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Mar 4th, 2014 at 2:54pm
 
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/policy/cracks-curtail-border-pa...

OPERATION Sovereign Borders has been dealt a blow, with about half of the navy’s patrol boat fleet suddenly confined to port after the discovery of major structural cracks that make them unseaworthy in rough seas.

The dramatic setback means that navy is able to provide only about half of the mandated number of its Armidale-class patrol boats to the military-run OSB as it seeks to intercept and turn back asylum-seeker boats.
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Reply #1 - Mar 4th, 2014 at 3:09pm
 
Send submarines instead.
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Reply #2 - Mar 4th, 2014 at 3:13pm
 
A few rowing boats might be available.
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Reply #3 - Mar 4th, 2014 at 3:45pm
 
Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 2:54pm:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/policy/cracks-curtail-border-pa...

OPERATION Sovereign Borders has been dealt a blow, with about half of the navy’s patrol boat fleet suddenly confined to port after the discovery of major structural cracks that make them unseaworthy in rough seas.

The dramatic setback means that navy is able to provide only about half of the mandated number of its Armidale-class patrol boats to the military-run OSB as it seeks to intercept and turn back asylum-seeker boats.




6 bloody years being used as a ferry service.. any wonder.

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Reply #4 - Mar 4th, 2014 at 3:56pm
 
cods wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 3:45pm:
Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 2:54pm:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/policy/cracks-curtail-border-pa...

OPERATION Sovereign Borders has been dealt a blow, with about half of the navy’s patrol boat fleet suddenly confined to port after the discovery of major structural cracks that make them unseaworthy in rough seas.

The dramatic setback means that navy is able to provide only about half of the mandated number of its Armidale-class patrol boats to the military-run OSB as it seeks to intercept and turn back asylum-seeker boats.




6 bloody years being used as a ferry service.. any wonder.

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Did they have something else to do?
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Reply #5 - Mar 4th, 2014 at 4:08pm
 
Aussie wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 3:56pm:
cods wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 3:45pm:
Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 2:54pm:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/policy/cracks-curtail-border-pa...

OPERATION Sovereign Borders has been dealt a blow, with about half of the navy’s patrol boat fleet suddenly confined to port after the discovery of major structural cracks that make them unseaworthy in rough seas.

The dramatic setback means that navy is able to provide only about half of the mandated number of its Armidale-class patrol boats to the military-run OSB as it seeks to intercept and turn back asylum-seeker boats.




6 bloody years being used as a ferry service.. any wonder.

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Did they have something else to do?




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so all of a sudden its ok for our service men to be used as a ferrying service..

but gawd help us if we send them to fight..


hilarious...yes I would think they did have something else to do..

why dont you ask them.

I am sure the  crew didnt join the navy to be Taxi Drivers.


makes one wonder what they did join up for???...

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so all of a sudden its ok for our service men to be used as a ferrying service..


I did not say that...but....I'll take up the point.

They were the Agency which assisted Australia meet its UNHCR obligations.  That is an issue I've never seen you address.
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Reply #7 - Mar 4th, 2014 at 4:34pm
 
When the asylum boat crashed onto the rocks of Christmas Is., 2010 I think, there was talk of a patrol boat sheltering in the lee of a headland because there was some doubt about it's operating in stormy seas.

I wonder how long these problems have been known.

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Reply #8 - Mar 4th, 2014 at 4:49pm
 
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STOP THE BOATS !



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Reply #9 - Mar 4th, 2014 at 5:00pm
 
Lobo wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 4:34pm:
When the asylum boat crashed onto the rocks of Christmas Is., 2010 I think, there was talk of a patrol boat sheltering in the lee of a headland because there was some doubt about it's operating in stormy seas.

I wonder how long these problems have been known

Smiley



What...and they've just ignored it for 4 years....

Where would you park a boat in dirty weather, out in the open copping it sweet, or slip into the lee of an island...
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Reply #10 - Mar 4th, 2014 at 5:12pm
 
Rider wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 5:00pm:
Lobo wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 4:34pm:
When the asylum boat crashed onto the rocks of Christmas Is., 2010 I think, there was talk of a patrol boat sheltering in the lee of a headland because there was some doubt about it's operating in stormy seas.

I wonder how long these problems have been known

Smiley



What...and they've just ignored it for 4 years....

Where would you park a boat in dirty weather, out in the open copping it sweet, or slip into the lee of an island...


The Howard Government commissioned these vessels and is fully responsible for their inability to operate in rough seas.....The fault lies with the Coalition who botched the procurement from the start!!!

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/national/rans-flawed-patrol-boats/story-e6fre...
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Reply #11 - Mar 4th, 2014 at 5:19pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 5:12pm:
Rider wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 5:00pm:
Lobo wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 4:34pm:
When the asylum boat crashed onto the rocks of Christmas Is., 2010 I think, there was talk of a patrol boat sheltering in the lee of a headland because there was some doubt about it's operating in stormy seas.

I wonder how long these problems have been known

Smiley



What...and they've just ignored it for 4 years....

Where would you park a boat in dirty weather, out in the open copping it sweet, or slip into the lee of an island...


The Howard Government commissioned these vessels and is fully responsible for their inability to operate in rough seas.....The fault lies with the Coalition who botched the procurement from the start!!!

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/national/rans-flawed-patrol-boats/story-e6fre...


More like Krudd and Gullard ran them into the ground when stripping the budget to find cash for Swans balanced budgets.

Granted, they may well be poor choices.
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Option 1.

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More like Krudd and Gullard ran them into the ground when stripping the budget to find cash for Swans balanced budgets.


Option 2.

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Granted, they may well be poor choices.


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Reply #13 - Mar 4th, 2014 at 5:25pm
 
Rider wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 5:19pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 5:12pm:
Rider wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 5:00pm:
Lobo wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 4:34pm:
When the asylum boat crashed onto the rocks of Christmas Is., 2010 I think, there was talk of a patrol boat sheltering in the lee of a headland because there was some doubt about it's operating in stormy seas.

I wonder how long these problems have been known

Smiley



What...and they've just ignored it for 4 years....

Where would you park a boat in dirty weather, out in the open copping it sweet, or slip into the lee of an island...


The Howard Government commissioned these vessels and is fully responsible for their inability to operate in rough seas.....The fault lies with the Coalition who botched the procurement from the start!!!

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/national/rans-flawed-patrol-boats/story-e6fre...


More like Krudd and Gullard ran them into the ground when stripping the budget to find cash for Swans balanced budgets.

Granted, they may well be poor choices.


Do you have any proof to support this claim.....The vessels where criticised before the ALP where in Government and cracks where appearing in 2007.....Just as the ALP where criticised for the Collins class submarine the Coalition needs to take responsibility for their own failings!!!

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November 04, 2007 11:00PM

THE Royal Australian Navy's $550 million Armidale Class patrol boats are in such poor condition that even the toilets and electricity outlets are not guaranteed to work. 
 
The 14 vessels, based in Cairns, Darwin and Dampier, are spending more time under repair than on patrol, according to sources.

Sailors claim conditions on the boats are so bad that the navy is losing people because of them. But the navy has denied any major problems with the boats and says just one is out of service in Darwin.

The entire fleet was tied up last year due to a water/fuel contamination problem.

Sailors say basic problems hamper the fleet, including constantly blocked toilets, unsecured anchors, communications failures and American-style power points that require adaptors to be fitted for Australian electrical equipment.

Other problems affecting morale include inadequate lighting, a lack of training specific to the boat and over-crowded shore establishments.

The navy requires the 21-person crews to rotate between the boats after a nine-week assignment followed by four weeks' respite, rather than being posted to a vessel for a two-year billet.

According to one crew member, that means there is no attachment to any boat.

"There is no pride or incentive to take pride in the boat," the crew member said.

"Morale is dead and sailors are leaving in disgust."

The navy defended the "multi-crewing model" saying it provided a 21-ship capability with just 14 vessels.

But sailors say a lack of permanent crews mean problems are not permanently solved. Some sailors had to bring their own power adaptors and extension leads.

In one case, a boat returned to port with a holed bow after it hit heavy weather. "The main anchor's two spikes just flap in the breeze and there were holes in both sides of the bow," a sailor said.

Opposition defence spokesman Joel Fitzgibbon said it was remarkable that so many design faults had made it through to manufacture.

"The difficulties experienced with the Armidale Class patrol boats are symptomatic of this Government's failure in leadership on defence procurement," he said.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/national/rans-flawed-patrol-boats/story-e6fre...


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Reply #14 - Mar 4th, 2014 at 5:46pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 5:25pm:
Rider wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 5:19pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 5:12pm:
Rider wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 5:00pm:
Lobo wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 4:34pm:
When the asylum boat crashed onto the rocks of Christmas Is., 2010 I think, there was talk of a patrol boat sheltering in the lee of a headland because there was some doubt about it's operating in stormy seas.

I wonder how long these problems have been known

Smiley



What...and they've just ignored it for 4 years....

Where would you park a boat in dirty weather, out in the open copping it sweet, or slip into the lee of an island...


The Howard Government commissioned these vessels and is fully responsible for their inability to operate in rough seas.....The fault lies with the Coalition who botched the procurement from the start!!!

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/national/rans-flawed-patrol-boats/story-e6fre...


More like Krudd and Gullard ran them into the ground when stripping the budget to find cash for Swans balanced budgets.

Granted, they may well be poor choices.


Do you have any proof to support this claim.....The vessels where criticised before the ALP where in Government and cracks where appearing in 2007.....Just as the ALP where criticised for the Collins class submarine the Coalition needs to take responsibility for their own failings!!!

Quote:
November 04, 2007 11:00PM

THE Royal Australian Navy's $550 million Armidale Class patrol boats are in such poor condition that even the toilets and electricity outlets are not guaranteed to work. 
 
The 14 vessels, based in Cairns, Darwin and Dampier, are spending more time under repair than on patrol, according to sources.

Sailors claim conditions on the boats are so bad that the navy is losing people because of them. But the navy has denied any major problems with the boats and says just one is out of service in Darwin.

The entire fleet was tied up last year due to a water/fuel contamination problem.

Sailors say basic problems hamper the fleet, including constantly blocked toilets, unsecured anchors, communications failures and American-style power points that require adaptors to be fitted for Australian electrical equipment.

Other problems affecting morale include inadequate lighting, a lack of training specific to the boat and over-crowded shore establishments.

The navy requires the 21-person crews to rotate between the boats after a nine-week assignment followed by four weeks' respite, rather than being posted to a vessel for a two-year billet.

According to one crew member, that means there is no attachment to any boat.

"There is no pride or incentive to take pride in the boat," the crew member said.

"Morale is dead and sailors are leaving in disgust."

The navy defended the "multi-crewing model" saying it provided a 21-ship capability with just 14 vessels.

But sailors say a lack of permanent crews mean problems are not permanently solved. Some sailors had to bring their own power adaptors and extension leads.

In one case, a boat returned to port with a holed bow after it hit heavy weather. "The main anchor's two spikes just flap in the breeze and there were holes in both sides of the bow," a sailor said.

Opposition defence spokesman Joel Fitzgibbon said it was remarkable that so many design faults had made it through to manufacture.

"The difficulties experienced with the Armidale Class patrol boats are symptomatic of this Government's failure in leadership on defence procurement," he said.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/national/rans-flawed-patrol-boats/story-e6fre...


Huh Huh Huh


Yes I read that...in ONE case....

Not really a damning record is it...in 7 years it would seem.  Obviously you've never owned a boat.
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