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Feb 27th, 2014 at 6:25am
 
LABOR defence spokesman Stephen Conroy is clinging to his job after refusing to apologise to the decorated Army General he accused of conducting a political cover-up. 
 
During a Defence Estimates hearing on Tuesday Senator Conroy deeply offended the commander of Operation Sovereign Borders, former SAS officer and Afghanistan war commander Lieutenant General Angus Campbell, by calling into question his integrity.

The government’s day two charge against the Labor head kicker was led by Prime Minister Tony Abbott who demanded an apology for the “brain snap”.

“I think that uniformed officers of our country should be treated with our deep respect,” Mr Abbott said.

The issue escalated into a full-blown political debate when former army officer and Independent Tasmanian MP Andrew Wilkie, who opposes the government’s policy, moved a motion in the House of Representatives to ``admonish’’ Senator Conroy for attacking General Campbell’s integrity.

Mr Wilkie, who was at Duntroon with General Campbell in 1984, said he was disappointed that the debate became so political and that his motion was opposed by Labor.

The motion was seconded by Foreign Minister Julie Bishop who described the Conroy attack as a “despicable slur”.

“If he [Senator Conroy] does not [apologise], the leader of the opposition should remove him from the role of shadow minister for defence. He is unfit for that role,” she said.

Predictably it was opposed by Labor on party political lines with Opposition leader Bill Shorten accusing the government of using the general as a political football and of smearing the military.

The motion was carried on the voices.

In an unprecedented intervention, the Chief of Defence General David Hurley used a Senate Estimates hearing to defend the man he promoted to three-star status to take the Operation Sovereign Borders Job.

Treading a fine political line given the sensitivity of the issue, General Hurley said he was pleased that the accusations were withdrawn.

“But unfortunately once said the shadow will linger,” he said.

“Lieutenant General Campbell has a reputation in Canberra, more widely in Australia and overseas, of integrity, intellect and studied impartiality.”

A visibly subdued but unrepentant Senator Conroy told the Senate that he was not criticising General Campbell for simply following orders.

“No Australian wants to see the politicisation of the military,” Senator Conroy said.

He then spent several hours trying to pry political answers from senior defence officers about Operation Sovereign Borders.

General Hurley and Navy chief Vice-Admiral Ray Griggs refused to answer dozens of questions instead referring Senator Conroy to “`on water matters’’ and the minister in charge, Immigration Minister Scott Morrison.

During his opening remarks General Hurley also revealed that Australia’s main base in the Middle East at Al-Minhad Air Base (AMAB) near Dubai would be named Camp Baird in honour of the nation’s latest Victoria Cross winner Commando Corporal Cameron Baird who was killed in action last June.

About 400 Australians are based there to support another 400 still serving in Kabul and Kandahar in Afghanistan.

Defence Minister David Johnston squashed rumours that the navy’s two new 27,000 tonne amphibious landing ships would be based at Townsville and not Sydney.

“It will be Garden Island [Sydney],” Senator Johnston said.


ATTACK HAS BROUGHT OUT THE BIG GUNS Comment Simon Benson

STEPHEN Conroy is rapidly running out of friends in the Labor caucus. And so too will Opposition leader Bill Shorten if he doesn’t do something about him.

A growing number of senior Labor MPs believe Conroy should resign — and if he doesn’t, Shorten should sack him.

His attack on General Angus Campbell was unbecoming of someone with ambitions of becoming Defence Minister.

But it was the Chief of the Defence Force’s response that is more problematic for Conroy and ultimately Shorten and the Labor party itself.

General David Hurley’s public admonishment of Conroy in defending the integrity of one of his most senior officers was without precedent.

It signalled that the senior brass of the ADF have no confidence in the man.

“Once said, the shadow will linger,” he said of Conroy’s accusations that Campbell was involved in a government cover-up on border protection.

What General Hurley was saying was that Conroy’s attack will not be forgotten.

For that reason alone it is almost impossible for Conroy to ever be considered for a role as Defence Minister in a Labor government.

But it is deeper than that for Shorten’s attempts to show leadership.

Shorten needs to demonstrate that he has control over one of his Victorian numbers men — one who is out of control and prepared to engage in factional bully-boy tactics with the military.

Some senior Labor MPs believe Conroy should never have been given the job and it should have gone to David Feeney.

Many had even hoped he would have left parliament at the election, such was the toxicity which many colleagues believe he brings to a factionally fragile Labor caucus.

His behaviour also blunted Labor’s attempts yesterday to force the sacking of assistant health minister Fiona Nash. And there are many of Conroy’s mates who aren’t at all happy about it.

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Reply #1 - Feb 27th, 2014 at 6:27am
 
You know you're in trouble when someone who opposes the governments' policy attacks your comments, Stephen. Time to apologise and/or resign!
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Reply #3 - Feb 27th, 2014 at 6:29am
 

Sorry (well no, I'm not) but I support Conroy 110% here.

And your ratbag mob not at all.

The policy stinks, the minister is a maggot and you lot are fools for supporting either.
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Reply #4 - Feb 27th, 2014 at 6:41am
 
Sorry Kat.

He's going to end up going here. His position isn't really salvageable.
Once you backtrack on smearing non politicians like that, you're a goner.

He made his own bed.
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Reply #5 - Feb 27th, 2014 at 6:41am
 
Kat wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 6:29am:
Sorry (well no, I'm not) but I support Conroy 110% here.

And your ratbag mob not at all.

The policy stinks, the minister is a maggot and you lot are fools for supporting either.


Conroy can say what he likes about the government and its MP's and Senators, but you just don't say those sorts of things to/about a highly respected and distinguished senior officer in the defence force who has done NOTHING wrong. He is just doing his job, which is whatever the government of the day tells him to do. To smear Lt Gen Campbell in that way, Conroy has shown what utter trash he is. He's worse than a maggot. Far worse. It was a cheap political stunt and it's backfired spectacularly and will damage not only Conroy, but also Shorten and the ALP as a whole if Shorten doesn't do something very quickly about it.
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Reply #6 - Feb 27th, 2014 at 6:46am
 
conroy is an arrogant pig.. hope he gets the sack...and loses everything..

didnt he also get a freebee from his mate OBEID...he sure likes those freebees...
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Reply #7 - Feb 27th, 2014 at 6:46am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 6:41am:
Sorry Kat.

He's going to end up going here. His position isn't really salvageable.
Once you backtrack on smearing non politicians like that, you're a goner.

He made his own bed.


No one in defence will ever work with him if Labor ever wins another election. Not after what he said to Lt Gen Campbell. His position as Shadow Defence Minister is untenable.
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Reply #8 - Feb 27th, 2014 at 6:47am
 
cods wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 6:46am:
conroy is an arrogant pig.. hope he gets the sack...and loses everything..

didnt he also get a freebee from his mate OBEID...he sure likes those freebees...


Furthermore, I find it laughable and ironic that Conroy is sh!tting his pants about a cover-up given his attempts to censor the media when he was Communications Minister because of all the bad press Labor was getting. That's hypocrisy in the extreme!
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Reply #9 - Feb 27th, 2014 at 6:57am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 6:47am:
cods wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 6:46am:
conroy is an arrogant pig.. hope he gets the sack...and loses everything..

didnt he also get a freebee from his mate OBEID...he sure likes those freebees...


Furthermore, I find it laughable and ironic that Conroy is sh!tting his pants about a cover-up given his attempts to censor the media when he was Communications Minister because of all the bad press Labor was getting. That's hypocrisy in the extreme!



and who will forget the 50% off the TV licence given to his mate Stokes.. after a free skiing holiday in AMerica...

hes a dead set creep..as artificial as they come...
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Reply #10 - Feb 27th, 2014 at 7:07am
 
It would seem the LW Progs and Luvvies here have no problem with the idiot Conroy...  no wonder we had 2 terms of the worst government I can remember.

This is the standard of politician Labor attracts today... this is why Labor should lose every election.

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Reply #11 - Feb 27th, 2014 at 7:12am
 
A union mouthy bastard originally from Essex, so it's not surprising the obsequious twit flaps his tongue before engaging that pea of an Essex brain......
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Reply #12 - Feb 27th, 2014 at 7:13am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 6:41am:
Sorry Kat.

He's going to end up going here. His position isn't really salvageable.
Once you backtrack on smearing non politicians like that, you're a goner.

He made his own bed.


Bill Heffernan is still an MP after using parliamentary privilege to accuse Justice Kirby of   inappropriate use of a Commonwealth car to solicit sex from an under-age male prostitute (among other things) way back in 2002.  He never apologised.
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Reply #13 - Feb 27th, 2014 at 7:14am
 
Grendel wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 7:07am:
It would seem the LW Progs and Luvvies here have no problem with the idiot Conroy...  no wonder we had 2 terms of the worse government I can remember.

This is the standard of politician Labor attracts today... this is why Labor should lose every election.



Is it little wonder that the NBN has blown out in cost to more than $60bn when you have a non-wit like Conroy running it?
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Reply #14 - Feb 27th, 2014 at 7:16am
 
viewpoint wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 7:12am:
A union mouthy bastard originally from Essex, so it's not surprising the obsequious twit flaps his tongue before engaging that pea of an Essex brain......


Is he originally from Essex???

Lol that explains so much.

Working class or what..
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