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Reply #30 - Feb 28^th, 2014 at 1:01pm

Yadda wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 12:39pm:

Sparky wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 12:29pm:

I think Gandalf needs to read the bible.

Nah.

gandalf has the Koran and the Hadith.

Those are all that gandalf requires - he is a moslem.

True, Y, but I've seen you post far more Koran and hadith quotes than G.

You're practically an imam. Have you thought of sitting the test?

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Reply #31 - Feb 28^th, 2014 at 1:44pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 1:01pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 12:39pm:

Sparky wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 12:29pm:

I think Gandalf needs to read the bible.

Nah.

gandalf has the Koran and the Hadith.

Those are all that gandalf requires - he is a moslem.

True, Y, but I've seen you post far more Koran and hadith quotes than G.

You're practically an imam. Have you thought of sitting the test?

No thank you.

Koran chapters are set out by 'topic', but the Koran content has almost no context presented within its verses.

The Chapters of the Qur'an:

AL-FATIHA (THE OPENING)
AL-BAQARA (THE COW)
AAL-E-IMRAN (THE FAMILY OF 'IMRAN, THE HOUSE OF 'IMRAN)
AN-NISA (WOMEN)
AL-MAEDA (THE TABLE, THE TABLE SPREAD)
AL-ANAAM (CATTLE, LIVESTOCK)
AL-ARAF (THE HEIGHTS)
AL-ANFAL (SPOILS OF WAR, BOOTY)
AT-TAWBA (REPENTANCE, DISPENSATION)
YUNUS (JONAH)
HUD (HUD)
YUSUF (JOSEPH)
AR-RAD (THE THUNDER)
IBRAHIM (ABRAHAM)
AL-HIJR (AL-HIJR, STONELAND, ROCK CITY)
AN-NAHL (THE BEE)
AL-ISRA (ISRA', THE NIGHT JOURNEY, CHILDREN OF ISRAEL)
AL-KAHF (THE CAVE)
MARYAM (MARY)
TA-HA (TA-HA)
AL-ANBIYA (THE PROPHETS)
AL-HAJJ (THE PILGRIMAGE)
AL-MUMENOON (THE BELIEVERS)
AN-NOOR (THE LIGHT)
AL-FURQAN (THE CRITERION, THE STANDARD)
ASH-SHUARA (THE POETS)
AN-NAML (THE ANT, THE ANTS)
AL-QASAS (THE STORY, STORIES)
AL-ANKABOOT (THE SPIDER)
AR-ROOM (THE ROMANS, THE BYZANTINES)
LUQMAN (LUQMAN)
AS-SAJDA (THE PROSTRATION,WORSHIP, ADORATION)
AL-AHZAB (THE CLANS, THE COALITION,THE COMBINED FORCES)
SABA (SABA, SHEBA)
FATIR (THE ANGELS, ORIGNATOR)
YA-SEEN (YA-SEEN)
AS-SAAFFAT (THOSE WHO SET THE RANKS,DRAWN UP IN RANKS)
SAD (THE LETTER SAD)
AZ-ZUMAR (THE TROOPS, THRONGS)
AL-GHAFIR (THE FORGIVER (GOD) )
FUSSILAT (EXPLAINED IN DETAIL)
ASH-SHURA (COUNCIL, CONSULTATION)
AZ-ZUKHRUF (ORNAMENTS OF GOLD, LUXURY)
AD-DUKHAN (SMOKE)
AL-JATHIYA (CROUCHING)
AL-AHQAF (THE WIND-CURVED SANDHILLS, THE DUNES)
MUHAMMAD (MUHAMMAD)
AL-FATH (VICTORY, CONQUEST)
AL-HUJRAAT (THE PRIVATE APARTMENTS, THE INNER APARTMENTS)
QAF (THE LETTER QAF)
ADH-DHARIYAT (THE WINNOWING WINDS)
AT-TUR (THE MOUNT)
AN-NAJM (THE STAR)
AL-QAMAR (THE MOON)
AR-RAHMAN (THE BENEFICENT, THE MERCY GIVING)
AL-WAQIA (THE EVENT, THE INEVITABLE)
AL-HADID (THE IRON)
AL-MUJADILA (SHE THAT DISPUTETH, THE PLEADING WOMAN)
AL-HASHR (EXILE, BANISHMENT)
AL-MUMTAHINA (SHE THAT IS TO BE EXAMINED, EXAMINING HER)
AS-SAFF (THE RANKS, BATTLE ARRAY)
AL-JUMUA (THE CONGREGATION, FRIDAY)
AL-MUNAFIQOON (THE HYPOCRITES)
AT-TAGHABUN (MUTUAL DISILLUSION, HAGGLING)
AT-TALAQ (DIVORCE)
AT-TAHRIM (BANNING, PROHIBITION)
AL-MULK (THE SOVEREIGNTY, CONTROL)
AL-QALAM (THE PEN)
AL-HAAQQA (THE REALITY)
AL-MAARIJ (THE ASCENDING STAIRWAYS)
NOOH (NOOH)
AL-JINN (THE JINN)
AL-MUZZAMMIL (THE ENSHROUDED ONE, BUNDLED UP)
AL-MUDDATHTHIR (THE CLOAKED ONE, THE MAN WEARING A CLOAK)
AL-QIYAMA (THE RISING OF THE DEAD, RESURRECTION)
AL-INSAN (MAN)
AL-MURSALAT (THE EMISSARIES, WINDS SENT FORTH)
AN-NABA (THE TIDINGS, THE ANNOUNCEMENT)
AN-NAZIAT (THOSE WHO DRAG FORTH, SOUL-SNATCHERS)
ABASA (HE FROWNED)
AT-TAKWIR (THE OVERTHROWING)
AL-INFITAR (THE CLEAVING, BURSTING APART)
AL-MUTAFFIFIN (DEFRAUDING, THE CHEATS, CHEATING)
AL-INSHIQAQ (THE SUNDERING, SPLITTING OPEN)
AL-BUROOJ (THE MANSIONS OF THE STARS, CONSTELLATIONS)
AT-TARIQ (THE MORNING STAR, THE NIGHTCOMER)
AL-ALA (THE MOST HIGH, GLORY TO YOUR LORD IN THE HIGHEST)
AL-GHASHIYA (THE OVERWHELMING, THE PALL)
AL-FAJR (THE DAWN, DAYBREAK)
AL-BALAD (THE CITY, THIS COUNTRYSIDE)
ASH-SHAMS (THE SUN)
AL-LAIL (THE NIGHT)
AD-DHUHA (THE MORNING HOURS, MORNING BRIGHT)
AL-INSHIRAH (SOLACE, CONSOLATION, RELIEF)
AT-TIN (THE FIG, THE FIGTREE)
AL-ALAQ (THE CLOT, READ)
AL-QADR (POWER, FATE)
AL-BAYYINA (THE CLEAR PROOF, EVIDENCE)
AZ-ZALZALA (THE EARTHQUAKE)
AL-ADIYAT (THE COURSER, THE CHARGERS)
AL-QARIA (THE CALAMITY, THE STUNNING BLOW, THE DISASTER
AT-TAKATHUR (RIVALRY IN WORLD INCREASE, COMPETITION
AL-ASR (THE DECLINING DAY, EVENTIDE, THE EPOCH)
AL-HUMAZA (THE TRADUCER, THE GOSSIPMONGER)
AL-FIL (THE ELEPHANT)
QURAISH (WINTER, QURAYSH)
AL-MAUN (SMALL KINDNESSES, ALMSGIVING, HAVE YOU SEEN)
AL-KAUTHER (ABUNDANCE, PLENTY)
AL-KAFIROON (THE DISBELIEVERS, ATHEISTS)
AN-NASR (SUCCOUR, DIVINE SUPPORT)
AL-MASADD (PALM FIBRE, THE FLAME)
AL-IKHLAS (SINCERITY)
AL-FALAQ (THE DAYBREAK, DAWN)
AN-NAS (MANKIND)

The Koran is set out in an unstructured format, without any narrative, sequential structure, to present context.

In contrast, many of the books of the OT Bible have a sequential, narrative, structure.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #32 - Feb 28^th, 2014 at 1:48pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 1:01pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 12:39pm:

Sparky wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 12:29pm:

I think Gandalf needs to read the bible.

Nah.

gandalf has the Koran and the Hadith.

Those are all that gandalf requires - he is a moslem.

True, Y, but I've seen you post far more Koran and hadith quotes than G.

You're practically an imam. Have you thought of sitting the test?

No thank you.

I have read the O.T & N.T. Bible [KJV] through cover to cover [no surprise!].

I have read much of the Koran [but not cover to cover], but in my opinion, the Koran [in comparison to the O.T & N.T. Bible scripture], is mostly a lot of boastful, unstructured, largely violent, gibberish!

If you don't believe me [gibberish!], i challenge anyone, read the Koran for yourself and see!

http://quran.com/2/191

And, i do wish that many more people who call themselves, moslems, would read the Koran for themselves,
instead of allowing themselves to be 'instructed', and led, by clerics!

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HERE ARE JUST A FEW VERSES FROM THE THE KORAN, AS AN EXAMPLE OF THE NARRATIVE-LESS 'STRUCTURE' OF THE KORAN......

Abu once accused me of misrepresenting some Koran text;

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".....and [you] refuse to even read the verses around it which give it context...."

Where is the narrative structure, which reveals the context ???

003.104
YUSUFALI: Let there arise out of you a band of people inviting to all that is good, enjoining what is right, and forbidding what is wrong: They are the ones to attain felicity.

003.105
YUSUFALI: Be not like those who are divided amongst themselves and fall into disputations after receiving Clear Signs: For them is a dreadful penalty,-

003.106
YUSUFALI: On the Day when some faces will be (lit up with) white, and some faces will be (in the gloom of) black: To those whose faces will be black, (will be said): "Did ye reject Faith after accepting it? Taste then the penalty for rejecting Faith."

003.107
YUSUFALI: But those whose faces will be (lit with) white,- they will be in (the light of) Allah's mercy: therein to dwell (for ever).

003.108
YUSUFALI: These are the Signs of Allah: We rehearse them to thee in Truth: And Allah means no injustice to any of His creatures.

003.109
YUSUFALI: To Allah belongs all that is in the heavens and on earth: To Him do all questions go back (for decision).

003.110
YUSUFALI: Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors.

003.111
YUSUFALI: They will do you no harm, barring a trifling annoyance; if they come out to fight you, they will show you their backs, and no help shall they get.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #33 - Feb 28^th, 2014 at 2:33pm

Yadda wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 1:48pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 1:01pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 12:39pm:

Sparky wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 12:29pm:

I think Gandalf needs to read the bible.

Nah.

gandalf has the Koran and the Hadith.

Those are all that gandalf requires - he is a moslem.

True, Y, but I've seen you post far more Koran and hadith quotes than G.

You're practically an imam. Have you thought of sitting the test?

No thank you.

I have read the O.T & N.T. Bible [KJV] through cover to cover [no surprise!].

I have read much of the Koran [but not cover to cover],

True, Y, but you don't need to. You get passages from Jihadwatch, Islamreligionofpeace, etc, etc, etc.

You've read the important bits - all the beheading and murdering.

That's all you need to know, Y.

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Reply #34 - Feb 28^th, 2014 at 2:45pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 2:33pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 1:48pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 1:01pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 12:39pm:

Sparky wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 12:29pm:

I think Gandalf needs to read the bible.

Nah.

gandalf has the Koran and the Hadith.

Those are all that gandalf requires - he is a moslem.

True, Y, but I've seen you post far more Koran and hadith quotes than G.

You're practically an imam. Have you thought of sitting the test?

No thank you.

I have read the O.T & N.T. Bible [KJV] through cover to cover [no surprise!].

I have read much of the Koran [but not cover to cover],

True, Y, but you don't need to. You get passages from Jihadwatch, Islamreligionofpeace, etc, etc, etc.

That's true.

And there is no mystery as to what the words in the Koran mean either, K.

Allah himself, declares that fact.

I just open the Koran, and read a Koran verse, and i know straight away, what that Koran verse means.

EXPLANATION;
Allah declares, IN THE KORAN ITSELF, that the words in his inerrant and perfect Koran, are clear [perspicuous!!] and made plain.

And therefore it must be clear [to every moslem] that the words in the Koran, clear-ly mean, what a rational person understands the Koran texts to mean.

as per....

012.001
YUSUFALI: A.L.R. These are the symbols (or Verses) of the perspicuous Book.
PICKTHAL: Alif. Lam. Ra. These are verse of the Scripture that maketh plain.
SHAKIR: Alif Lam Ra. These are the verses of the Book that makes (things) manifest.

Dictionary;
perspicuous = =
1 (of an account or representation) clearly expressed and easily understood; lucid.
2 (of a person) expressing things clearly.

026.002
YUSUFALI: These are verses of the Book that makes (things) clear.
PICKTHAL: These are revelations of the Scripture that maketh plain.
SHAKIR: These are the verses of the Book that makes (things) clear.

See!!!!! Tongue

We know that the Koran comes directly from Allah [through the agency of Allah's messenger, pbuh].
[....because moslems tell us this.]

And Allah himself actually declares, within the divinely protected, inerrant and perfect Koran, that Allah has made the Koran so perfect, that anyone who opens that book and reads its words, can easily understand what those words mean.

And, i understand what its words mean!

The Koran = = "the Book that makes (things) manifest"

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #35 - Feb 28^th, 2014 at 2:47pm

Yadda wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 12:23pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 11:17am:

wally1 wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 10:58am:

Why does god only have a son? Why not a daughter? Christianity ideology just illogic.

Why are there no women prophets in any of the Abrahamic religions? Wink

Are you sure, gandalf ?

Joel 2:28
And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered
: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

Exodus 15:20
And Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a timbrel in her hand; and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dances.

Judges 4:4
And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time.

2 Kings 22:14
So Hilkiah the priest, and Ahikam, and Achbor, and Shaphan, and Asahiah, went unto Huldah the prophetess, the wife of Shallum the son of Tikvah, the son of Harhas, keeper of the wardrobe; (now she dwelt in Jerusalem in the college;) and they communed with her.

2 Chronicles 34:22
And Hilkiah, and they that the king had appointed, went to Huldah the prophetess, the wife of Shallum the son of Tikvath, the son of Hasrah, keeper of the wardrobe; (now she dwelt in Jerusalem in the college:) and they spake to her to that effect.

Nehemiah 6:14
My God, think thou upon Tobiah and Sanballat according to these their works, and on the prophetess Noadiah, and the rest of the prophets, that would have put me in fear.

Luke 2:36
And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity;

Well I stand corrected.

Thank you Y. You learn a new thing every day innit?

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Reply #36 - Feb 28^th, 2014 at 4:05pm

"But it's NOTHING to do with Islam ~ you fools!"

And it's ALL America's fault.

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Iraq has been locked in a bloody cycle of killings, many orchestrated by Sunni extremists aiming to send a message to the country's Shiite-led government.

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It really is about time our news media stopped bringing us reports of these psychotic events from beyond the walls of our Western civilisation.

Enough is enough.

Every thousand years or so we can check to see if these barbarians who live beyond the pale have made any advancement in developing a civilised lifestyle.

Other than that I think they should be ignored, and the people quarantined from infecting the West through migrations and 'refugee' ploys.

They are insane by any definition found in psychiatry today. They are diseased with a psychotic illness borne of religious fanaticism.

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Reply #37 - Feb 28^th, 2014 at 4:48pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 4:05pm:

"But it's NOTHING to do with Islam ~ you fools!"

And it's ALL America's fault.

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Iraq has been locked in a bloody cycle of killings, many orchestrated by Sunni extremists aiming to send a message to the country's Shiite-led government.

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It really is about time our news media stopped bringing us reports of these psychotic events from beyond the walls of our Western civilisation.

Enough is enough.

You said that when we invaded Iraq. And now you're saying it in the aftermath of said invasion.

"They" can't win. And "we" can't lose. It's a jolly world, no?

Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow.

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Reply #38 - Feb 28^th, 2014 at 6:07pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 4:05pm:

"But it's NOTHING to do with Islam ~ you fools!"

And it's ALL America's fault.

Quote:

Iraq has been locked in a bloody cycle of killings, many orchestrated by Sunni extremists aiming to send a message to the country's Shiite-led government.

link

It really is about time our news media stopped bringing us reports of these psychotic events from beyond the walls of our Western civilisation.

Enough is enough.

Every thousand years or so we can check to see if these barbarians who live beyond the pale have made any advancement in developing a civilised lifestyle.

Other than that I think they should be ignored, and the people quarantined from infecting the West through migrations and 'refugee' ploys.

They are insane by any definition found in psychiatry today. They are diseased with a psychotic illness borne of religious fanaticism.

Saddam was a halve wit but America in Iraq made if no better,America ruined the place.

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Reply #39 - Feb 28^th, 2014 at 6:51pm

wally1 wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 6:07pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 4:05pm:

"But it's NOTHING to do with Islam ~ you fools!"

And it's ALL America's fault.

Quote:

Iraq has been locked in a bloody cycle of killings, many orchestrated by Sunni extremists aiming to send a message to the country's Shiite-led government.

link

It really is about time our news media stopped bringing us reports of these psychotic events from beyond the walls of our Western civilisation.

Enough is enough.

Every thousand years or so we can check to see if these barbarians who live beyond the pale have made any advancement in developing a civilised lifestyle.

Other than that I think they should be ignored, and the people quarantined from infecting the West through migrations and 'refugee' ploys.

They are insane by any definition found in psychiatry today. They are diseased with a psychotic illness borne of religious fanaticism.

Saddam was a halve wit but America in Iraq made if no better,America ruined the place.

The US invited Al Qaida and the Shi’a Special Groups into Iraq. The US might as well have paid for their plane tickets and given them a free failed state.

It would have saved Amerika a trillion, give or take.

With that money, they could have paid Haliburton and Blackwater Security to stay at home, and saved a few hundred Amerikan lives.

The 200,000 plus Iraqi lives don’t count. They’re Muslims.

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Reply #41 - Feb 28^th, 2014 at 7:35pm

wally1 wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 6:07pm:

Saddam was a halve wit

Saddam was exactly the sort of dictator that Middle Eastern Muslims understand and respect. Police State discipline, with mass graves and torture chambers is all part of the culture.

Think of any Middle Eastern country of the past century alone, and what do we see?

Thugs in power. Godfathers and their henchmen.

Bedouin chieftains who have scrambled their way to the top of the heap. Gangsters with extended families and well-paid personal militia. Saddam had 17 palaces across Iraq.

It's the Muslim way. It's traditional. It's sanctified by centuries of practice. You arrive at the top through years of brutality ~ and your departure is marked by brutality.

And when brutal dictatorships have been removed by outside forces ... it's then time for the ordinary citizens to have their turn at exercising the Muslim Middle Easterner's favourite pastime: Violence.

Saddam was the best man for the job he was tasked with: Maintaining peace among the citizenry.

wally1 wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 6:07pm:

America ruined the place.

Exactly.

The Americans gave them a system of government known as 'democracy' in which at any one time there will always be at least one party that has to sit in opposition because they lost the election.

This is a big no-no to the Middle Eastern mentality. The idea of being 'defeated' at an election, and then having to suffer the humiliation of being 'subordinate' to the ruling party is an affront to the macho-male ego of the typical Middle Eastern Muslim.

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Reply #43 - Feb 28^th, 2014 at 7:59pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 7:39pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 6:51pm:

The 200,000 plus Iraqi lives don’t count. They’re Muslims.

What's the figure for Muslims killed by Muslims in Iraq since Saddam was hanged and democracy was set in place?

Democracy?

Put me back on your ignore list, Herbie. That question is not even worthy of you.

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Reply #44 - Feb 28^th, 2014 at 8:52pm

wally1 wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 6:07pm:

Saddam was a halve wit but America in Iraq made if no better,America ruined the place.

Exactly.

You either suppress the bastard yourself or you pick a local bastard to suppress them for you.

Under no circumstances allow the buggers to think for themselves because all they can ever think of is to kill each other for some really petty tribal reasons - see Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Labia, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, and all the rest.

The Arabs created Allah in their own image - capricious, irrational, sensuous, unpredicatable.

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