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Zionistic Utopia
Feb 27^th, 2014 at 7:10pm

http://therebel.org/editorial/640958-the-zionists-have-no-clothes-part-1-the-deb...

Part 1: The Debunked Middle-Eastern Roots - Part 2: The Debunked Anti-Semitism Hoax - Part 3: The Debunked Holocaust Hoax

You could almost feel sorry for the Zionists. They have invested so much time, effort and passion into telling everyone how the Jews got kicked out of their own country by those evil Roman imperialists, dispersed all over the world, kicked out of every single European country, over 200 times altogether, for no good reason, and eventually almost entirely wiped out in an industrial scale genocide by Nazi Germany, so that nobody would have the heart to refuse them the wish to return to their ancient homeland. Too bad, it all turns out to be nothing but a myth.

The Jews, not the Germans, are the real Huns

The first nail in the Zionists’ coffin was Arthur Koestler’s 1976 classic “The Thirteenth Tribe”. He revealed that the Ashkenazi Jews are not - as claimed by the Zionist narrative - the descendants of Roman days Judaic inhabitants of the Holy Land, but of ethnic Turk Khazars, who invaded Europe as part of Attila’s horde. After getting tired with slaughtering, raping and pillaging large parts of Europe, they settled in the area of Southern Russia and Ukraine and converted to Judaism, a clever political move that allowed them to trade with both their Muslim Arab and their Christian European neighbours.

The Zionists immediately realised the explosive implications of Koestler’s work. If the Ashkenazi Jews, who make up more than 90% of modern Jewry, have no ancestral roots to the Holy Land, how can the world justify forcing the Palestinians to welcome them in their land? Not surprisingly, the Zionists furiously refuted Koestler’s work as unscientific, which is utter nonsense, because his book was very well documented and referenced. Unfortunately for the Zionists, they couldn't accuse Koestler of anti-Semitism or even anti-Zionism, because he was Jewish and well known as a passionate Zionist.

The Maghreb origins of the Sephardic Jews

Israeli historian Shlomo Sand, a supporter of the Khazarian theory, expanded in his 2009 bestselling “The Invention of the Jewish People” on Koestler’s work by revealing the Maghreb converts origins of the Sephardic Jews. Similar to the Ashkenazi/Khazar Jews, Sands explains to his readers that the Sephardi Jews are the descendants of North-West African Berber tribes, which shortly after the collapse of the Roman Empire formed a Berber kingdom under a Jewish queen and converted to Judaism. They later entered Europe as part of the Moorish occupation force and – after the Spanish Reconquista – emigrated to Holland, England, Greece, Turkey, Iraq and India.

Genetics provided the final proof

Genetic science was supposed to refute Koestler’s and Sand’s Khazar and Berber theories. Numerous Israeli and American geneticists quickly established that both Sephardic and Ashkenazi Jews shared “some” Middle-Eastern genetic markers. These findings were always quoted whenever anyone mentioned the Khazarian theory.

If those ‘debunkers’ had actually read Koestler’s book they would know that he mentioned that the Khazars imported thousands of rabbis with their families for the purpose of setting up Talmud schools all over the country as part of the country's conversion to Judaism. You would expect over the following 1000 years some interbreeding to occur between the descendants of those thousands of Semitic rabbis and the Khazars, even though some of them, the elitist ‘Cohens’, descendants of the rabbis at the destroyed Jerusalem temple, tried hard to preserve their racial purity.

Genetics not only provided no evidence for overwhelmingly Middle Eastern ancestral roots, it did provide evidence for common Germanic roots amongst Ashkenazi Jews. According to that research, all Ashkenazi Jews descend of the same Germanic grandmother! The researcher didn’t dare to explain how these common roots could have come about and probably lack the necessary historic knowledge anyhow. When Attila’s horde invaded Europe, they obviously couldn’t bring their women along all the way from Mongolia. When they settled in the area between the Caspian and the Black Sea, they didn’t bother to send for women from their own tribe, which could have taken years, but ‘sourced’ women locally. The explanation for the common grandmother is that those unfortunate women came all from the same Germanic tribe.

The final blow for the Zionist theory came recently from an Israeli molecular geneticist. According to his findings, there is no genetic proof for the ‘Rhineland hypothesis’ according to which the Ashkenazi Jews are the descendants from Jews who fled Palestine after the Muslim conquest of the Holy Land, settled in the Rhineland at first and later moved east. The Khazarian theory, on the other hand, was confirmed by his findings.

He concludes that contrary to common belief, Jews are not a race, have no common Levantine ancestors, have nothing to do with the Roman Exile (70 A.D.), don’t originate from a small founder group, and are not all related to each other.

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Reply #1 - Feb 27^th, 2014 at 7:11pm

Consequences for the Zionist claim on Palestinian land

The confirmation of the Khazarian theory by modern genetics means that modern Jews have no ‘right of return’ to the Holy Land. It provides Palestinians with all the scientific evidence they need to refute the Zionist claims for their land and demand the removal of all Zionist immigrants and their descendants.

Part 1: The Debunked Middle-Eastern Roots - Part 2: The Debunked Anti-Semitism Hoax - Part 3: The Debunked Holocaust Hoax

http://therebel.org/books/jewry/341570-the-thirteenth-tribe-1976

The Thirteenth Tribe is a book that attempts to explain the origins of Eastern Europe’s Jewish population. Koestler shows through extensive research, how a trading empire was set up by a tribe we know as the Khazars between the expanding power blocs of Christianity and Islam; how the people were converted to Judaism by their king as a way of standing apart from both, and how the people and their wealth were dispersed through the countries of Eastern Europe after the collapse of the Khazar Empire.

It is a controversial history; because it challenges both the assumptions of Nazi philosophy and Zionism that the European Jews were racially different from the populations of the countries in which they later settled.

Koestler, as a Hungarian Jew himself, was particularly interested in the major part the Khazars played in the founding of the Hungarian nation; a fact which later led to the tragedy of 1944, when the Nazis exterminated over half-a -million Hungarian Jews, who were virtually indistinguishable from their Christian neighbours.

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Reply #3 - Feb 27^th, 2014 at 10:45pm

Light,

The Jews are not the Jews ?

The Jews are not 'the' Jews, of the God of the Jewish people ?

Hey Light, here is a thing, ........God knows who his people are.

The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob knows who his people are.

Exodus 31:12
And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

Ezekiel 20:1
And it came to pass in the seventh year, in the fifth month, the tenth day of the month, that certain of the elders of Israel came to enquire of the LORD, and sat before me.
2 Then came the word of the LORD unto me, saying,
3 Son of man, speak unto the elders of Israel, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Are ye come to enquire of me? As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I will not be enquired of by you.
4 Wilt thou judge them, son of man, wilt thou judge them? cause them to know the abominations of their fathers:
5 ¶And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the day when I chose Israel, and lifted up mine hand unto the seed of the house of Jacob, and made myself known unto them in the land of Egypt, when I lifted up mine hand unto them, saying, I am the LORD your God;
6 In the day that I lifted up mine hand unto them, to bring them forth of the land of Egypt into a land that I had espied for them, flowing with milk and honey, which is the glory of all lands:
7 Then said I unto them, Cast ye away every man the abominations of his eyes, and defile not yourselves with the idols of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
8 But they rebelled against me, and would not hearken unto me: they did not every man cast away the abominations of their eyes, neither did they forsake the idols of Egypt: then I said, I will pour out my fury upon them, to accomplish my anger against them in the midst of the land of Egypt.
9 But I wrought for my name's sake, that it should not be polluted before the heathen, among whom they were, in whose sight I made myself known unto them, in bringing them forth out of the land of Egypt.
10 ¶Wherefore I caused them to go forth out of the land of Egypt, and brought them into the wilderness.
11 And I gave them my statutes, and shewed them my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them.
12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.
13 But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness: they walked not in my statutes, and they despised my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; and my sabbaths they greatly polluted: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them in the wilderness, to consume them.
14 But I wrought for my name's sake, that it should not be polluted before the heathen, in whose sight I brought them out.
15 Yet also I lifted up my hand unto them in the wilderness, that I would not bring them into the land which I had given them, flowing with milk and honey, which is the glory of all lands;
16 Because they despised my judgments, and walked not in my statutes, but polluted my sabbaths: for their heart went after their idols.
17 Nevertheless mine eye spared them from destroying them, neither did I make an end of them in the wilderness.
18 But I said unto their children in the wilderness, Walk ye not in the statutes of your fathers, neither observe their judgments, nor defile yourselves with their idols:
19 I am the LORD your God; walk in my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them;
20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God.
21 Notwithstanding the children rebelled against me: they walked not in my statutes, neither kept my judgments to do them, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; they polluted my sabbaths: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them, to accomplish my anger against them in the wilderness.
22 Nevertheless I withdrew mine hand, and wrought for my name's sake, that it should not be polluted in the sight of the heathen, in whose sight I brought them forth.
23 I lifted up mine hand unto them also in the wilderness, that I would scatter them among the heathen, and disperse them through the countries;
24 Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers' idols.
25 Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;
26 And I polluted them in their own gifts, in that they caused to pass through the fire all that openeth the womb, that I might make them desolate, to the end that they might know that I am the LORD.

....and the rest of Ezekiel 20

The Jewish people need to open, and to then read their Torah.

And then they will know if they really are Jews !

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #4 - Feb 27^th, 2014 at 11:30pm

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 10:45pm:

The Jewish people need to open, and to then read their Torah.

And then they will know if they really are Jews !

What do the rebellious people say ?

Ezekiel 20:32
And that which cometh into your mind shall not be at all, that ye say, We will be as the heathen, as the families of the countries, to serve wood and stone.

What is the response of their God ?

Ezekiel 20:33
As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:
34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.
35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.
36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord GOD.
37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
39 As for you, O house of Israel, thus saith the Lord GOD; Go ye, serve ye every one his idols, and hereafter also, if ye will not hearken unto me: but pollute ye my holy name no more with your gifts, and with your idols.
40 For in mine holy mountain, in the mountain of the height of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, there shall all the house of Israel, all of them in the land, serve me: there will I accept them, and there will I require your offerings, and the firstfruits of your oblations, with all your holy things.
41 I will accept you with your sweet savour, when I bring you out from the people, and gather you out of the countries wherein ye have been scattered; and I will be sanctified in you before the heathen.
42 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I shall bring you into the land of Israel, into the country for the which I lifted up mine hand to give it to your fathers.
43 And there shall ye remember your ways, and all your doings, wherein ye have been defiled; and ye shall lothe yourselves in your own sight for all your evils that ye have committed.
44 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have wrought with you for my name's sake, not according to your wicked ways, nor according to your corrupt doings, O ye house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.
45 ¶Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
46 Son of man, set thy face toward the south, and drop thy word toward the south, and prophesy against the forest of the south field;
47 And say to the forest of the south, Hear the word of the LORD; Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will kindle a fire in thee, and it shall devour every green tree in thee, and every dry tree: the flaming flame shall not be quenched, and all faces from the south to the north shall be burned therein.
48 And all flesh shall see that I the LORD have kindled it: it shall not be quenched.
49 Then said I, Ah Lord GOD! they say of me, Doth he not speak parables?

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #5 - Feb 28^th, 2014 at 8:53am

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 10:45pm:

The Jewish people need to open, and to then read their Torah.

And then they will know if they really are Jews !

A Jew, is a Jew if he is a Jew in his own heart.

That is what the God of the Jews declares.

A man is not a Jew, [before God] because of his flesh or even because of his/her heritage.

A Jew, is a Jew if he is a Jew in his heart.

The Torah has the power to change the heart of a man/woman.

The Jewish people need to open and to read their Torah.

Jeremiah 9:23
Thus saith the LORD, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches:
24 But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the LORD.
25 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will punish all them which are circumcised with the uncircumcised;
26 Egypt, and Judah, and Edom, and the children of Ammon, and Moab, and all that are in the utmost corners, that dwell in the wilderness: for all these nations are uncircumcised, and all the house of Israel are uncircumcised in the heart.

Romans 2:28
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

If you believe that you are Jewish, read 2 Kings 22 & 2 Chronicles 34

In the reign of Josiah, the [forgotten] book of the law is discovered in the Temple.

"....And Hilkiah the high priest said unto Shaphan the scribe, I have found the book of the law in the house of the LORD. And Hilkiah gave the book to Shaphan, and he read it.
And Shaphan the scribe came to the king, and brought the king word again, and said, Thy servants have gathered the money that was found in the house, and have delivered it into the hand of them that do the work, that have the oversight of the house of the LORD.
And Shaphan the scribe shewed the king, saying, Hilkiah the priest hath delivered me a book. And Shaphan read it before the king.
And it came to pass, when the king had heard the words of the book of the law, that he rent his clothes.
And the king commanded Hilkiah the priest, and Ahikam the son of Shaphan, and Achbor the son of Michaiah, and Shaphan the scribe, and Asahiah a servant of the king's, saying,
Go ye, enquire of the LORD for me, and for the people, and for all Judah, concerning the words of this book that is found: for great is the wrath of the LORD that is kindled against us, because our fathers have not hearkened unto the words of this book, to do according unto all that which is written concerning us."

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #7 - Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 1:19pm

Notwithstanding, that many Jews have declared their disdain [if not hatred!] for the state of Israel [and even their disinterest in their God].....

The bible itself declares that the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, is Zionist 'numero uno'.

Psalms 129:4
The LORD is righteous: he hath cut asunder the cords of the wicked.
5 Let them all be confounded and turned back that hate Zion.

Psalms 132:13
For the LORD hath chosen Zion; he hath desired it for his habitation.

'Zion' bible quotes....
Gillard backs Israel
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1353036139/478#478

The state of Israel, 1948....

Isaiah 66:5
Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name's sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.
6 A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the LORD that rendereth recompence to his enemies.
7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.
8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
9 Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the LORD: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God.
10 Rejoice ye with Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all ye that love her: rejoice for joy with her, all ye that mourn for her:
11 That ye may suck, and be satisfied with the breasts of her consolations; that ye may milk out, and be delighted with the abundance of her glory.
12 For thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will extend peace to her like a river, and the glory of the Gentiles like a flowing stream: then shall ye suck, ye shall be borne upon her sides, and be dandled upon her knees.
13 As one whom his mother comforteth, so will I comfort you; and ye shall be comforted in Jerusalem.
14 And when ye see this, your heart shall rejoice, and your bones shall flourish like an herb: and the hand of the LORD shall be known toward his servants, and his indignation toward his enemies.

There are many, many ref's to beloved 'Zion' in the Bible.

The Jewish people, ....they are a people tested and found wanting, but the Jewish people remain a people blessed by their God.

Isaiah 40:1
Comfort ye, comfort ye my people, saith your God.
2 Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the LORD'S hand double for all her sins.

Isaiah 41:8-14
But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend...

Isaiah 43:1-7
But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine...

Isaiah 44:1-8
Yet now hear, O Jacob my servant; and Israel, whom I have chosen:
Thus saith the LORD that made thee, and formed thee from the womb, which will help thee; Fear not, O Jacob, my servant; and thou, Jesurun, whom I have chosen...

Isaiah 54:4
Fear not; for thou shalt not be ashamed: neither be thou confounded; for thou shalt not be put to shame: for thou shalt forget the shame of thy youth, and shalt not remember the reproach of thy widowhood any more.
5 For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.
6 For the LORD hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.
7 For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.
8 In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the LORD thy Redeemer.

Read 'the Song of Moses'.

Deuteronomy 31:14 - Deuteronomy 32:47

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #8 - Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 2:29pm

Yadda wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 1:19pm:

Yadda many of the architects of the modern zionist movement were atheists. Conversely, many devout, orthodox jews are anti-zionist - and base their anti-zionism on jewish doctrine.

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #9 - Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 6:38pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 2:29pm:

Yadda wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 1:19pm:

Yadda many of the architects of the modern zionist movement were atheists.

No argument.

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 2:29pm:

Conversely, many devout, orthodox jews are anti-zionist - and base their anti-zionism on jewish doctrine.

So those religious Jews believe what gandalf ?

That it was NOT God's will for the Jews from all over the world, to come back to their ancient homeland ?

That it was NOT God's will for the Jews to establish the state of Israel in 1948 ?

gandalf,

I was under the impression that you moslems believed that nothing could happen in the world of men, unless it was in accord with God's will ???

gandalf,

QUESTION;
Do, OR, do not, moslems believe that nothing can happen in the world, unless it is in accord with God's will ???

Jeremiah 16:14
Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that it shall no more be said, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
15 But, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers.

Jeremiah 23:7
Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that they shall no more say, The LORD liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
8 But, The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.i

IMAGE.....

"Abdullah my brother, the Jews have usurped us, and have created a great nation.
WAIL! WAIL! WAIL!
But Allah is going help us when we fight against those dastardly Zionists!!

YOU FIRST, Abdullah my brother, i will be right behind you. Honest!"

/sarc off

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #10 - Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 6:49pm

The Jewish bible is a fake book.

wally1 knows it!

wally1 wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 12:35pm:

Probabaly was in the bible but the the bible is a fake book and was probabaly changed, omitted and erased.

Hey wally1,

I just changed and edited my bible. Tongue

Hey wally1,

Check out the changes that i have made to the bible, below.....

Yadda wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 6:38pm:

gandalf,

I was under the impression that you moslems believed that nothing could happen in the world of men, unless it was in accord with God's will ???

gandalf,

QUESTION;
Do, OR, do not, moslems believe that nothing can happen in the world, unless it is in accord with God's will ???

Jeremiah 16:14
Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that it shall no more be said, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
15 But, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers.

Jeremiah 23:7
Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that they shall no more say, The LORD liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
8 But, The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #11 - Mar 4^th, 2014 at 3:47pm

Yadda wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 6:38pm:

So those religious Jews believe what gandalf ?

That it was NOT God's will for the Jews from all over the world, to come back to their ancient homeland ?

That it was NOT God's will for the Jews to establish the state of Israel in 1948 ?

Why are you asking me? All I know is that these people exist. Try starting with Neturei Karta

Yadda wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 6:38pm:

Do, OR, do not, moslems believe that nothing can happen in the world, unless it is in accord with God's will ???

Thats a very deep question Y, and one that has occupied volumes in endless debate - both amongst christians and muslims.

But I see where you are going with this...

Yadda wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 6:38pm:

Jeremiah 23:7
Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that they shall no more say, The LORD liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
8 But, The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.

I'm not here to argue the anti-zionist-jewish case, but isn't it something along the lines of God forbids creating this homeland until the messiah emerges? I'm surprised you are not familiar with this doctrinal argument yourself.

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Taipan Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1091 SouthWest Sydney Gender:	Re: Zionistic Utopia Reply #12 - Mar 4^th, 2014 at 6:49pm It says in the Encyclopeadia Judaica that "World Jewry is Edom." They're edomites, not Israelites.
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Reply #13 - Mar 4^th, 2014 at 10:22pm

Taipan wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 6:49pm:

It says in the Encyclopeadia Judaica that "World Jewry is Edom."

They're edomites, not Israelites.

Does it indeed ?

Well you believe that, if you want to, ......if it gives you comfort to believe a lie.

The bible identifies the people of Edom as another people.

Isaiah 63:1
Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this that is glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save.
2 Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat?
3 I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment.
4 For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come.

In the context of Psalms 83, Ezekiel 35 and Ezekiel 36,

Idumea = = Edom = = Jordan = = 'Palestinians'

Taipan,

You can believe whatever you want to believe.

We all do.

I know that i do.

Psalms 25:8
Good and upright is the LORD: therefore will he teach sinners in the way.
9 The meek will he guide in judgment: and the meek will he teach his way.

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #14 - Mar 4^th, 2014 at 10:42pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 2:29pm:

many of the architects of the modern zionist movement were atheists.

I call bullsh1t on this.

muslims are bigoted towards atheists,13 Islamic countries have the death penalty for atheists which proves they are deadly barbaric bigots when it comes to those who disbelieve in fairy tales.

Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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