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Re: Not one boat since December 19!
Reply #60 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:08am

Yeah—expect more and bigger blowups, more deaths. In a so–called resettlement camp that is in fact a prison where people get held indefinitely.

Funny though—despite the horrendous conditions few ask to be returned to their home country. When the monsoon season ends—HM boats will there be?

A better solution would be diplomacy which would see Indonesia refuse to accept certain nationalities, like Gillard had negotiated with Indo. Bet that is gone now—the shambles wants to be seen as tough but that facade will crack sooner or later.

Country shoppers? In our region (SE Asia) only us and Cambodia have signed the UNHCR. Cambodia can hardly look after itself yet we want them to do our job for us?

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Re: Not one boat since December 19!
Reply #61 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:08am

Rubin wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 9:49pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 8:00pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 7:47pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 7:24pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 2:08pm:

The case comes after a spate of turnbacks in recent months as the government ramped up the pressure on people smugglers and has not had a successful operation reach Australia since December 19.

So in other words, its not that boat numbers are down, its just we've changed the definitions a bit. If they don't reach Australian waters, they don't exist.

Who cares.
There not getting here and the smugglers no longer have a product to sell.
The governments policy works and that's what counts.

Surely though that depends on the message getting back to where the refugees come from

Well the Australian taxpayer isn't footing the bill for that as well.
After all, the country shoppers have a mobile phone.
And if the message doesn't get through that all illegal boat arrivals will never be resettled in Australia and that the passengers are being diddled out of 10 grand, that is hardly our problem.
And I doubt very much that the country shoppers won't be bleating like sheep calling home to tell the family where they ended up, and the family wont then tell another twenty people.

It will be interesting to see what happens when the cyclone season is over in April

Why?
So leftard bedwetters can start calling them climate change refugees Cheesy

In another month the filthy country shopping business model will be so broken it'll resemble Federal Labor after the RC into corruption of their Union business partners....dead and buried.

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Re: Not one boat since December 19!
Reply #62 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:16am

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:08am:

Yeah—expect more and bigger blowups, more deaths. In a so–called resettlement camp that is in fact a prison where people get held indefinitely.

Funny though—despite the horrendous conditions few ask to be returned to their home country. When the monsoon season ends—HM boats will there be?

A better solution would be diplomacy which would see Indonesia refuse to accept certain nationalities, like Gillard had negotiated with Indo. Bet that is gone now—the shambles wants to be seen as tough but that facade will crack sooner or later.

Country shoppers? In our region (SE Asia) only us and Cambodia have signed the UNHCR. Cambodia can hardly look after itself yet we want them to do our job for us?

Why on earth would anyone listen to this tripe? You and your leftard bedwetters gave us this problem and now you have the gall to open your mouth to criticise!

You have nothing but hate, bile and a lonely pathetic existence.

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Re: Not one boat since December 19!
Reply #63 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:21am

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:07am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:02am:

The ALP, Greens and their supporters are livid that Morrison has done what they couldn't/wouldn't do - stop the boats. Not only has he stopped the boats, he's managed to do it inside 3 months when Labor had well over 5 years to do it. That's an almighty back-handed slap in the face to the Leftards by Morrison!!! Grin

I believe members of the Labor Party have been racially abusing Morrison and threatening to rape his mother, wife and daughter. Cool

Yeah, those Leftards are all class! Angry

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Re: Not one boat since December 19!
Reply #64 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:25am

Datalife wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 7:28pm:

They have already got the plane to Indonesia, why not continue the journey by plane?

Before anyone boards a plane to fly out of the country they need a passport otherwise they are not allowed on the plane.

Now lets work through on how asylum seekers get passports.

Do they roll up to their government offices and just ask for a passport with no question ask or do the government official want to know why they want a passport, where they are going, how long they will be away etc. Don't forget they are people fleeing their country so why would they go anywhere near a government office and give them information.

Or do they cross the border into a neighboring country and get a false passport that would cost them money and is that why they throw their passports overboard when they get on the leaky boats.

Another way they could get to Indonesia without any travel documents is overland through India, Burma, Thailand etc.

Don't forget they need a visa to get into Indonesia if they fly in so where would they get a visa from.

If they got a fair dickum passport their records would be on file somewhere in their home country so why does it take so long to prove who they are then.

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Re: Not one boat since December 19!
Reply #65 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:28am

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:08am:

Yeah—expect more and bigger blowups, more deaths. In a so–called resettlement camp that is in fact a prison where people get held indefinitely.

Funny though—despite the horrendous conditions few ask to be returned to their home country. When the monsoon season ends—HM boats will there be?

A better solution would be diplomacy which would see Indonesia refuse to accept certain nationalities, like Gillard had negotiated with Indo. Bet that is gone now—the shambles wants to be seen as tough but that facade will crack sooner or later.

Country shoppers? In our region (SE Asia) only us and Cambodia have signed the UNHCR. Cambodia can hardly look after itself yet we want them to do our job for us?

Then we should un sign it so that we can share an equal standing with our neighbours.
What act of insanity led the cambodians to sign up to an elitist leftard wankfest like the UN.
Maybe they were hoping to get all the UN staffers over to the killing fields and do away with them and do the world a huge favour

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Re: Not one boat since December 19!
Reply #66 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:38am

John S wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:25am:

Datalife wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 7:28pm:

They have already got the plane to Indonesia, why not continue the journey by plane?

Before anyone boards a plane to fly out of the country they need a passport otherwise they are not allowed on the plane.

Now lets work through on how asylum seekers get passports.

Do they roll up to their government offices and just ask for a passport with no question ask or do the government official want to know why they want a passport, where they are going, how long they will be away etc. Don't forget they are people fleeing their country so why would they go anywhere near a government office and give them information.

Or do they cross the border into a neighboring country and get a false passport that would cost them money and is that why they throw their passports overboard when they get on the leaky boats.

Another way they could get to Indonesia without any travel documents is overland through India, Burma, Thailand etc.

Don't forget they need a visa to get into Indonesia if they fly in so where would they get a visa from.

If they got a fair dickum passport their records would be on file somewhere in their home country so why does it take so long to prove who they are then.

These aren't people living in abject poverty in slums! They're paying thousands of dollars to people smugglers come here. Did you not see the picture of one guy on the dock at Christmas Island decked out in an Australian cricket team one-day outfit? You also assume (wrongly) that none of these people already have a passport. What makes you think they don't already have a valid passport and need to go and buy one? What makes you think they aren't buying a fake passport on the black market? Don't forget that the passports of many of the countries these people are coming from are nowhere near as technologically advanced as ours are and therefore much, much easier to forge.

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Re: Not one boat since December 19!
Reply #67 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:44am

aquascoot wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:28am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:08am:

Yeah—expect more and bigger blowups, more deaths. In a so–called resettlement camp that is in fact a prison where people get held indefinitely.

Funny though—despite the horrendous conditions few ask to be returned to their home country. When the monsoon season ends—HM boats will there be?

A better solution would be diplomacy which would see Indonesia refuse to accept certain nationalities, like Gillard had negotiated with Indo. Bet that is gone now—the shambles wants to be seen as tough but that facade will crack sooner or later.

Country shoppers? In our region (SE Asia) only us and Cambodia have signed the UNHCR. Cambodia can hardly look after itself yet we want them to do our job for us?

Then we should un sign it so that we can share an equal standing with our neighbours.
What act of insanity led the cambodians to sign up to an elitist leftard wankfest like the UN.
Maybe they were hoping to get all the UN staffers over to the killing fields and do away with them and do the world a huge favour

Have you ever read the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees if we so call unsign it, it is 12 months before that takes affect and don't forget it was Menzies government that sign it in the first place

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Re: Not one boat since December 19!
Reply #68 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:46am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:21am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:07am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:02am:

The ALP, Greens and their supporters are livid that Morrison has done what they couldn't/wouldn't do - stop the boats. Not only has he stopped the boats, he's managed to do it inside 3 months when Labor had well over 5 years to do it. That's an almighty back-handed slap in the face to the Leftards by Morrison!!! Grin

I believe members of the Labor Party have been racially abusing Morrison and threatening to rape his mother, wife and daughter. Cool

Yeah, those Leftards are all class! Angry

Morrison has a wife and daughter!!!!
No wonder those homo loving , gay marriage loving, family hating leftards despise the bloke.
Cant we get a poof with a disability to run immigration

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Re: Not one boat since December 19!
Reply #69 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:48am

John S wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:44am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:28am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:08am:

Yeah—expect more and bigger blowups, more deaths. In a so–called resettlement camp that is in fact a prison where people get held indefinitely.

Funny though—despite the horrendous conditions few ask to be returned to their home country. When the monsoon season ends—HM boats will there be?

A better solution would be diplomacy which would see Indonesia refuse to accept certain nationalities, like Gillard had negotiated with Indo. Bet that is gone now—the shambles wants to be seen as tough but that facade will crack sooner or later.

Country shoppers? In our region (SE Asia) only us and Cambodia have signed the UNHCR. Cambodia can hardly look after itself yet we want them to do our job for us?

Then we should un sign it so that we can share an equal standing with our neighbours.
What act of insanity led the cambodians to sign up to an elitist leftard wankfest like the UN.
Maybe they were hoping to get all the UN staffers over to the killing fields and do away with them and do the world a huge favour

Have you ever read the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees if we so call unsign it, it is 12 months before that takes affect and don't forget it was Menzies government that sign it in the first place

Much has changed in the world since 1941!!! Grin

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John S Gold Member Offline Fascist Party = Liberal Party Posts: 3691 Gender:	Re: Not one boat since December 19! Reply #70 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:57am Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:48am: Much has changed in the world since 1941!!! You haven't even read it have you
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Re: Not one boat since December 19!
Reply #71 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:59am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 6:50am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 3:23pm:

cods wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 3:13pm:

funny thing I dont recall any drum beating about the deaths..from the greens...or bleeding heart brigade.

Thats because you weren't listening.

Greens oppose the boats as much as anyone. They wanted them stopped, they wanted the smuggling trade broken - they just refused to support punitive measures against asylum seekers to achieve it. The Greens released a policy of ferrying asylum seekers by plane before they got on to boats - and this policy was even copied by Clive Palmer.

If the Greens policy was implemented, boats would have stopped overnight. We also wouldn't be wasting billions every year on offshore detention centres, and we wouldn't be seeing asylum seekers being murdered by people we outsource these detention centres out too.

That's wrong and you know it. The Greens, in all their lunacy, wanted (and got) onshore processing. It was an unmitigated disaster. Labor went from dealing with four or five boats a week (still bad) to seeing 2 and sometimes 3 boats arriving each day when onshore processing and releasing detainees into the community came into being. It did absolutely NOTHING to deter people smugglers or their human cargo - it simply encouraged them to send more.

Of course it was a disaster - because it wasn't the greens policy. Labor did nothing to help people who were resorting to jumping on boats. The greens had a solution to stop the boats - by removing the need for boats, and it would have worked. If you people insist on using the "saving lives" argument, then you have to accept that the greens solution was the most viable.

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Re: Not one boat since December 19!
Reply #72 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 8:01am

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:59am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 6:50am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 3:23pm:

cods wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 3:13pm:

funny thing I dont recall any drum beating about the deaths..from the greens...or bleeding heart brigade.

Thats because you weren't listening.

Greens oppose the boats as much as anyone. They wanted them stopped, they wanted the smuggling trade broken - they just refused to support punitive measures against asylum seekers to achieve it. The Greens released a policy of ferrying asylum seekers by plane before they got on to boats - and this policy was even copied by Clive Palmer.

If the Greens policy was implemented, boats would have stopped overnight. We also wouldn't be wasting billions every year on offshore detention centres, and we wouldn't be seeing asylum seekers being murdered by people we outsource these detention centres out too.

That's wrong and you know it. The Greens, in all their lunacy, wanted (and got) onshore processing. It was an unmitigated disaster. Labor went from dealing with four or five boats a week (still bad) to seeing 2 and sometimes 3 boats arriving each day when onshore processing and releasing detainees into the community came into being. It did absolutely NOTHING to deter people smugglers or their human cargo - it simply encouraged them to send more.

Of course it was a disaster - because it wasn't the greens policy. Labor did nothing to help people who were resorting to jumping on boats. The greens had a solution to stop the boats - by removing the need for boats, and it would have worked. If you people insist on using the "saving lives" argument, then you have to accept that the greens solution was the most viable.

The words Green and Solution should never be used in the same sentence

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Re: Not one boat since December 19!
Reply #73 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 8:04am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:38am:

What makes you think they don't already have a valid passport and need to go and buy one?

He just explained why - because people being persecuted by authoritarian regimes typically don't get issued with passports - or if they have them, they'll probably be cancelled.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:38am:

What makes you think they aren't buying a fake passport on the black market?

err.. thats exactly what he's saying.

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Reply #74 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 8:05am

It's actually quite amusing in a way. First we had Rudd telling everyone that he had a more humane way or dealing with the "problem" of illegal immigrants. Unfortunately for him, he was months late in his description because it ceased to be a problem long before he turned it into one, with less than a dozen people in detention when Rudd became PM. Then we saw Labor try (and fail) to blame external "push factors" when they started to see more boats start arriving again. Now that they're in Opposition (where they belong) they're blaming Abbott for everything to do with a problem they themselves created. It's almost like Fawlty Towers with Rudd & Gillard playing the part of John Cleese!

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