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Reply #105 - Mar 4^th, 2014 at 6:01pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 4:59pm:

Stratos wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 4:52pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 3:57pm:

My interest in the Koran only goes so far as wanting to know how many in the West's Muslim communities take note of the anti-social bits in the Koran, and how many don't.

I think it's high time a new Koran was published for the consumption of Muslim children growing up in Western countries. A Koran with the nasty bits left out for the good of us all.

Same with the bible if there's to be a quid pro quo

I think a large part is the people who are teaching these texts. Like many things that old, there is a massive level of subjectivity to be had, and unfortunately through both books you can make some pretty horrible deductions.

Honestly I think it has far more to do with leadership within the religions as opposed to the actual physical text.

The Koran and Bible need to be rendered Politically Correct.

There. I've said it. Cool

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Reply #106 - Mar 4^th, 2014 at 10:37pm

We are all the same Soren, so we all must have the same hardship/task/burden.

Its only fair. Wink

And it is only what God would want for us! Wink

Coz he loves all of us, equally.iThe fire burns.

The fire consumes, the worthless.

Isaiah 48:10
Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #107 - Mar 5^th, 2014 at 8:25am

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The Koran and Bible need to be rendered Politically Correct.

There. I've said it. Cool

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It's either the Koran, hadiths, and sura get re-written for Modern Day consumption, with the nasty bits left out ... or eventually it's going to be 'Mein Kampf' that will prevail ~ all over again.

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Reply #108 - Mar 5^th, 2014 at 9:34am

Herbert,

The Koran will always contain, what the Koran contains. e.g. Koran 9.29

Instead of men trying to 'dally it up', into something that it is not [so that we can feel more comfortable], men are going to have to confront the reality of what the REAL Koran contains, and confront the truth about what the REAL Koran urges its followers to do.

And that, is ?

That the moslem [whenever he has the means] must strive to conduct a never-ending religious war, by moslems, against those who are not moslems.

And any attempt by the Politically Correct crowd, to produce an 'abridged version' of the Koran [so that they can avoid reality, and truth], won't change the fact, that there will always remain, an un-abridged version of the Koran.

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Creed of the sword
Mark Durie
September 23, 2006
.....the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, Sheikh Abdel Aziz al-Sheikh, issued a statement on the official Saudi news service, defending Muslims' divine right to resort to violence: "The spread of Islam has gone through several phases, secret and then public, in Mecca and Medina. God then authorised the faithful to defend themselves and to fight against those fighting them, which amounts to a right legitimised by God. This ... is quite reasonable, and God will not hate it."
Saudi Arabia's most senior cleric also explained that war was never Islam's ancient founder, the prophet Mohammed's, first choice: "He gave three options: either accept Islam, or surrender and pay tax, and they will be allowed to remain in their land, observing their religion under the protection of Muslims." Thus, according to the Grand Mufti, the third option of violence against non-Muslims was only a last resort, if they refused to convert or surrender peacefully to the armies of Islam.
.......At the beginning, in Mohammed's Meccan period, when he was weaker and his followers few, passages of the Koran encouraged peaceful relations and avoidance of conflict: "Invite (all) to the way of your Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious." (16:125)
Later, after persecution and emigration to Medina in the first year of the Islamic calendar, authority was given to engage in warfare for defensive purposes only: "Fight in the path of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits, for God does not love transgressors." (2:190)
As the Muslim community grew stronger and conflict with its neighbours did not abate, further revelations expanded the licence for waging war, until in Sura 9, regarded as one of the last chapters to be revealed, it is concluded that war against non-Muslims could be waged more or less at any time and in any place to extend the dominance of Islam.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20460114-601,00.html

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Here, for example, are two very illuminating passages from the canonical Life of Mohammed by Ibn Ishaq, as translated by A. Guillaume, and a third passage, from the earliest known Muslim historian.

Ishaq: 204 - "'Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man [Muhammad]?' 'Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.'"

Ishaq:231 - "Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders."

And here is Al-Tabari, a very early Muslim historian, in book 9, chapter or section 69, reporting words that Muslims believe to have been said by Mohammed himself - "Killing infidels is a small matter to us".

These texts are not fossils from a distant past. They are not dead letters. They are still 'live' and carry tremendous weight in the imagination and practice of many Muslims around the world.
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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #109 - Mar 5^th, 2014 at 11:14am

I'm thinking of the children, Yadda.

All over the Western world children are being born into the Muslim religion where anything goes, and the more 'extremist' one is ~ the more is one being faithful to the Islam of Mohammed's 7th century.

The 9/11 and London bombing jihadists were not aberrations on the theme of being a Muslim ~ they were mainstream. It's the rest of them who have shown themselves to be 'of faint heart'.

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Reply #110 - Mar 5^th, 2014 at 11:45am

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 5^th, 2014 at 11:14am:

I'm thinking of the children, Yadda.

All over the Western world children are being born into the Muslim religion where anything goes, and the more 'extremist' one is ~ the more is one being faithful to the Islam of Mohammed's 7th century.

The 9/11 and London bombing jihadists were not aberrations on the theme of being a Muslim ~ they were mainstream.

It's the rest of them who have shown themselves to be 'of faint heart'.

H,

And those, are the reasons why people in Western nations [we who host moslem communities] need to confront those moslem communities,
......AND WE NEED TO STOP APPEASING MOSLEMS, AND TO STOP PANDERING TO MOSLEM 'SENSIBILITIES'.

Nothing will change, until we, the people in Western nations, confront the abhorrence of what ISLAM is, and the abhorrence of what ISLAM promotes in human society.

'There, i said it!'

Please watch this YT...

Muslims being deceptive Islam EX-Muslims

goto 4m 30s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZx8cNSC9O0

Please watch this YT...

ISLAM - THREE THINGS YOU SHOULD KNOW!!!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OzxiHfWvBGw

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Reply #111 - Mar 6^th, 2014 at 9:50pm

Karnal wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 12:56pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 12:32pm:

wally1 wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 8:07am:

America doesn't poo about muslims as long as they get the oil and gas projects.

Why did Amerikkka and NATO bomb Christian Serbs in defence of Muslim Bosnians? Did they find oil and gas in Bosnia?

They were dragged kicking and screaming into that one, old boy. The "special relationship" between Blair and Clinton, innit.

Blair joined the dark side when he made friends with Bush. Bush Jnr's military experience was the Texan Air Guard. He should have listened more to his daddy. The US's security role in Serbia was a dangerous precedent for the War on Terror. It was, essentially, the false dawn of Amerikka's post-Cold War supremacy.

Yugoslavia's an interesting example, however, of a failed state. Without the Austrio-Hungarian Empire and the Soviet Union, it dissolved. This shows that empires can contain small nationalist insurgencies like the Serbs (who inadvertently started WWI), but there has to be an economic incentive for those in the empire's influence.

Many of the conflicts in the world today come down to the dissolution of the USSR and the bi-polar global system of the Cold War. With the rise of China - and now Russia in the Ukraine - we may see a restoration of this kind of "order".

Sooo... - no oil and gas then?

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Reply #112 - Mar 8^th, 2014 at 12:10pm

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To achieve the aim some schools apply for Academy status, effectively taking them out of the control of the local education authority, and allowing them to be run on religious lines.

The alleged plot is said to involve recruiting Salafi parents and staff - hard-line followers of Islam - to help spread false allegations about school leaders, including claiming sex education is being promoted to Muslim schoolchildren or Christian prayers.

One passage in the documents states: ‘We have caused a great amount of organised disruption in Birmingham and as a result we now have our own Academies and are on our way to getting rid of more headteachers and taking over their schools.

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And they wonder why rightwing political organisations are slowly gaining favour with people who once would not have dreamed of abandoning their liberal-luvvie credentials.

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Reply #114 - Mar 10^th, 2014 at 10:06am

"But it's NOTHING to do with Islam ~ you fools!"

More on the UK plot by Muslims ... er ... interested parties, to radicalise public schools for the purpose of developing a serious 5th column of moles, sleepers, and Jihadists-for-Allah in the next and succeeding generations.

And still the people in charge of Britain's safety are not deporting these people when they are discovered to be rats in the nation's silos.

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Reply #115 - Mar 11^th, 2014 at 12:49pm

How does one get rid of this infestation of vipers?

Don't jail them ~ just deport them.

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Saltley is one of several schools allegedly targeted for takeover by Islamic fanatics.

A leaked letter, seemingly from one plotter to another, has revealed an extraordinary operation in Birmingham to oust head teachers who did not comply with ‘Islamic principles’.

Yesterday, it was also claimed that Saltley’s head, Bulwant Bains, was forced to quit by bullying governors when he opposed the introduction of halal-only school dinners.

A teaching assistant, who worked at Saltley School for ten years, also told yesterday that terrorism convict Iqbal was just one of several extremists at the school.

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