inflation, the employer will have no trouble replacing a single worker.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #23 - Feb 24^th, 2014 at 8:17am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 6:28am:

As someone involved in the costings of workforce in varying countries - I really do have to remind you Australia is really not competitive and needs to adjust it's industrial workplace laws.

It needs greater flex in the system to respond to changing market conditions.

Blocking measures to improve your competitive edge is really quite backward thinking.

Why should we pay attention to the viewpoint of someone who has made a lot of money putting other people out of work?

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Bam Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21905 Gender:	Re: Unlikley To Support Passage Through The Senate. Reply #24 - Feb 24^th, 2014 at 8:18am cods wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 6:33am: Quote: So talk to the unions they dont want FLEXIBILITY THEY WANT CONTROL And employers don't?
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Reply #25 - Feb 24^th, 2014 at 8:18am

cods wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 6:57am:

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We know full well the coalition can not be trusted on industrial relations. Remember they were the ones, that introduced work choices ( no choices ). Sad

why.... we had to trust things like

THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVT I LEAD..

whats the difference??>.. oh thats right it was a BIG FAT LABOR LIE that makes it ok.

Have you EVER had an independent thought in your life, or is partisan slogans all you have?

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Reply #26 - Feb 24^th, 2014 at 8:20am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 6:44am:

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We know that the coalition, can not be trusted on industrial relations.

How can Labor - funded by unions - be trusted to be impartial and govern with the interests of business in mind on workplace relations?

How can Liberals - funded by employers - be trusted to be impartial and govern with the interests of workers in mind on workplace relations?

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Reply #27 - Feb 24^th, 2014 at 8:23am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 6:44am:

How can Labor - funded by unions - be trusted to be impartial and govern with the interests of business in mind on workplace relations?

John S wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 7:14am:

How can Liberal - funded by big business - be trusted to be impartial and govern with the interests of workers in mind on workplace relations?

Bam wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 8:20am:

How can Liberals - funded by employers - be trusted to be impartial and govern with the interests of workers in mind on workplace relations?

Snap!

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Bam Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21905 Gender:	Re: Unlikley To Support Passage Through The Senate. Reply #28 - Feb 24^th, 2014 at 8:26am cods wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 7:55am: WHY CANT WORKERS LOOK OUT FOR THEMSELVES....?? United workers bargain. Divided workers beg. This is why some employers do not like a level playing field in negotiations on pay and conditions.
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ImSpartacus2 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6913	Re: Unlikley To Support Passage Through The Senate. Reply #29 - Feb 24^th, 2014 at 8:36am ....
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