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Reply #90 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 12:40pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 12:26pm:

5.56_ NATO wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 12:25pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 12:11pm:

5.56_ NATO wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 12:03pm:

Drowing em was a policy of your mates in the previous govt ,couple of thousand anyway. They couldn't even get that right Grin

There was no policy to drown, and besides, I fail to see where I have ever said I agreed with the Labor party policy on asylum seekers? Are you really so thick as to think that because someone mightn't agree with the sadist's death camps policy, that they must agree with Labor's death camps policy?

What a knob you are, to think that this is a black or white issue, when it comes to Labor's policy vs Liberal's policy. Grin

Anyway. Getting back to the question for you, please don't shy away from it. If the outcomes the only thing that is important, why not just drown them?

True there was no policy to drown them it was just an unexpected bonus.. sorry consequence, of the ALPs dismantling of a previously effective policy. I have no say in regards to what happens to thes illegals mate so don't ask me, all I know is that the current strategy is yielding results , good results

Right, but again, if it's all about the outcome, then wouldn't just drowning them yield the same results, PLUS have the added benefits of being cheaper? You should be on board with this policy, after all, it's all about the final outcome and the final outcome only!

You do have a say, you have a vote. Would you vote, yes or no, for a party that offers the cheap solution of just drowning them? No detention centers. No life boats. No wasting fuel having to tow a boat back. Just drown. The outcome will be the same, the boats will stop.

Let me know when you arrive back in the real world ,now , with all due respect , you are talking sh it. Bottom line is current policy appears effective ,let it run for a few years and history will be the judge of its effectiveness . The country as an added bonus will potentially have up to 1-200,000 less illegal, unwanted and un needed hobos from such paradises as the holy land and sub Saharan Africa. You ever had to live next door to any of em Roll Eyes

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Reply #91 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 12:43pm

cods wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 12:33pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 12:26pm:

Posted on: Today at 12:26pm
5.56_ NATO wrote Today at 12:25pm:
alevine wrote Today at 12:11pm:
5.56_ NATO wrote Today at 12:03pm:
Drowing em was a policy of your mates in the previous govt ,couple of thousand anyway. They couldn't even get that right

There was no policy to drown, and besides, I fail to see where I have ever said I agreed with the Labor party policy on asylum seekers? Are you really so thick as to think that because someone mightn't agree with the sadist's death camps policy, that they must agree with Labor's death camps policy?

What a knob you are, to think that this is a black or white issue, when it comes to Labor's policy vs Liberal's policy.

Anyway. Getting back to the question for you, please don't shy away from it. If the outcomes the only thing that is important, why not just drown them?

True there was no policy to drown them it was just an unexpected bonus.. sorry consequence, of the ALPs dismantling of a previously effective policy. I have no say in regards to what happens to thes illegals mate so don't ask me, all I know is that the current strategy is yielding results , good results

Right, but again, if it's all about the outcome, then wouldn't just drowning them yield the same results, PLUS have the added benefits of being cheaper? You should be on board with this policy, after all, it's all about the final outcome and the final outcome only!

You do have a say, you have a vote. Would you vote, yes or no, for a party that offers the cheap solution of just drowning them? No detention centers. No life boats. No wasting fuel having to tow a boat back. Just drown. The outcome will be the same, the boats will stop

think you will find that thats GREENS AND LABOR POLICY to drown them.. not LIBS.

we brought in the pacific solution just to stop that very thing... drownings.....

but you couldnt wait to start them off again.

Another one who doesn't understand that just because one doesn't support the Libtard policy ,they must support Labor or Greens Grin

Cods, I expect better.

And Cods, ... ... isn't this about border protection? or about queue jumping? or about illegals? I'm confused - when did it become about drownings?

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Reply #92 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 12:45pm

red baron wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:16am:

Conroy (and Gillard) tried oh so hard to repress Freedom of Speech when that slug Conroy tried to introduce draconian legislation into Parliament when Labor was in office. Thankfully it wads defeated, even the Greens could see that one was a bomb waiting to go off.

Now, even on the Opposition Benches that pie eyed turd has treated our Defence Personnel worse that you would treat the junk yard dog.

He needs to be censored himself.

"Operational Matters", Red???
You need to read what is happening to Australian press on Manus.....

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Reply #93 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 12:46pm

5.56_ NATO wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 12:40pm:

Let me know when you arrive back in the real world ,now , with all due respect , you are talking sh it. Bottom line is current policy appears effective ,let it run for a few years and history will be the judge of its effectiveness . The country as an added bonus will potentially have up to 1-200,000 less illegal, unwanted and un needed hobos from such paradises as the holy land and sub Saharan Africa. You ever had to live next door to any of em

Yes, I have and I do. Lovely people, just like many other people. Surprisingly, not much different in their wants and aspirations to those of whiteys. WOW. What a shock.

I live in the real world. Where you do have a vote. And I asked you to tell me what you think given you don't care about actions, rather outcomes. Why can't you give me a simple yes or no? It seems reasonable, that for a person like you who only cares in outcomes, that drowning is a much better option.

How do you define the effectiveness of this policy? By cost? By the events that have taken place (which we can't really judge as we have no information due to all the secrecy)? or just by the outcome ?

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Reply #94 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 12:50pm

Lobo wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 12:38pm:

Greensprogress wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 8:41pm:

I am unable to post links but you can find his offensive remarks on the ABc website in relation the General Campell. He is a grubby little man who is an embarrassment to the senate. So glad we Greens are no longer associated with grubs like this.

He should stick to sorting his red and brown undies.

Campbell gave up all right to respect when he prostituted his rank as a General for $100K pay rise, and politicised the military.

Another loud mouth know it all, spouting their ignorant opinion. Well done genius. Angry

Nothing more pathetic and stupid than a civvie giveing their opinion on defence issues, the skiddies in the Generals grundies have more character and honesty than you.

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Reply #95 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 12:54pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 12:21pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 11:51am:

If the operation has been classified

And now we are getting to the nub of our problem.

Has Operations Sovereign Borders been classified?

It seems success is not but problems failures are, which is not secrecy but censorship.

That's what classifed is in a nutshell, hiding the failures and telling the world of the successes, this is not new to this particular operation, it is a SOP for the ADF and has been for a very long time.

If it is a military opertion then it is claissified at the very least as "Need to Know" and you (pretty much everyone) don't

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Reply #96 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 12:56pm

i dont see anything wrong with Conroys questioning of Campbell. The boat people issue is not a defence issue, it is a enforcement or police issue. The fact that we are using the miltiary for this doesnt alter the facts, this is not a defence issue, by Campbell agreeing to command this operation he has automatically put his hand up to scrutiny of his actions. He needs to stop crying like a baby, so do the other Conroy detractors. Thank god we have poltiicans like Conroy who do ask inconvenient questions.

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Reply #97 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 12:58pm

Dnarever wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 8:06am:

What can be expected when you get the Lieberals using an armed forces representative as a political tool.

Exactly.....

I was always taught that the Military in this country was 'apolitical'.

What's Abbott trying to do, take Aus down along the path to becoming a little tinpot dictatorship???
That's where we're headed at the rate Abbott's going.

Since when, in this country, has a PM had to surround himself with the Military?

It was bad enough when Howard found it necessary to wear a flak-jacket while addressing a public meeting.....

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Lobo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7407 Sydney Gender:	Re: Conroy is a grub Reply #98 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 1:02pm Winston Smith wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 8:38am: Are the emoticons some kind of code? Is there a hidden meaning to the number and type being used? This is very disturbing. Some have 'Stickey Finger Syndrome".
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Reply #99 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 1:06pm

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 12:54pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 12:21pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 11:51am:

If the operation has been classified

And now we are getting to the nub of our problem.

Has Operations Sovereign Borders been classified?

It seems success is not but problems failures are, which is not secrecy but censorship.

That's what classifed is in a nutshell, hiding the failures and telling the world of the successes, this is not new to this particular poperation, it is a SOP for the ADF and ghhas been fora very long time.

If it is a military opertion then it is claissified at the very least as "Need to Know" and you (pretty much everyone) don't

Yeah sure SOP for war, not SOP to scoop up unarmed people floating in a rickety boats.

But it seems you (of all people) have fallen for the uniform & braids just as intended & now believe this is an actual military operation like Afghanistan or WWII.

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Reply #100 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 1:16pm

cods wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 9:06am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 8:49am:

Just for dumbsmithy:

Lt Gen Campbell was chosen because of his experience. He was commander of Australian military operations in the Middle East and served in East Timor. He has also served as Deputy National Security Adviser. In short, he was chosen because he has the experience and gets things done. Whether there is another Naval officer who has similar experience, who knows? But clearly he was chosen because he has the experience for this type of operation.

isnt it anarchy if a military persons disobeys his commander in chief who happens to be the PM of the day?.. anyway.. and yet some mongrels call him a prostitute...but then I guess a leftie would know the meaning of that wouldnt they??..

how sad how bloody sad. Sad

Wrong again, cods, on all counts....
But let's concentrate on CIC.....

THE GOVERNOR-GENERAL AS COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF

“The command in chief of the naval and military forces of the Commonwealth is vested in the Governor-General as the Queen’s representative” – so runs s.68 of our Constitution, unaltered since 1900; indeed changed only as to two words, neither of any consequence, since the first draft of the Constitution was adopted at the initial convention of founding fathers on 9 April 1891, ninety-two years ago.

And the words seem clear and unambiguous enough – “The command in chief … is vested in the Governor-General”:

no mention of Chiefs of Staff, none of Ministers for Defence, of Cabinet or of Prime Minister.

Do try to get it right.....

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Reply #101 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 1:20pm

ian wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 12:56pm:

i dont see anything wrong with Conroys questioning of Campbell. The boat people issue is not a defence issue, it is a enforcement or police issue. The fact that we are using the miltiary for this doesnt alter the facts, this is not a defence issue, by Campbell agreeing to command this operation he has automatically put his hand up to scrutiny of his actions. He needs to stop crying like a baby, so do the other Conroy detractors. Thank god we have poltiicans like Conroy who do ask inconvenient questions.

Accusing a leading Army General of a 'cover up' is not an'inconvenient question', otherwise that little POS would not have to retract it and give an appology.

Im more than happy to get the cops and a bunch of snivelly leftards out doing this job instead of the Navy and the RAAF.

Any volunteers. Grin

Maybe just sit on your couch and throw sh1t is more to your abilities Angry

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Reply #102 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 1:20pm

cods wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 12:23pm:

Winston Smith wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 10:15am:

cods wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 9:57am:

Winston Smith wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 9:41am:

its the same thing...

you are spitting out your vitriol.

its the modern world to day.. we could all of course get soap boxes out.....where to put them thats the trick.

So communication is about heaping abuse on people while pretending you're joking by adding a liberal dose of laughing, winking, leering, gloating representations of a smiling human face?

more or less..... Wink

why are you on here???????????????????...what point are you making???????????

do you think this is about c&p and no opinions???????

is that what you are seeking????

I think the mods control some of the abuse...if you had a soap box you would still get abused....

why are you hear???.... just to criticise or maybe add a contribution..

you dont have to join in the abuse or use the smilies..

you can start your own forum and get rid of anyone that dares cross a line..... Roll Eyes

thats sarcasm in smiley language..

sorry if it offends your sensitive nature.

Thank you for being honest about why you are here.

I wasnt telling you WHY I AM HERE... I was asking WHY ARE YOU HERE...

why I am here is a whole different thread my friend..

you are the one critcising anything and everything..and everyone..

the rest of us either use it or we dont...there are no rules about using smilies...and I dont think the political forum is the place for the discussion...do you??..

maybe relationships would get you the answers you are seeking..

I think you need a hug.

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Reply #104 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 1:24pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 1:06pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 12:54pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 12:21pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 11:51am:

If the operation has been classified

And now we are getting to the nub of our problem.

Has Operations Sovereign Borders been classified?

It seems success is not but problems failures are, which is not secrecy but censorship.

That's what classifed is in a nutshell, hiding the failures and telling the world of the successes, this is not new to this particular poperation, it is a SOP for the ADF and ghhas been fora very long time.

If it is a military opertion then it is claissified at the very least as "Need to Know" and you (pretty much everyone) don't

Yeah sure SOP for war, not SOP to scoop up unarmed people floating in a rickety boats.

But it seems you (of all people) have fallen for the uniform & braids just as intended & now believe this is an actual military operation like Afghanistan or WWII.

It doesn' t matter, the secrets act is in force all of the time, not just when coveinient for you or anyone alse.

If this has been determined to be a military op, then the act is in force; it is in force even in peace time.

Im pretty sure that is abbotts plan, nothing the ADF can do about it, not their call. Labor can change it back to Operation Floating Bodies when they get back in power.

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