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Re: Racism
Reply #15 - Mar 7^th, 2014 at 6:43am

mantra wrote on Mar 7^th, 2014 at 3:42am:

Banning Adelcrow is unfair. Most of us know that he was just fooling around. Andrei you might not realise it, but the racism you regularly display, is equally if not more offensive to some of us. You might use more civilised words, but the intent is still there.

Same goes for George when he referred to a gay political figure as a poofter. He was given a warning. Has anyone bothered to pull up those from the right who torment Buzz constantly with their filthy comments about homosexuality?

Once you start exercising your "do as I say not as I do" here - there is going to be dissension.

Political figures can be made fun of. It's not as if Adelcrow or George were being personally abusive to members - they were making fun of politicians and their ilk which the RW's also do, but with impunity.

you have a point ,mantra.. but as andrei said he did get warned...andrei is a MOD now..he too has to follow rules..and dispense them..

Joe btw was born in Sydney..

adel changed dramatically after the 7th...and has since got worse..[my opinion].

there are many MPs of ethnic heritage.how would it be if we all.. went mad and used it as an insulting weapon...???.

do you really think the boards need lowering to that level.?.

well done andrei....it isnt ok to use the term ABO..for good reason.... people dont like it.at least this righty doesnt.

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Reply #16 - Mar 7^th, 2014 at 7:26am

There is perhaps a bit too much name calling on this forum and that is probably what encourages people to make comments such as these. It does seem at times that the some comments that should give reason for disciplinary action are allowed to remain on record, presumably without any action being taken.

On another note, I would question whether it is factually correct to refer to Joe Hockey as an Arab. As I said elsewhere:Frances wrote on Mar 6^th, 2014 at 6:38pm:

Given that only Hockey's paternal grandmother was Palestinian, wouldn't his heritage be more Armenian than Palestinian? And I don't think you could call Armenians Arabs....

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mozzaok Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 6741 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Racism Reply #17 - Mar 7^th, 2014 at 7:59am Andrei was right to suspend Adelcrow, I would have done the same. Unfortunately I see the boards here once or twice a week at most, but from what I have seen, he seems to be doing a very good job modding here, which is a pain in the arse for free.
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Reply #18 - Mar 7^th, 2014 at 8:13am

In my opinion, Andrei & FD are correct, the term is question is derogatory & racist.

And, again in my opinion, we could do with –
1) A great deal less of this sort of approach, which is essentially seeking a Political edge/advantage, from ALL sides of Politics.
2) A great deal less of Politicians & their “supporters”, concentrating on their own short term interests.
3) A great deal more of Politicians & their “supporters”, concentrating on the Best long term interests of ALL Australians!

Cheers!

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Reply #19 - Mar 7^th, 2014 at 8:41am

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 7^th, 2014 at 8:13am:

In my opinion, Andrei & FD are correct, the term is question is derogatory & racist.

And, again in my opinion, we could do with –
1) A great deal less of this sort of approach, which is essentially seeking a Political edge/advantage, from ALL sides of Politics.
2) A great deal less of Politicians & their “supporters”, concentrating on their own short term interests.
3) A great deal more of Politicians & their “supporters”, concentrating on the Best long term interests of ALL Australians!

Cheers!

disagree entirely perc...

you want to control peoples thinking that isnt correct at all..

LONG TERM INTERESTS what does that mean??..

hypotheticals??.. no thanks..

we all need to take on other peoples point of view....maybe over time we win a few over...who knows..

its the personal bits that infuriate me...like at this moment greenswin takes great delight in calling Abbott a murderer...

this is bound to bring out attacks from the other side...after all he didnt open MANUS AGAIN..

I dont come on here to be abused.. or to read abuse...but its all some people have got.. and maybe they need to be sent to the naughty board..one for abusers... who knows...

but you cannot tell people what they can or should discuss.....ye gods thats a form of brainwashing...

its only allowed if it suits the mods..

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Reply #20 - Mar 7^th, 2014 at 10:00am

Maybe Andrei can explain how calling someone an Arab is more racist than calling them an Indian, Anglo or Native American. While Andrei is at he can also explain if he thinks calling an Indian a shoe shine boy is racist! I bet he can't /won't. Come on Andrei! up until now you have been bi partisan but now the stench of hypocrisy has crept into your judgment. I expect an unconditional apology for all of your racist statements about blacks and other coloured people and I also expect you to ban yourself for a week, or shut the ... Up.
Maybe you other mods can explain your reasoning that calling someone an Arab! Who is of Arab decent is racist? Because by your reasoning calling someone an American, African, Australian or European is also racist, has the world gone mad?

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Reply #21 - Mar 7^th, 2014 at 10:36am

mozzaok wrote on Mar 7^th, 2014 at 7:59am:

Unfortunately I see the boards here once or twice a week at most, but from what I have seen, he seems to be doing a very good job modding here, which is a pain in the arse for free.

Andrei and Perceptions are doing a good job, but a polite critique occasionally shouldn't hurt anyone with an open mind.

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Reply #22 - Mar 7^th, 2014 at 11:47am

cods wrote on Mar 7^th, 2014 at 8:41am:

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 7^th, 2014 at 8:13am:

In my opinion, Andrei & FD are correct, the term is question is derogatory & racist.

And, again in my opinion, we could do with –
1) A great deal less of this sort of approach, which is essentially seeking a Political edge/advantage, from ALL sides of Politics.
2) A great deal less of Politicians & their “supporters”, concentrating on their own short term interests.
3) A great deal more of Politicians & their “supporters”, concentrating on the Best long term interests of ALL Australians!

Cheers!

disagree entirely perc...

you want to control peoples thinking that isnt correct at all..

LONG TERM INTERESTS what does that mean??..

hypotheticals??.. no thanks..

we all need to take on other peoples point of view....maybe over time we win a few over...who knows..

its the personal bits that infuriate me...like at this moment greenswin takes great delight in calling Abbott a murderer...

this is bound to bring out attacks from the other side...after all he didnt open MANUS AGAIN..

I dont come on here to be abused.. or to read abuse...but its all some people have got.. and maybe they need to be sent to the naughty board..one for abusers... who knows...

but you cannot tell people what they can or should discuss.....ye gods thats a form of brainwashing...

its only allowed if it suits the mods..

So Cods, are you saying -
The term used against Joe Hockey, wasn't derogatory &/or racist?
We couldn't do with Politicians concentrating less on their own short term interests/graft/corruption?
We don't want Politicians to concentrate more on the Best long term interests of ALL Australians?

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Reply #23 - Mar 7^th, 2014 at 3:13pm

mantra wrote on Mar 7^th, 2014 at 10:36am:

mozzaok wrote on Mar 7^th, 2014 at 7:59am:

Unfortunately I see the boards here once or twice a week at most, but from what I have seen, he seems to be doing a very good job modding here, which is a pain in the arse for free.

Andrei and Perceptions are doing a good job, but a polite critique occasionally shouldn't hurt anyone with an open mind.

Mantra,

You had your turn at administering a Forum (Menagerie?) that Deepthought set up for you. You failed miserably as an Admin/Mod because you continuously deleted or over-moderated posts, to the extent of actually altering posts to suit your POV.

Several people here can back me up on this.

I'd suggest, dear, that you keep your opinion about moderation to yourself. You don't have a good record, or an unbiased, record. In other words. CEASE AND DESIST, giving advice about Moderation on this Forum.

Thank You.

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Reply #24 - Mar 7^th, 2014 at 3:29pm

Neferti wrote on Mar 7^th, 2014 at 3:13pm:

mantra wrote on Mar 7^th, 2014 at 10:36am:

mozzaok wrote on Mar 7^th, 2014 at 7:59am:

Unfortunately I see the boards here once or twice a week at most, but from what I have seen, he seems to be doing a very good job modding here, which is a pain in the arse for free.

Andrei and Perceptions are doing a good job, but a polite critique occasionally shouldn't hurt anyone with an open mind.

Mantra,

You had your turn at administering a Forum (Menagerie?) that Deepthought set up for you. You failed miserably as an Admin/Mod because you continuously deleted or over-moderated posts, to the extent of actually altering posts to suit your POV.

Several people here can back me up on this.

I'd suggest, dear, that you keep your opinion about moderation to yourself. You don't have a good record, or an unbiased, record. In other words. CEASE AND DESIST, giving advice about Moderation on this Forum.

Thank You.

Or, in other words Mantra... Nef refuses to acknowledge your right to free speech and will say what ever she can to deny your free speech irrespective of whether you view this as a right you and Nef should enjoy.

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Reply #25 - Mar 7^th, 2014 at 4:05pm

This is what Arab Joe said about Qantas:

"I'm very concerned about any dilution of Australian control of Qantas..Our experience has been that when companies have majority foreign ownership or majority foreign control then it actually has an impact on the social responsibility." - 16th December, 2009.

Arab Joe also said:

"There is a significant community benefit in having a national carrier." - 28th November, 2013.

Where is any racist comment or racist aspersion in those remarks?

The real problem here is that it was Andrei who waved the finger of scorn. Inarguably, of all posters I read almost always, it is Andrei who produces the seriously gross racial slurs, some of which have already been referred to ^^^^.

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Reply #26 - Mar 7^th, 2014 at 4:31pm

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 7^th, 2014 at 11:47am:

cods wrote on Mar 7^th, 2014 at 8:41am:

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 7^th, 2014 at 8:13am:

In my opinion, Andrei & FD are correct, the term is question is derogatory & racist.

And, again in my opinion, we could do with –
1) A great deal less of this sort of approach, which is essentially seeking a Political edge/advantage, from ALL sides of Politics.
2) A great deal less of Politicians & their “supporters”, concentrating on their own short term interests.
3) A great deal more of Politicians & their “supporters”, concentrating on the Best long term interests of ALL Australians!

Cheers!

disagree entirely perc...

you want to control peoples thinking that isnt correct at all..

LONG TERM INTERESTS what does that mean??..

hypotheticals??.. no thanks..

we all need to take on other peoples point of view....maybe over time we win a few over...who knows..

its the personal bits that infuriate me...like at this moment greenswin takes great delight in calling Abbott a murderer...

this is bound to bring out attacks from the other side...after all he didnt open MANUS AGAIN..

I dont come on here to be abused.. or to read abuse...but its all some people have got.. and maybe they need to be sent to the naughty board..one for abusers... who knows...

but you cannot tell people what they can or should discuss.....ye gods thats a form of brainwashing...

its only allowed if it suits the mods..

So Cods, are you saying -
The term used against Joe Hockey, wasn't derogatory &/or racist?
We couldn't do with Politicians concentrating less on their own short term interests/graft/corruption?
We don't want Politicians to concentrate more on the Best long term interests of ALL Australians?

YOU SAID AND I QUOTE......POLITICIANS AND THEIR "SUPPORTERS"

maybe I have misunderstood...

can you tell ,me where???

you seem to think that this forum has divine power to make MPs change their mind or think like the forum members with the loudest voices do?????????????

you are on e strange dude I can tell..

no this is a forum for almost FREE SPEECH...as long as it isnt swearing and abuse... if its just opinions..

who the hell doesnt think they can change the word..

when they are on a political board..

for goodness sake perc you sound like a few others on here.. if they are disagreed with..

So Cods, are you saying -
The term used against Joe Hockey, wasn't derogatory &/or racist?

no I didnt comment on that just your 1/2/3...questioning..

my comments on Joe and his background are in my previous post......

we do not pick our parentage...none of us do..

its stupid and rude to keep repeating like a parrot the same thing over and over..get a life and grow up..

and as I have already said.. I am on andreis side..if someone cannot see how childish their behaviour is on an adult forum.. then they have to be shown do they not?? Roll Eyes

the naughty corner may do it..

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Reply #27 - Mar 7^th, 2014 at 4:41pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 7^th, 2014 at 4:05pm:

This is what Arab Joe said about Qantas:

"I'm very concerned about any dilution of Australian control of Qantas..Our experience has been that when companies have majority foreign ownership or majority foreign control then it actually has an impact on the social responsibility." - 16th December, 2009.

Arab Joe also said:

"There is a significant community benefit in having a national carrier." - 28th November, 2013.

Where is any racist comment or racist aspersion in those remarks?

The real problem here is that it was Andrei who waved the finger of scorn. Inarguably, of all posters I read almost always, it is Andrei who produces the seriously gross racial slurs, some of which have already been referred to ^^^^.

You luvvie clowns are hilarious with your double standards and hypocrisy. Pity you are not as smart as you assume that you must be.

If someone mentions a muslim or aboriginal say committing a crime, you idiots are breaking your fingernails speed typing "what does religion/race/ethnicity have to do with it?".

But happily now religion, race or ancestry is able to be mentioned in an incidental way and the luvvie "who me? farted?" gormless expression disavowing any ulterior intent as demonstrated here can be used as precedent.

Thanks Aussie. You are one gun taxi driving lawyer. Cool

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Reply #28 - Mar 7^th, 2014 at 4:46pm

Sappho wrote on Mar 7^th, 2014 at 3:29pm:

Or, in other words Mantra... Nef refuses to acknowledge your right to free speech and will say what ever she can to deny your free speech irrespective of whether you view this as a right you and Nef should enjoy.

Neferti is one of the nastiest people on the net and a troll of the highest order and yes Sappho - he doesn't believe that I should have any free speech whatsoever, although he enjoys his defamatory and insulting free speech regardless of the harm he causes to people and the nasty gossip he spreads. He's better suited to PA where he can denigrate the Ozpolitic members to his heart's content without moderation. In fact I wonder why he even bothers joining political forums. He couldn't make a political post if his life depended on it.

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mantra Gold Member Offline ozpolitic.com Posts: 10750 Gender:	Re: Racism Reply #29 - Mar 7^th, 2014 at 4:59pm Neferti wrote on Mar 7^th, 2014 at 3:13pm: You failed miserably as an Admin/Mod because you continuously deleted or over-moderated posts, to the extent of actually altering posts to suit your POV. Several people here can back me up on this. Let these several people here come forward then or else retract your lies.
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