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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: Effects of immigration, Is life better? Reply #15 - Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 9:32am Not 100% sure on the unintentional either.
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Reply #16 - Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 9:32am

John Smith wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 9:28am:

Sparky wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 9:26am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 9:22am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 8:41am:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 8:39am:

Stratos wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 8:02am:

It never ceases to amaze me, the absolute irony of Australians when it comes to being anti-immigration.

The detrimental effect that European immigration had on the aborigines is far worse than anything that any of your whining complaints, most of which by the way have almost nothing to do with immigration in the first place. Come back when you don't want to blame a minority for all of your problems.

Can always expect some lefty to bring up race when it comes to immigration and its always about the blacks, and they always believe in some fantasy world the Abo's had before the white man. The white man saved the Abo's from extinction. Fact!
Life was hard before the White man Fact!
Kidnapping was common before the white man Fact!
Rape was common before the White man Fact!
Murder was common before the White man Fact!
Extinction of native wildlife before white man Fact!

yep, we took 'em out of caves, walking and chewing bark for medicine.
Gave them houses, cars and a dental plan.

We also gave them small pox, measles, TB and groovy good stuff like that.

Not to mention some outright massacres.

Keep going Sprint, you will get a brain one day!

Giving aborigines diseases was never intentional. If that is so then you are the blame for every time you've past the flu on in your life.

how does that excuse anything? I'm sure the drunk didn't mean to run over the kid ... it was an accident

Well it excuses it because how can you be the blame for something you never meant to do.

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Sparky Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1338 Gender:	Re: Effects of immigration, Is life better? Reply #17 - Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 9:37am St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 9:32am: Not 100% sure on the unintentional either. That diseased blanket stuff has found to be rubbish. Why would the white man handle things that could make him sick?
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Reply #18 - Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 9:51am

I support the immigration of danish, german and finnish engineers. This would make our lives better.
It would help kick start a "new technology" revolution in wind farming, solar panels and hydrogen technology

The sudanese, somalis and iranians may also help with some renewable energies. Donkeys turning waterwheels and the burning of cattle dung

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Reply #19 - Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 10:30am

aquascoot wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 9:51am:

It would help kick start a "new technology" revolution in wind farming, solar panels and hydrogen technology

With Abbott gutting everything that's not to do with mining coal & highways???????

Yeah Right.

He'd import them, ridicule them as being "Elitist" then ship off to Manus to be beaten to death & tell them its their own bloody fault.

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Reply #20 - Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 10:45am

aquascoot wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 9:51am:

I support the immigration of danish, german and finnish engineers. This would make our lives better.
It would help kick start a "new technology" revolution in wind farming, solar panels and hydrogen technology

The sudanese, somalis and iranians may also help with some renewable energies. Donkeys turning waterwheels and the burning of cattle dung

Yes, invite immigrants that vastly benefit Aussie.
Intelligent white attactive Europeans/Americans sound good to me.

Oh, course, they would be Christians too.

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Effects of immigration, Is life better? Reply #21 - Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 10:49am Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 10:45am: Oh, course, they would be Christians too. Christians involved in abuse are currently in are currently under an Australia wide investigation. They have ruined far more people's lives than recent immigration.
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Reply #22 - Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 10:52am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 10:45am:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 9:51am:

I support the immigration of danish, german and finnish engineers. This would make our lives better.
It would help kick start a "new technology" revolution in wind farming, solar panels and hydrogen technology

The sudanese, somalis and iranians may also help with some renewable energies. Donkeys turning waterwheels and the burning of cattle dung

Yes, invite immigrants that vastly benefit Aussie.
Intelligent white attactive Europeans/Americans sound good to me.

Oh, course, they would be Christians too.

Indeed sprint, why import Tuk Tuks when you can get a Mercedes for the same price (actually a lot cheaper to the tax payer)

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Effects of immigration, Is life better? Reply #23 - Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 10:52am Sparky wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 9:32am: Well it excuses it because how can you be the blame for something you never meant to do. No? Well how about these. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_of_Indigenous_Australians
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Reply #24 - Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 10:56am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 10:30am:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 9:51am:

It would help kick start a "new technology" revolution in wind farming, solar panels and hydrogen technology

With Abbott gutting everything that's not to do with mining coal & highways???????

Yeah Right.

He'd import them, ridicule them as being "Elitist" then ship off to Manus to be beaten to death & tell them its their own bloody fault.

Abbot is a big spending, big government, big NDIS, big PPL scheme kind of guy. European entrepreneurs wouldnt want to work under a regime that punishes capital gains,doesnt allow employee share options without ruthless CGT, has the highest business taxes, doesnt allow write offs for R and D , has no flexible workforce, has a public education system that spends no money on the cream and only concentrates on the kids with ADD etc , giving them extra teaching staff.
No, they'll go to east asia where they will be welcomed

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Reply #25 - Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 11:56am

Stratos wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 10:52am:

Sparky wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 9:32am:

Well it excuses it because how can you be the blame for something you never meant to do.

No? Well how about these.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_of_Indigenous_Australians

I wasn't talking about massacres. I was talking about how aborigines were unintentionally exposed to European diseases. Some of the resident loonies on here think that the Europeans are to blame anyway. Going by that silly point of view then we all the blame for every time we passed on the flu.

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Reply #26 - Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 12:12pm

Until we can effect some meaningful structural changes to our economy which will enable us to cope with a massive old age population, I'm afraid we are stuck with high immigration. Japan is currently a good test case for how a developed economy with chronically low birth rates can cope with virtually zero immigration. Whether their current prosperity will be sustained is still an open question, but one thing for certain is that our culture and economy is vastly different to Japans - such that Japan is far better equipped to deal with an ageing population than we are (eg retirees are less dependent on government, people retire at an older age and the nation's economy is far more efficient and automated allowing for a relatively smaller workforce).

So for the time being we are stuck with high immigration - which is the only mechanism we have to sustain our increasingly aged population. Of course long term, it actually perpetuates the problem, since immigrants age too, and invariably adopt our culture of low birth rates.

The other factor to remember is that a very large portion of our immigration intake is not even set by the official intake - eg New Zealanders and spouse visas

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Reply #27 - Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 12:21pm

Most people don't mind immigration. There probably is a concern with the quality of immigration. I personally believe people should have a command of the english language, a compatible attitude and an educational standard before getting a visa. That's one of the reasons people aren't to happy with too many boat people. It costs millions upon millions of dollars to get some immigrants up to scratch. Do we need anymore factory workers?? Having an attitude to integration is very helpful too. That's another concern with the boat people issue.

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crocodile Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6683 Gender:	Re: Effects of immigration, Is life better? Reply #28 - Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 1:03pm http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mf/3301.0 With a net reproduction rate of less than one there appears to be little other choice.
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Lobo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7407 Sydney Gender:	Re: Effects of immigration, Is life better? Reply #29 - Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 1:04pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 8:39am: St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 7:58am: You forgot the mafia, sprinty! English union thugs. And the soccer ones aren't any better....
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