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Reply #15 - Mar 2nd, 2014 at 8:27am
 
De-registered User wrote on Mar 2nd, 2014 at 8:10am:
What I want to know is.......................
Is this a form of employment?
It's not volunteering by any means.
So in essence you are being employed by the government to earn the dole you receive, hence the name "work for the dole"

So my questions are,
what happens if someone injures them selves whilst on "work for the dole"
do they claim workcover?
Can they sue the government for being injured, example:  A unemployed person has secured a paid position of $1000 per week but the employer does not require them to commence that employment for further 2 or up to 4 weeks, in the mean time they are required to work for the dole and he or she injures themselves and is not able to commence paid employment and has now lost that job.

Any takers on this one???????????????   



If they injure themselves they would automatically go onto sickness benefits (unable to work).

They would have to be covered by Workcover, whether on WFTD or Green Corps. They would have to claim compensation from the government, probably through the courts.

There's plenty of legal firms that will fight for you on a no win, no pay basis.
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Reply #16 - Mar 2nd, 2014 at 8:40am
 
Tony Abbott's green army will be paid half the minimum wage

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A ''green army'' of 15,000 young people will be paid as little as half the minimum wage, as fresh details emerge of the federal government's plan to create Australia's largest environmental workforce. 

The plans have attracted the ire of the ACTU, which says the workers will be excluded from protections granted by federal workplace laws and says the program threatens to reset youth wage rates sharply lower.      Shocked

Under legislation introduced by Environment Minister Greg Hunt on Wednesday, green army participants - who will be aged 17 to 24 - will work up to 30 hours a week.

Young people who fill the green army's ranks will be paid about half the minimum wage, earning between $304.20 and $493.70 a week.

The wages compare with $622.20 a week for the minimum wage and the basic rate of $250.50 a week for a single person getting Newstart, or the dole. The scheme is modelled on John Howard's Green Corps, and will be an alternative to work-for-the-dole programs.

Those enlisted will do manual labour, including clearing local creeks and waterways, fencing and tree planting.

Green army members will be exempt from Commonwealth workplace laws, including the Work Health and Safety Act, the Fair Work Act and the Safety, Rehabilitation and Compensation Act.

They will be given the chance to take part in formal training as part of their duties, but will lose their Centrelink benefits.

The scheme could dent the youth joblessness rate of 12.4 per cent but Mr Hunt's office stressed that it was ''an environmental and training program, not an employment program''.

Mr Hunt said the scheme would pay young people ''significantly'' more than they would receive from Centrelink allowances, and he hoped that the skills young people learnt on the job would encourage them to move into full-time work.

''It's giving every young person in Australia the chance to do something for the environment, and it's bizarre that anybody would oppose, at this time, a youth training program that helps the environment and increases, significantly, the youths' wages.''

But ACTU president Ged Kearney said workers should be covered by appropriate workplace protections.

''This is about taking away well-paid, well-protected jobs from people and replacing them with low-paid, unsafe jobs,'' she said. ''This is not about getting people on the margins of the workforce into work; this is about providing a low-paid workforce.''      Sad

Mr Hunt said all members would be covered by workplace protections including state and territory occupational health and safety laws, insurance provided by the government and by ''service providers'' paid by the government to recruit, establish and manage teams. They would also be protected by federal work health and safety ''compliance orders''.

The government will target indigenous Australians, people with disabilities, gap-year students, graduates and the unemployed.

Greens MP Adam Bandt said: ''Only Tony Abbott could create a 'workforce' where the workers aren't legally workers and have no workplace rights. If a green army supervisor and a worker under their command get injured while wielding a pick or building a lookout, the supervisor will have the same safety and compensation protections as ordinary employees but the worker won't.''   Sad

Labor's environment spokesman, Mark Butler, said the government should release more details. ''With only four months until this program is due to start, no one is clear on the specific detail about how the Green Army will work. Of considerable concern are the exemptions from work health and safety, compensation and industrial relations laws.''   Sad

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbotts-green-army-will-be-paid-half-the-minimum-wage-20140301-33st7.html#ixzz2uklgN5iD
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Reply #17 - Mar 2nd, 2014 at 8:44am
 
aquascoot wrote on Mar 2nd, 2014 at 7:15am:
Excellent scheme
A chance to get fit, give something back, network and increase social contacts and a practical program that will teach skills and improve the environment. Will be popular with taxpayers and will be life changing if participants approach it with the right spirit,
A true win,win,win,win,win.  I can see no downside.


so you'll  volunteering your time then?
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Reply #18 - Mar 2nd, 2014 at 8:53am
 
The government will target indigenous Australians, people with disabilities, gap-year students, graduates and the unemployed.

People with disabilities should not worry, any work prior to undertaking must be first be reviewed and then signed off by the persons GP. if GP deems the work is not suitable and not within the disabled persons capacity then the person will not have to participate in what has been offered as the work for the dole and still receive their entitled payments.
I also believe this would be the case for anyone reaching near their retirement age.
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Reply #19 - Mar 2nd, 2014 at 9:05am
 
John Smith wrote on Mar 2nd, 2014 at 8:44am:
aquascoot wrote on Mar 2nd, 2014 at 7:15am:
Excellent scheme
A chance to get fit, give something back, network and increase social contacts and a practical program that will teach skills and improve the environment. Will be popular with taxpayers and will be life changing if participants approach it with the right spirit,
A true win,win,win,win,win.  I can see no downside.


so you'll  volunteering your time then?

Not likely. That's only for other people.

Like many conservative commentators, scoot thinks it's a good idea to underpay young workers, yet would not hesitate to put out his hand for the full amount of rent when it falls due.
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Reply #20 - Mar 2nd, 2014 at 9:07am
 
If a few people are killed by this scheme, would that be a good enough excuse for a wide-ranging Royal Commission and cracking open the confidential cabinet papers of the former Abbott government?
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Reply #21 - Mar 2nd, 2014 at 9:10am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 2nd, 2014 at 8:27am:
De-registered User wrote on Mar 2nd, 2014 at 8:10am:
What I want to know is.......................
Is this a form of employment?
It's not volunteering by any means.
So in essence you are being employed by the government to earn the dole you receive, hence the name "work for the dole"

So my questions are,
what happens if someone injures them selves whilst on "work for the dole"
do they claim workcover?
Can they sue the government for being injured, example:  A unemployed person has secured a paid position of $1000 per week but the employer does not require them to commence that employment for further 2 or up to 4 weeks, in the mean time they are required to work for the dole and he or she injures themselves and is not able to commence paid employment and has now lost that job.

Any takers on this one???????????????   



If they injure themselves they would automatically go onto sickness benefits (unable to work).

They would have to be covered by Workcover, whether on WFTD or Green Corps. They would have to claim compensation from the government, probably through the courts.

There's plenty of legal firms that will fight for you on a no win, no pay basis.


I dont think you really understand the implications of being seriously injured whilst on this program.
The injured person could be in rehabilitation and not fit for any duties including looking for paid employment anywhere from 1week and possibly up to 52 weeks or more depending on injury.
In regards to the scenario in my previous post, the person has now lost a secured paid position of $1000 per week due to the injury received whilst on the WFTD program and still receiving benefits from the government.
1. Can the person sue the government for lost wages and projected wage increases until the person is fit to look for work again or until the worker "secures" similar paid work again which possibly could take many years.
This could get very expensive for the tax payer and ruin the injured person. No matter how legitimate the claim would be the claim could take years to finalize and depending on the persons financial position this could send some over the edge. I dont think the government would have any legal right to be exempt from this. 
What happens if the person is injured whilst travelling to and from the program?

Who do these people have to turn to for the right of being safe whilst on the WFTD program? Who is the watch dog? it can not possibly be self governed!

This is real time when a union is needed to support these people.      
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Reply #22 - Mar 2nd, 2014 at 4:07pm
 
Abbott said that $80,000 was not enough to live on and yet he wants to pay workers less than minimum wage.

How do these people pay their bills when they are on slave wages?
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Reply #23 - Mar 2nd, 2014 at 4:18pm
 
Exactly what skills will the person learn?

We've got Asia at our footsteps all learning high tech skills and then getting those industries, and our government is going to solve youth unemployment by having everyone grow trees and get half the minimum wage for it.

Great scheme, that puts Australia ahead of the rest in the high tech 21st century.  What a bounce of morons.
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Reply #24 - Mar 2nd, 2014 at 4:21pm
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 2nd, 2014 at 4:18pm:
Exactly what skills will the person learn?



How to work with poor pay rates and no working conditions in an unsafe environment doing a job which will not achieve a thing other than a political pretence?
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Reply #25 - Mar 2nd, 2014 at 4:28pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Mar 2nd, 2014 at 4:07pm:
Abbott said that $80,000 was not enough to live on and yet he wants to pay workers less than minimum wage.

How do these people pay their bills when they are on slave wages?




It is more than the dole cheque they were recieving before, so they shouldn't complain too much.

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Reply #26 - Mar 2nd, 2014 at 4:29pm
 
Not to mention that this scheme is better suited for
1. Work visa holders
2. Minimum security criminals for rehabilitation
Or
3. Refugees, for integration programs

Not graduates.  Nor skilled young people who may be struggling to find work as a result of the sliding economy. 

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Reply #27 - Mar 2nd, 2014 at 4:32pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2014 at 4:28pm:
adelcrow wrote on Mar 2nd, 2014 at 4:07pm:
Abbott said that $80,000 was not enough to live on and yet he wants to pay workers less than minimum wage.

How do these people pay their bills when they are on slave wages?




It is more than the dole cheque they were recieving before, so they shouldn't complain too much.


You missed the point bigol ... as usual ... no one said those on the dole earn $80 000 ...

Abbott once claimed that $80 000 wasn't enough to live on ... if thats how he feels, why does he want to pay these people a third of that amount to plant his trees?
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Reply #28 - Mar 2nd, 2014 at 4:35pm
 
John Smith wrote on Mar 2nd, 2014 at 4:32pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2014 at 4:28pm:
adelcrow wrote on Mar 2nd, 2014 at 4:07pm:
Abbott said that $80,000 was not enough to live on and yet he wants to pay workers less than minimum wage.

How do these people pay their bills when they are on slave wages?




It is more than the dole cheque they were recieving before, so they shouldn't complain too much.


You missed the point bigol ... as usual ... no one said those on the dole earn $80 000 ...

Abbott once claimed that $80 000 wasn't enough to live on ... if thats how he feels, why does he want to pay these people a third of that amount to plant his trees?


John, because all young people are bludgers who want to be on the dole.  And don't get me started on those disabled people.

Obviously.
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Reply #29 - Mar 2nd, 2014 at 4:40pm
 
John Smith wrote on Mar 2nd, 2014 at 4:32pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2014 at 4:28pm:
adelcrow wrote on Mar 2nd, 2014 at 4:07pm:
Abbott said that $80,000 was not enough to live on and yet he wants to pay workers less than minimum wage.

How do these people pay their bills when they are on slave wages?




It is more than the dole cheque they were recieving before, so they shouldn't complain too much.


You missed the point bigol ... as usual ... no one said those on the dole earn $80 000 ...

Abbott once claimed that $80 000 wasn't enough to live on ... if thats how he feels, why does he want to pay these people a third of that amount to plant his trees?



Both of you didn't read the story.

Who gives a bugger that some welfare recipient doesn't get $80k to plant trees, they get more than the dole, so they should be happy they they got a 'pay rise'.


Personnaly I don't give a bugger what abbott has to say, you people need to learn that pollies, ALL pollies, are lying peices of sh1t. I bet i could track down some labor idiot complain that some huge amount of money is tough to live on too, so friggen what.

You are both so focused on what that idiot abbott says and have a pathalogical need to make everything about him, no-one cares, he's just another POS pollie. We will get a different one soon enough and you still won't be happy.




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