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Re: Racism
Reply #90 - Mar 8^th, 2014 at 3:09pm

mantra wrote on Mar 8^th, 2014 at 2:48pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 8^th, 2014 at 2:29pm:

Quota systems are the death of democracy.

Why do we need 'more women in politics' ~ ? It can only mean that women think in a different way to men in politics, and therefore government needs this female alternative view.

It's nonsense.

It's tantamount to demanding quotas on the basis of sexuality, religion, colour, vegetarianism, cultural background, cat-lovers, dog-lovers, generation, age, etc

It would look better for the Abbott administration to have a few more female ministers to at least represent female issues. It's a very one sided government at present run by a group of stodgy older males who are set in their ultra conservative ways.

Quota or not it speaks!

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Reply #91 - Mar 8^th, 2014 at 6:09pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 8^th, 2014 at 2:29pm:

Meanwhile ... here's a clear case of 'racism' being championed under another name.

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Victorian Liberal backbencher Sharman Stone has suggested her colleagues should look to Labor for ideas about how to get more women into politics.

"I'm beginning to think very seriously that really, the Liberal Party, we have to do more," Dr Stone told AM.

The Labor Party has long had a quota system in place, although it is yet to achieve its target of getting women into 40 per cent of its seats.

The Liberal Party is opposed to the Labor model of quotas, arguing candidates should be preselected on merit rather than gender.

Quota systems are the death of democracy.

Why do we need 'more women in politics' ~ ? It can only mean that women think in a different way to men in politics, and therefore government needs this female alternative view.

It's nonsense.

It's tantamount to demanding quotas on the basis of sexuality, religion, colour, vegetarianism, cultural background, cat-lovers, dog-lovers, generation, age, etc

The quotas for women is quite funny. Those pushing for it are doing it for 'diversity' purposes, but admitting that there's biological determinism at play in sexual differences. It's even more funny because these "progressives" believe biological determinism is a myth and that sexual differences are a social construct.

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Re: Racism
Reply #92 - Mar 8^th, 2014 at 7:33pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 8^th, 2014 at 6:09pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 8^th, 2014 at 2:29pm:

Meanwhile ... here's a clear case of 'racism' being championed under another name.

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Victorian Liberal backbencher Sharman Stone has suggested her colleagues should look to Labor for ideas about how to get more women into politics.

"I'm beginning to think very seriously that really, the Liberal Party, we have to do more," Dr Stone told AM.

The Labor Party has long had a quota system in place, although it is yet to achieve its target of getting women into 40 per cent of its seats.

The Liberal Party is opposed to the Labor model of quotas, arguing candidates should be preselected on merit rather than gender.

Quota systems are the death of democracy.

Why do we need 'more women in politics' ~ ? It can only mean that women think in a different way to men in politics, and therefore government needs this female alternative view.

It's nonsense.

It's tantamount to demanding quotas on the basis of sexuality, religion, colour, vegetarianism, cultural background, cat-lovers, dog-lovers, generation, age, etc

The quotas for women is quite funny. Those pushing for it are doing it for 'diversity' purposes, but admitting that there's biological determinism at play in sexual differences. It's even more funny because these "progressives" believe biological determinism is a myth and that sexual differences are a social construct.

Lol are you sure about all that?!!!!!

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Re: Racism
Reply #93 - Mar 8^th, 2014 at 8:04pm

If you can assimilate into any culture, regardless of your own cultural inclinations and standards and racial characteristics and identity, you have proved racism utterly baseless.

If cannot, you haven't.

That little suffix, -ism, makes the whole issue much more loaded than it should be, or is. Aborigines wishing to preserve their unique characteristics are utterly racists - except no tinted person be guilty of wanting to preserve cultural and racial characteristics. But every instance of Aboriginal cultural preservation would be labelled racists if it was done by non-Aboriginese, especially Europeans.
Racism is often (not always) a word used by people with a secret shame about their historical inferiority. It has been appropriated by the lazy and degraded and inferior and downright lumpen as an excuse and a diversion.

There is such a thing as hierarchy.

"Racisms' is used to overcome and wipe away the evidence of hierarchy of persons, cultures, values, behaviours, norms, historical worth, personal worth, collective worth - and yes, insofar as they map onto races, races.

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Reply #94 - Mar 8^th, 2014 at 8:08pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 8^th, 2014 at 2:29pm:

Quota systems are the death of democracy.

Group Preferences: Opiate of the Intellectuals

Quotas are intrinsically divisive and discriminatory (in the worst possible sense) because the number of categories into which humanity can be divided is infinite: only some categories, therefore, can be favoured, leaving others resentful and liable to seek political redress as their supposed salvation. Quotas therefore not only politicise life but embitter political life itself. They formalise favouritism, thus reinforcing the very problem they are meant to solve.

They necessarily inflate the role of government, for someone has to enforce them. Before long, the demand for equality (of a kind) undermines freedom because private associations are no longer able to make the rules they wish, a necessary condition for a truly liberal society in which government is not overweening or preponderant. The imposition of quotas is founded on the belief that everyone is a bigot unless forced by administrative fiat to be otherwise.
http://www.libertylawsite.org/2014/02/24/racial-preferences-opiate-of-the-intell...

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Re: Racism
Reply #95 - Mar 8^th, 2014 at 8:14pm

Soren wrote on Mar 8^th, 2014 at 8:04pm:

If you can assimilate into any culture, regardless of your own cultural inclinations and standards and racial characteristics and identity, you have proved racism utterly baseless.

If cannot, you haven't.

That little suffix, -ism, makes the whole issue much more loaded than it should be, or is. Aborigines wishing to preserve their unique characteristics are utterly racists - except no tinted person be guilty of wanting to preserve cultural and racial characteristics. But every instance of Aboriginal cultural preservation would be labelled racists if it was done by non-Aboriginese, especially Europeans.
Racism is often (not always) a word used by people with a secret shame about their historical inferiority. It has been appropriated by the lazy and degraded and inferior and downright lumpen as an excuse and a diversion.

There is such a thing as hierarchy.

"Racisms' is used to overcome and wipe away the evidence of hierarchy of persons, cultures, values, behaviours, norms, historical worth, personal worth, collective worth - and yes, insofar as they map onto races, races.

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Re: Racism
Reply #96 - Mar 8^th, 2014 at 8:17pm

Soren wrote on Mar 8^th, 2014 at 8:08pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 8^th, 2014 at 2:29pm:

Quota systems are the death of democracy.

Group Preferences: Opiate of the Intellectuals

Quotas are intrinsically divisive and discriminatory (in the worst possible sense) because the number of categories into which humanity can be divided is infinite: only some categories, therefore, can be favoured, leaving others resentful and liable to seek political redress as their supposed salvation. Quotas therefore not only politicise life but embitter political life itself. They formalise favouritism, thus reinforcing the very problem they are meant to solve.

They necessarily inflate the role of government, for someone has to enforce them. Before long, the demand for equality (of a kind) undermines freedom because private associations are no longer able to make the rules they wish, a necessary condition for a truly liberal society in which government is not overweening or preponderant. The imposition of quotas is founded on the belief that everyone is a bigot unless forced by administrative fiat to be otherwise.
http://www.libertylawsite.org/2014/02/24/racial-preferences-opiate-of-the-intell...

Quota or not its still a bad look!

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Re: Racism
Reply #97 - Mar 9^th, 2014 at 4:57am

I'm happy to have women sitting in our parliament if they are the best people for the job, but otherwise I find it pathetic and offensive that women are being channelled into a career in government on the basis of their gender credentials.

The Labor party tried to put this Social-Marxist idea into practice, but couldn't reach their quota of 40 females. Who knows how many intelligent and politically savvy males were overlooked because of this vulgar and simplistic selection process.

(Death ~ if you follow this up with another of your serial one-liners I'm going to call up the spirits of my ancestors to have them haunt you).

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Re: Racism
Reply #98 - Mar 9^th, 2014 at 6:02am

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 4:57am:

I'm happy to have women sitting in our parliament if they are the best people for the job, but otherwise I find it pathetic and offensive that women are being channelled into a career in government on the basis of their gender credentials.

The Labor party tried to put this Social-Marxist idea into practice, but couldn't reach their quota of 40 females. Who knows how many intelligent and politically savvy males were overlooked because of this vulgar and simplistic selection process.

(Death ~ if you follow this up with another of your serial one-liners I'm going to call up the spirits of my ancestors to have them haunt you).

okeley dokeley,

System breaks down. You can't deny systematic oppression requires systematic upheaval, period!??

Or can you?

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your court!

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Racism Reply #99 - Mar 9^th, 2014 at 6:33am BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 6:02am: okeley dokeley, Thanks, Death. This subject of 'racism' is one of the most misunderstood of all the social issues. It's even more misunderstood than the ideology of 'multiculturalism'.
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Re: Racism
Reply #100 - Mar 9^th, 2014 at 6:46am

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 6:33am:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 6:02am:

okeley dokeley,

Thanks, Death.

This subject of 'racism' is one of the most misunderstood of all the social issues.

It's even more misunderstood than the ideology of 'multiculturalism'.

Fair fair- its late. I was raised in New Guinea- my brother was born in New Guinea but it still buggers me.

It is a cancer and I'll come back to the conversation even tho I am guilty of transgression as a whitey in Australia at current.

Names can be so ugly but .. yeh I'll come back to it later!

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Re: Racism
Reply #101 - Mar 9^th, 2014 at 6:46am

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 8^th, 2014 at 3:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 8^th, 2014 at 2:56pm:

I agree.

Why have conservative parties?

We should have nothing but progressive, left wing parties competing in all elections.

Exactly.

All composed of coloured lesbians in wheelchairs who have adopted twin-daughters named 'Oprah' and 'Whoopie'.

How great would this country be if that were acheiveable.

We would be so progressive, nothing becoming systemic everything changing all of the time; no sooner does one group achieve favoured minority status before another group accuses them of being oppressors and demand to be 'equal'. And it rolls on ad infinitum.

I hope we all see that soon.

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Re: Racism
Reply #102 - Mar 9^th, 2014 at 6:54am

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 6:46am:

Fair fair- its late. I was raised in New Guinea- my brother was born in New Guinea but it still buggers me.

It is a cancer and I'll come back to the conversation even tho I am guilty of transgression as a whitey in Australia at current.

Names can be so ugly but .. yeh I'll come back to it later!

That will Make my Day, Death. I look forward to your return.

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Racism Reply #103 - Mar 9^th, 2014 at 7:08am Professors are telling us that having a quota of women in parliament is nothing more than a silly affectation based upon early childhood being all about pink or blue, dolls or cap-pistols. link
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Reply #104 - Mar 9^th, 2014 at 7:21am

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 7:08am:

Professors are telling us that having a quota of women in parliament is nothing more than a silly affectation based upon early childhood being all about pink or blue, dolls or cap-pistols.

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'She thinks women are better at multitasking as society requires them to be'

Not having read the rest of the article I thought always that they had to read atleast social cues, of which there are many and may almost/(probably?!?) qualify as multitasking because of the enormity of such, better than men as they have the absolute responsibilty of furthering generations.

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