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Reply #30 - Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:36am
 
Kat wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:18am:
cods wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 6:57am:
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We know full well the coalition can not be trusted on industrial relations.  Remember they were the ones, that introduced work choices ( no choices ).   Sad    





why.... we had to trust things like

THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVT I LEAD..


whats the difference??>.. oh thats right it was a BIG FAT LABOR LIE that makes it ok.



Have you EVER had an independent thought in your life, or is partisan slogans all you have?
You're certainly right there Kat.  This lady is by far the biggest Oaf on this whole forum.
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Reply #31 - Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:48am
 
cods wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 7:55am:
WHY CANT WORKERS LOOK OUT FOR THEMSELVES....??


Why can't employers look after themselves but they have an Employers Association (that"s a union why not object to them).  Why cant farmers look after themselves but they have a Farmers' Federation (that"s a union why not object to them); Why can't businesspeople look after themselves but they have Chambers of Commerce all over the country (that"s a union why not object to them).  But no, this Oaf ex-worker only objects to workers organising to protect their interests. For everyone else to organise to protect their own interests that's OK by cods because that's what the Daily Telegraph  told her every morning on queue for the last 50 years.
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Reply #32 - Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:48am
 
cods wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 7:55am:
WHY CANT WORKERS LOOK OUT FOR THEMSELVES....??


Why can't employers look after themselves but they have an Employers Association (that"s a union why not object to them).  Why cant farmers look after themselves but they have a Farmers' Federation (that"s a union why not object to them); Why can't businesspeople look after themselves but they have Chambers of Commerce all over the country (that"s a union why not object to them).  But no, this Oaf ex-worker only objects to workers organising to protect their interests. For everyone else to organise to protect their own interests that's OK by cods because that's what the Daily Telegraph  told her every morning on queue for the last 50 years.
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Reply #33 - Feb 24th, 2014 at 9:04am
 
I have spent my whole life without a union and the SMALLEST company I worked for was $7bn in revenue.
Daunting eh?????? LOL.

Well if you believe the men 20 years older than me who need to behind somebody else to their bidding.

Jeez what a bunch of men eh?

Can't negotiate without a union. Pathetic.
I did it when I was 23... It really ain't hard.
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Reply #34 - Feb 24th, 2014 at 9:17am
 
It ain't  hard until they say, sorry your not getting that.?.      Sad
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Reply #35 - Feb 24th, 2014 at 9:25am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 9:04am:
I have spent my whole life without a union and the SMALLEST company I worked for was $7bn in revenue.
Daunting eh?????? LOL.

Well if you believe the men 20 years older than me who need to behind somebody else to their bidding.

Jeez what a bunch of men eh?

Can't negotiate without a union. Pathetic.
I did it when I was 23... It really ain't hard.

Oh what a lie this is.  You pretend you didn't go into your first negotiation meeting with your old school tie and a mountain of connections to get you by.  You don't like unions because it means you cant bully workers one by one.  Its funny how these people understand the very fundamentals of politics but when their interests depend on it they will swear to your face that there is no such principle as divide and conquer.  And when you walk into that bosses office you can be sure its not just the boss and you (and for Andrei to pretend otherwise is just another lie).  Its the boss and his personnel staff and his lawyers and his accountants. Your right Andrei. You people are just pathetic
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Reply #36 - Feb 24th, 2014 at 9:25am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 9:04am:
I have spent my whole life without a union and the SMALLEST company I worked for was $7bn in revenue.
Daunting eh?????? LOL.

Well if you believe the men 20 years older than me who need to behind somebody else to their bidding.

Jeez what a bunch of men eh?

Can't negotiate without a union. Pathetic.
I did it when I was 23... It really ain't hard.

Oh what a lie this is.  You pretend you didn't go into your first negotiation meeting with your old school tie and a mountain of connections to get you by.  You don't like unions because it means you cant bully workers one by one.  Its funny how these people understand the very fundamentals of politics but when their interests depend on it they will swear to your face that there is no such principle as divide and conquer.  And when you walk into that bosses office you can be sure its not just the boss and you (and for Andrei to pretend otherwise is just another lie).  Its the boss and his personnel staff and his lawyers and his accountants. Your right Andrei. You people are just pathetic
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Reply #37 - Feb 24th, 2014 at 9:33am
 
Good old union bashing and selective quoting what Gillard said before the 2010 election.

Unions are at an all time low. I believe the simian & co wanted to destroy the car industry and SPC Ardmona to destroy the unions involved there. That is treachery.

There have been hardly any strikes—no reason to destroy the unions that are really more bargaining agents except in construction where lack of worker safety is a major concern of unions.
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Reply #38 - Feb 24th, 2014 at 9:54am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 9:04am:
I have spent my whole life without a union and the SMALLEST company I worked for was $7bn in revenue.
Daunting eh?????? LOL.

Well if you believe the men 20 years older than me who need to behind somebody else to their bidding.

Jeez what a bunch of men eh?

Can't negotiate without a union. Pathetic.
I did it when I was 23... It really ain't hard.


Your logical fallacy is anecdotal

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You used a personal experience or an isolated example instead of a sound argument or compelling evidence.

It's often much easier for people to believe someone's testimony as opposed to understanding complex data and variation across a continuum. Quantitative scientific measures are almost always more accurate than personal perceptions and experiences, but our inclination is to believe that which is tangible to us, and/or the word of someone we trust over a more 'abstract' statistical reality.
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Reply #39 - Feb 24th, 2014 at 10:04am
 
St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 9:33am:
Good old union bashing and selective quoting what Gillard said before the 2010 election.

Unions are at an all time low. I believe the simian & co wanted to destroy the car industry and SPC Ardmona to destroy the unions involved there. That is treachery.

There have been hardly any strikes—no reason to destroy the unions that are really more bargaining agents except in construction where lack of worker safety is a major concern of unions.
Bashing unions is just the first volley in their class war. The more they dirty the unions the better position they'll be in to cut wages and conditions.
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Reply #41 - Feb 24th, 2014 at 11:33am
 
Employment Minister Eric Abetz will introduce a bill into parliament this week to make it easier for workers to trade off key entitlements, including penalty rates, for more flexible working hours. The bill will also impose fresh restrictions on unions entering workplaces and limit their ability to get pay deals on new resource projects.   

Allowing Workers to choose to trade off key entitlements like including penalty rates, for more flexible working hours, is a great idea. Workers have a right to choose, nothing is wrong with that.

I also support restrictions on unions entering workplaces, its a workplace not a demonstration place, let the workers who CHOOSE to work continue to work, and have your demonstration somewhere else.

Don't forget Labor and Greens, WORKERS HAVE RIGHTS!!
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