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"But it's NOTHING to do with Islam ~ you fools!"
Feb 26^th, 2014 at 8:52am

Dear O dear O dear ....

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Brits returning from fighting in the Syrian civil war pose the greatest threat to the UK since 9/11, a senior security official has warned.

Charles Farr, the head of the Office for Security and Counter-Terrorism, said the work of the security services would be dominated by the fall-out of the bloody conflict for a long time to come.

It comes after Foreign Secretary William Hague warned the numbers of UK fighters returning from Syria was now of ‘serious concern’ and the spy agencies were working closely on tackling the terror threat.

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Reply #1 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 9:33am

When will Western politicians and policy makers, stop denying that ISLAM [and therefore moslems and moslem communities] who are being accommodated [and culturally appeased] in the West, are an existential threat to our persons, our culture and our way of life ?

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London, mainstream moslem street protests.
Moslems 'demonstrating' just how rational and 'peaceful' mainstream moslems really are.

THOSE PLACARDS, AT A MOSLEM STREET PROTEST IN LONDON READ.....

"Slay those who insult Islam"
"Behead those who insult Islam"
"Massacre those who insult Islam"
"Butcher those who mock Islam"
"Europe you will pay, demolition is on its way"
"Europe you will pay, extermination is on its way"
"Exterminate those who slander Islam"
"Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer"
"Islam will dominate the world"
"Freedom go to hell"
"Europe take some lessons from 9/11"
"Be prepared for the real Holocaust"
"BBC = British Blasphemic Crusaders"

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THE ALLAH OF THE MOSLEMS' KORAN....

"Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

FROM THE SUNNA OF MOHAMMED - THE HADITH....

"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' and whoever says, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' his life and property will be saved by me except for Islamic law, and his accounts will be with Allah, (either to punish him or to forgive him.)" "
hadithsunnah/bukhari #004.052.196

"A man came to the Prophet and asked, "A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah's Cause?" The Prophet said, "He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.065
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.080i

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......"He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause."

"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.002.026

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: "But it's NOTHING to do with Islam ~ you fools!" Reply #2 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 10:18am Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 8:52am: Brits returning from fighting in the Syrian civil war pose the greatest threat to the UK since 9/11 What happened on 9/11 in Britain?
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Reply #3 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 11:08am

Stratos wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 10:18am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 8:52am:

Brits returning from fighting in the Syrian civil war pose the greatest threat to the UK since 9/11

What happened on 9/11 in Britain?

Read the sentence again ~ carefully this time.

Rather than give my students the answer, I believe it's a lot more beneficial if they are to work it out for themselves.

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Reply #4 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 11:26am

Yadda, what grieves these London Muslims the most is the realisation (and the embarrassment) that the whole culture of Islam has kept them festering for generations in Medieval poverty in the shadow of a Western civilisation that has progressed way beyond the narrow social restrictions of Middle Eastern society by several hundred years.

They are to be pitied. Their beards. Their nightgowns. Their sandals. All these Medieval accoutrements bind them to centuries of developmental inertia.

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Reply #5 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 9:13pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 8:52am:

Dear O dear O dear ....

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Brits returning from fighting in the Syrian civil war pose the greatest threat to the UK since 9/11, a senior security official has warned.

Charles Farr, the head of the Office for Security and Counter-Terrorism, said the work of the security services would be dominated by the fall-out of the bloody conflict for a long time to come.

It comes after Foreign Secretary William Hague warned the numbers of UK fighters returning from Syria was now of ‘serious concern’ and the spy agencies were working closely on tackling the terror threat.

link

Interestingly, Thomas More said exactly the same thing in his Utopia. His very purpose in proposing a perfectly functional society back in 1516 was to solve the problem of returned soldiers from various European wars.

Those soldiers posed huge social problems and got up to no end of mischief. Most became thieves, murderers, bandits and pirates, or worse, mercenaries. Ultimately, those mercenaries formed the basis of power of all European rulers, popes and kings included. Their actions formed the borders of modern nation states.

Nothing changes, and nothing stays the same.

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Reply #6 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 9:29pm

Stratos wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 10:18am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 8:52am:

Brits returning from fighting in the Syrian civil war pose the greatest threat to the UK since 9/11

What happened on 9/11 in Britain?

Oh, nothing much. Tony Blair started a series of meetings with George Bush, and for some mysterious reason, decided to invade Iraq of all places.

To this day, Iraq is in a state of civil war. One by one, the Arab states struggled to depose their Western puppets and post-colonial dictators. Some failed, some actually succeeded. And oddly enough, many Middle Eastern refugees ended up in Britain.

Some things change, and some things stay the same.

Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow.

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Reply #7 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 9:37pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 9:13pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 8:52am:

Dear O dear O dear ....

Quote:

Brits returning from fighting in the Syrian civil war pose the greatest threat to the UK since 9/11, a senior security official has warned.

Charles Farr, the head of the Office for Security and Counter-Terrorism, said the work of the security services would be dominated by the fall-out of the bloody conflict for a long time to come.

It comes after Foreign Secretary William Hague warned the numbers of UK fighters returning from Syria was now of ‘serious concern’ and the spy agencies were working closely on tackling the terror threat.

link

Interestingly, Thomas More said exactly the same thing in his Utopia. His very purpose in proposing a perfectly functional society back in 1516 was to solve the problem of returned soldiers from various European wars.

Those soldiers posed huge social problems and got up to no end of mischief. Most became thieves, murderers, bandits and pirates, or worse, mercenaries. Ultimately, those mercenaries formed the basis of power of all European rulers, popes and kings included. Their actions formed the borders of modern nation states.

Nothing changes, and nothing stays the same.

As always, you overlook the pertinent point out of ignorance or purposeful malice - these jihadi bastards are NOT our soldiers, returning from the good fight fought on our behalf. These are our enemies, were our enemies when they went to Syria and returning from there remain our enemies.

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Reply #8 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 9:49pm

Soren wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 9:37pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 9:13pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 8:52am:

Dear O dear O dear ....

Quote:

Brits returning from fighting in the Syrian civil war pose the greatest threat to the UK since 9/11, a senior security official has warned.

Charles Farr, the head of the Office for Security and Counter-Terrorism, said the work of the security services would be dominated by the fall-out of the bloody conflict for a long time to come.

It comes after Foreign Secretary William Hague warned the numbers of UK fighters returning from Syria was now of ‘serious concern’ and the spy agencies were working closely on tackling the terror threat.

link

Interestingly, Thomas More said exactly the same thing in his Utopia. His very purpose in proposing a perfectly functional society back in 1516 was to solve the problem of returned soldiers from various European wars.

Those soldiers posed huge social problems and got up to no end of mischief. Most became thieves, murderers, bandits and pirates, or worse, mercenaries. Ultimately, those mercenaries formed the basis of power of all European rulers, popes and kings included. Their actions formed the borders of modern nation states.

Nothing changes, and nothing stays the same.

As always, you overlook the pertinent point out of ignorance or purposeful malice - these jihadi bastards are NOT our soldiers, returning from the good fight fought on our behalf. These are our enemies, were our enemies when they went to Syria and returning from there remain our enemies.

That’s strange. The al Assad regime was listed as "our" enemy in George Bush’s State of the Union Address in 2002.

These are our enemies, were our enemies, and will always be our enemies. Absolutely. Always. Never ever.

Except when they are the enemies of our enemies, or our friends.

It’s goodies and baddies, old chap. Same as when our enemy was Spain, or Prussia, or France.

We are at war with Eurasia. We have always been at war with Eurasia, no?

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Reply #9 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 10:23pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 9:13pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 8:52am:

Dear O dear O dear ....

Quote:

Brits returning from fighting in the Syrian civil war pose the greatest threat to the UK since 9/11, a senior security official has warned.

Charles Farr, the head of the Office for Security and Counter-Terrorism, said the work of the security services would be dominated by the fall-out of the bloody conflict for a long time to come.

It comes after Foreign Secretary William Hague warned the numbers of UK fighters returning from Syria was now of ‘serious concern’ and the spy agencies were working closely on tackling the terror threat.

link

Interestingly, Thomas More said exactly the same thing in his Utopia. His very purpose in proposing a perfectly functional society back in 1516 was to solve the problem of returned soldiers from various European wars.

Those soldiers posed huge social problems and got up to no end of mischief. Most became thieves, murderers, bandits and pirates, or worse, mercenaries. Ultimately, those mercenaries formed the basis of power of all European rulers, popes and kings included. Their actions formed the borders of modern nation states.

Nothing changes, and nothing stays the same.

Nails are not made of good iron, nor soldiers of good men.
- Chinese Proverb

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Reply #10 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 10:24pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 9:49pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 9:37pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 9:13pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 8:52am:

Dear O dear O dear ....

Quote:

Brits returning from fighting in the Syrian civil war pose the greatest threat to the UK since 9/11, a senior security official has warned.

Charles Farr, the head of the Office for Security and Counter-Terrorism, said the work of the security services would be dominated by the fall-out of the bloody conflict for a long time to come.

It comes after Foreign Secretary William Hague warned the numbers of UK fighters returning from Syria was now of ‘serious concern’ and the spy agencies were working closely on tackling the terror threat.

link

Interestingly, Thomas More said exactly the same thing in his Utopia. His very purpose in proposing a perfectly functional society back in 1516 was to solve the problem of returned soldiers from various European wars.

Those soldiers posed huge social problems and got up to no end of mischief. Most became thieves, murderers, bandits and pirates, or worse, mercenaries. Ultimately, those mercenaries formed the basis of power of all European rulers, popes and kings included. Their actions formed the borders of modern nation states.

Nothing changes, and nothing stays the same.

As always, you overlook the pertinent point out of ignorance or purposeful malice - these jihadi bastards are NOT our soldiers, returning from the good fight fought on our behalf. These are our enemies, were our enemies when they went to Syria and returning from there remain our enemies.

That’s strange. The al Assad regime was listed as "our" enemy in George Bush’s State of the Union Address in 2002.

These are our enemies, were our enemies, and will always be our enemies. Absolutely. Always. Never ever.

Except when they are the enemies of our enemies, or our friends.

It’s goodies and baddies, old chap. Same as when our enemy was Spain, or Prussia, or France.

We are at war with Eurasia. We have always been at war with Eurasia, no?

Again, in your rush to be the ignorant clown, you overlook that Islam has never been anything but the enemy of the west, from the day the Jews laughed Mohammed out of court.

Show us a time in history when Islam was urging its followers to be a bit more like the West, whether Christians or secular either as Marxist or as liberal democratic. Fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan for 10 years out of 1400 didn't make Islam a friend of the west.

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Reply #11 - Feb 27^th, 2014 at 11:12am

Soren wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 10:24pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 9:49pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 9:37pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 9:13pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 8:52am:

Dear O dear O dear ....

Quote:

Brits returning from fighting in the Syrian civil war pose the greatest threat to the UK since 9/11, a senior security official has warned.

Charles Farr, the head of the Office for Security and Counter-Terrorism, said the work of the security services would be dominated by the fall-out of the bloody conflict for a long time to come.

It comes after Foreign Secretary William Hague warned the numbers of UK fighters returning from Syria was now of ‘serious concern’ and the spy agencies were working closely on tackling the terror threat.

link

Interestingly, Thomas More said exactly the same thing in his Utopia. His very purpose in proposing a perfectly functional society back in 1516 was to solve the problem of returned soldiers from various European wars.

Those soldiers posed huge social problems and got up to no end of mischief. Most became thieves, murderers, bandits and pirates, or worse, mercenaries. Ultimately, those mercenaries formed the basis of power of all European rulers, popes and kings included. Their actions formed the borders of modern nation states.

Nothing changes, and nothing stays the same.

As always, you overlook the pertinent point out of ignorance or purposeful malice - these jihadi bastards are NOT our soldiers, returning from the good fight fought on our behalf. These are our enemies, were our enemies when they went to Syria and returning from there remain our enemies.

That’s strange. The al Assad regime was listed as "our" enemy in George Bush’s State of the Union Address in 2002.

These are our enemies, were our enemies, and will always be our enemies. Absolutely. Always. Never ever.

Except when they are the enemies of our enemies, or our friends.

It’s goodies and baddies, old chap. Same as when our enemy was Spain, or Prussia, or France.

We are at war with Eurasia. We have always been at war with Eurasia, no?

Again, in your rush to be the ignorant clown, you overlook that Islam has never been anything but the enemy of the west, from the day the Jews laughed Mohammed out of court.

Show us a time in history when Islam was urging its followers to be a bit more like the West, whether Christians or secular either as Marxist or as liberal democratic. Fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan for 10 years out of 1400 didn't make Islam a friend of the west.

You’ve had a few this morning, old chap, I can tell. For the last 1400 years the West has been fighting itself. Where the Muselman got involved, he mainly sided with one European power against the other.

But then, which Muselman do you mean? The Javanese joining with the Dutch against the Portugese? The Moroccans joining with the French against the Spanish? The Persians joining with the French against the Russians? The Ottomans joining with the Austrians and Huns against the Western allies? I could go on, you know.

Which ones, old chap?

Absolutely, always, never ever. The enemy of the West has always laid within..

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Reply #12 - Feb 27^th, 2014 at 11:50am

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 8:52am:

Dear O dear O dear ....

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Brits returning from fighting in the Syrian civil war pose the greatest threat to the UK since 9/11, a senior security official has warned.

Charles Farr, the head of the Office for Security and Counter-Terrorism, said the work of the security services would be dominated by the fall-out of the bloody conflict for a long time to come.

It comes after Foreign Secretary William Hague warned the numbers of UK fighters returning from Syria was now of ‘serious concern’ and the spy agencies were working closely on tackling the terror threat.

link

Just scare mongering.

Russia also said Sochi will be attacked but nothing happened.RUssia just making excuse to keep up its attacks on the chechnean people.

Just 3 months ago they said there are 200 Aussies in Syria.Then last month they said 120 are in Syria.

There is no way determining how many people from other countries are in Syria.GOvernments are making up numbers.No flights get into Syria,the only way to get in is through Lebanon or turkey.

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Reply #13 - Feb 27^th, 2014 at 12:57pm

wally1 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 11:50am:

Just scare mongering.

Russia also said Sochi will be attacked but nothing happened.RUssia just making excuse to keep up its attacks on the chechnean people.

We can only wish the Russians the best of luck in this endeavour. Those Muslim southern provinces have been the traditional source of Russia's most persistent and Usual Suspect criminals in its big cities.

It's something like the Usual Suspect Muslims that our Sydney police are continually carting off to our criminal courts for a judgement.

wally1 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 11:50am:

There is no way determining how many people from other countries are in Syria.GOvernments are making up numbers.No flights get into Syria,the only way to get in is through Lebanon or turkey.

These Warriors for Islam will be returning to Australia soon enough. They aren't there for patriotic reasons, as most of them are from Lebanon or elsewhere. So it hasn't been a matter of rallying to help the ancestral homeland. It's been all about installing a strict code of Islam in Syria upon the removal of the current tyrant.

Installing one tyranny for another, you could say.

Enjoy the rest of your day, Wally One. Cool

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Reply #14 - Feb 27^th, 2014 at 9:30pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 11:12am:

You’ve had a few this morning, old chap, I can tell. For the last 1400 years the West has been fighting itself. Where the Muselman got involved, he mainly sided with one European power against the other.

But then, which Muselman do you mean? The Javanese joining with the Dutch against the Portugese? The Moroccans joining with the French against the Spanish? The Persians joining with the French against the Russians? The Ottomans joining with the Austrians and Huns against the Western allies? I could go on, you know.

Which ones, old chap?

Absolutely, always, never ever. The enemy of the West has always laid within..

Which one of these alliances were motivated by adherence to Islam?

None.

These were instances when Muslims countries tried (and failed) to be nation states along European models.

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