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The Many Paths to Enlightenment!
Mar 12th, 2014 at 6:38pm
 
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"The Great Tradition" of Humankind and it's Spiritual Quest for God-Realization and Communion with the Divine.

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(Please feel welcome to post your musings, inspirations, quotations or perhaps imagery related to the above.)



I thought I would start with something humorous from the
"Crazy Wise Tradition".

Then something perhaps a bit more confronting to the ego ...  

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Reaching enlightenment


   
Nasreddin was walking in the bazaar with a large group of followers. Whatever Nasreddin did, his followers immediately copied. Every few steps Nasreddin would stop and shake his hands in the air, touch his feet and jump up yelling "Hu Hu Hu!". So his followers would also stop and do exactly the same thing.
    One of the merchants, who knew Nasreddin, quietly asked him: "What are you doing my old friend? Why are these people imitating you?"
    "I have become a Sufi Sheikh," replied Nasreddin. "These are my Murids (spiritual seekers); I am helping them reach enlightenment!"
    "How do you know when they reach enlightenment?"
    "That’s the easy part! Every morning I count them. The ones who have left – have reached enlightenment!"


Mullah Nasruddin
The Nasreddin stories are known throughout the Middle East and have touched cultures around the world. Superficially, most of the Nasreddin stories may be told as jokes or humorous anecdotes. They are told and retold endlessly in the teahouses and caravanserais of Asia and can be heard in homes and on the radio. But it is inherent in a Nasreddin story that it may be understood at many levels. There is the joke, followed by a moral and usually the little extra which brings the consciousness of the potential mystic a little further on the way to realization.


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A Quote by Adi Da Samraj on god and reality


There is only God.  REALITY is God and has never required your belief.  This reality no "one" survives.  In Ultimate Reality no "one" is saved either -- there is simply nothing to save you "from" :  you have not emerged from any "other" and there is no place else for "you" to disappear into.  Ever.


Adi Da Samraj
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Reply #1 - Mar 12th, 2014 at 6:47pm
 
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There is only God


Here is a list of 2,500 possible Gods:

http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=285

Which one do you refer to?
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Reply #2 - Mar 12th, 2014 at 7:25pm
 
The One in which all arises ... Reality, Consciousnesses Itself, The One Being, The Divine Person, The Divine, The One Light, The Self-Radiant Energy of Consciousness Itself, The Transcendental Spiritual Reality, Our Very Essence ...  Smiley  
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Reply #3 - Mar 12th, 2014 at 7:28pm
 
0ktema wrote on Mar 12th, 2014 at 7:25pm:
The One in which all arises ... Reality, Consciousnesses Itself, The One Being, The Divine Person, The Divine, The One Light, The Self-Radiant Energy of Consciousness Itself, The Transcendental Spiritual Reality, Our Very Essence ...  Smiley  



Wow - is he on the list?
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Reply #4 - Mar 12th, 2014 at 7:41pm
 
Who?

Edit: Sorry you meant the list of "Gods You Don’t Believe In"

I'll have to take my time to scroll through all the names presented and get back to you.

Though if I had to guess ... I would say probably not.
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Reply #5 - Mar 12th, 2014 at 8:24pm
 
The closest I can find (so far) is something from the Hindu tradition where a trinity (of sorts) is often used to describe "God" unfortunately who ever compiled the list missed the mark a bit with regard to their descriptions ... but anyway ...

(Basically things/conditions were seen to arise, be sustained for a time and then fall away (or be destroyed) and the following "gods" were personifications of these processes.)   

Brahma      hindu creator god

Vishnu      hindu creator sustaining god

Siva              hindu create and destructive god
 

If I were to try and give somewhat of a Christian bent  ...

God would be the creator

Jesus or the Holy Spirit would be the sustainer

And the Devil would be the destroyer


At any rate the above descriptions (and likewise all of the "Gods You Don’t Believe In" LOL) were all historical attempts to represent or characterize aspects of peoples experience in relation to life and it's many wonders, horrors and bits in-between. 



 
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Reply #6 - Mar 12th, 2014 at 9:04pm
 
0ktema wrote on Mar 12th, 2014 at 8:24pm:
The closest I can find (so far) is something from the Hindu tradition where a trinity (of sorts) is often used to describe "God" unfortunately who ever compiled the list missed the mark a bit with regard to their descriptions ... but anyway ...

(Basically things/conditions were seen to arise, be sustained for a time and then fall away (or be destroyed) and the following "gods" were personifications of these processes.)   

Brahma      hindu creator god

Vishnu      hindu creator sustaining god

Siva              hindu create and destructive god
 

If I were to try and give somewhat of a Christian bent  ...

God would be the creator

Jesus or the Holy Spirit would be the sustainer

And the Devil would be the destroyer


At any rate the above descriptions (and likewise all of the "Gods You Don’t Believe In" LOL) were all historical attempts to represent or characterize aspects of peoples experience in relation to life and it's many wonders, horrors and bits in-between. 

 


Unfortunately - Christians filled the world with their devils & angels,
goblins, witches & of course Satan.

I get fed up with superstitious nonsense.

Have you read Carl Sagan?
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Reply #7 - Mar 12th, 2014 at 9:48pm
 
I've seen his old TV series ... but no, I haven't read much of his writings.

Be that as it may - I'm looking forward to viewing the new follow-up TV series "Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey"

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Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey is an American science documentary television series. It is presented by Neil deGrasse Tyson and is a follow-up to the 1980 television series Cosmos: A Personal Voyage, which was presented by Carl Sagan. The executive producers are Seth MacFarlane and Ann Druyan, Sagan's widow. The series premiered on March 9, 2014, simultaneously in the US across ten 21st Century Fox networks. The remainder of the series will air on Fox, with the National Geographic Channel rebroadcasting the episodes the next day with extra content. The score for Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey was written by Alan Silvestri.


ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmos:_A_Space-Time_Odyssey

ww.imdb.com/title/tt2395695/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1


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With regard to "devils & angels, goblins, witches & of course Satan." I intend to chase up some old information I came across many years ago now - on the history of psychedelics and how their use relates to the very beginnings/origins of religion.   
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Reply #8 - Mar 12th, 2014 at 10:16pm
 
Before I start my psychedelic search ... lol

How about another Mullah Nasruddin story ...


Only two sides of the river


One sunny afternoon Mullah Nasruddin was sitting quietly on a riverbank near Lake Aksehir when someone approached the river from the opposite side. After looking around a bit, the fellow noticed Nasreddin and shouted out, “Hey there! Excuse me — please tell me, how do I get across?”

Without getting up, Nasruddin shouted back, “You are across!”


- Mullah Nasruddin




Meaning: Most times, you’re already right where you need to be, but just don’t recognize it.


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Reply #9 - Mar 12th, 2014 at 10:43pm
 
Another small inspirational piece ... this time from ancient Rome.


I would have you be  ... like a fire well kindled,
which catches at everything you through in, and
turns it into flame and brightness.


- Marcus Aurelius
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Reply #10 - Mar 12th, 2014 at 10:57pm
 
0ktema wrote on Mar 12th, 2014 at 9:48pm:
I've seen his old TV series ... but no, I haven't read much of his writings.

Be that as it may - I'm looking forward to viewing the new follow-up TV series "Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey"

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Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey is an American science documentary television series. It is presented by Neil deGrasse Tyson and is a follow-up to the 1980 television series Cosmos: A Personal Voyage, which was presented by Carl Sagan. The executive producers are Seth MacFarlane and Ann Druyan, Sagan's widow. The series premiered on March 9, 2014, simultaneously in the US across ten 21st Century Fox networks. The remainder of the series will air on Fox, with the National Geographic Channel rebroadcasting the episodes the next day with extra content. The score for Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey was written by Alan Silvestri.


ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmos:_A_Space-Time_Odyssey

ww.imdb.com/title/tt2395695/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1


P.S.
With regard to "devils & angels, goblins, witches & of course Satan." I intend to chase up some old information I came across many years ago now - on the history of psychedelics and how their use relates to the very beginnings/origins of religion.   



Carl Sagan is worth watching in you can always google
a wealth of his sayings in the internet.

As for the bible - I think some of those authors must
have eaten whole bags of magic mushrooms
with the nonsense they wrote.  Grin
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Reply #11 - Mar 12th, 2014 at 11:11pm
 
I didn't find the exact book I was looking for ... however this piece makes for a pretty good start on the psychedelia/religion subject.

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Psychedelia Past, Present and Future


A censored and taboo aspect of human culture that has always existed from since time immemorial to the present day and which may be a forbidden doorway to divine realities.

This section deals with what is certainly one of the most controversial topics in the broad and diverse world of spirituality, religion and mysticism. It concerns the idea that certain plant extracts, fungaloid or cacti preparations and also specific chemical formulations; can induce various and varying states of connection with that which one may or may not want to call God. At the outset, I'll say here that in no way do I wish to recommend, condone or promote the use of these powerful and sometimes harmful substances. It is necessary however to explore the role and nature of psychedelic substances; if we are to fully understand the early history of world religion and also some aspects of the spiritual landscape today.

When we explore the early history of religion and examine the various holy scriptures of different faiths, then we find mentioned mysterious substances with divine connotations, which were either eaten or drunk. So in the Bible we have the enigmatic manna or the food that fell from heaven. In the Bhagavad Gita and the Rig Veda we find described the Soma drink, which allowed people to enter into the divine. And in early Zoroastrianism we find mention of the mysterious Huoma, used by the Magi for their sacred rituals. When we examine the mystery traditions of ancient Greece we discover the Kykeon, the beverage that played a central role in the Eleusian mysteries. And the Greek Oracles of Delphi and the Roman Sybil of Cumae are believed to have achieved their prophetic states of mind through the inhalation of mind altering volcanic hydrocarbon gases emanating from the depths of the earth. Going over to ancient Egypt we correspondingly find the use of the plant, the Blue Lotus of the Nile, by the Egyptian high priests. This Blue Lotus plant may be related to the lotus of the 'Lotus eaters' in the classical Greek myth Odysseus. When mythology is understood as spiritual allegory then this would make perfect sense. If the journey of the mythological hero is a journey of spiritual development and discovery then a visit to the land of the lotus eaters can be understood as a reference to some psychedelic substance. Also it is worth mentioning here that 'Soma' which was mentioned earlier, means 'to press out and extract' in Sanskrit. And there exist ancient Sanskrit texts that describe the Lotus plant as soma. So it is reasonable to deduce that in antiquity, something was pressed out and extracted from lotus plants, which was then prepared as a beverage and ingested. It is very possible that the Lotus eaters and the Soma drinkers were actually partaking of the same psychoactive ingredient. Moving on to the ancient civilization of Babylon we find the myth of Gilgamesh, which is the oldest recorded story known to man. In the tale, the hero Gilgamesh is told to seek out the plant of immortality, another obvious reference to a psychedelic plant.

When we examine all these facts together then a clear picture emerges. It is one where we can see that early religion or proto-religion involved the use of psychedelic substances in order to facilitate communion with the divine. This view is further supported by the use of psychedelic substances in many primitive indigenous religions practiced by native tribes in the world today. Also many scholars believe that Taoism, which is the native spiritual tradition of China, was derived from Siberian Shamanism. Almost without exception, shamanistic practice goes hand in hand with the use of these facilitator substances i.e. psychedelics. So at the dawn of civilization, our primitive ancestors discovered a door into the divine, that seems almost purposefully set up by the Cosmic Intelligence, in order that we may enter it. That is certain plants and fungi acted as gateways to the transcendent. The visions and mystical insights obtained through using these substances certainly found their way into the primitive systems of religious thinking that would later evolve to become the great faith traditions of the World.


ww.iawwai.com/Psychedelia.htm

I have a bit more to share regarding the evolution of religion from it's very early Animistic and Shamanistic beginnings ... but I'm not sure if I have the energy for it right now ... to be continued!   
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Reply #12 - Mar 12th, 2014 at 11:16pm
 
Woo Hoo ! Only 20 more posts before I can start posting live links ...
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Reply #13 - Mar 12th, 2014 at 11:32pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Mar 12th, 2014 at 10:57pm:
Carl Sagan is worth watching in you can always google
a wealth of his sayings in the internet.


Here a few quotes of his ... that perked my interest.
(P.S. I'm also interested in reading more about his friendship with Timothy Leary!)


For small creatures such as we the vastness is bearable only through love.

Carl Sagan
     
Love, Small, Creatures




The brain is like a muscle. When it is in use we feel very good. Understanding is joyous.

Carl Sagan
     
Intelligence, Good, Brain




The universe seems neither benign nor hostile, merely indifferent.

Carl Sagan
     
Universe, Seems, Nor




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Woops ... I shall post something here soon  Smiley
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