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Mar 16th, 2014 at 7:10pm
 

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Maher El Gohary is a broken and defeated man who has grown tired of life on the run. After a four-year battle to have the Egyptian state recognise his Christian faith, he is seriously contemplating reverting to Islam.

“I am seen as an outcast and have lost everything: my family, my home, my dignity and my inheritance,” he laments.


Maher El-Gohary and daughter Dina in hiding during 2010 (Photo: Compass)

For Maher and his daughter Dina, life has become “practically intolerable”. A former Muslim who converted to Christianity 30 years ago, Maher publicly announced their change of faith in 2008 when he filed a lawsuit against the Mubarak government hoping to gain the right to change the religious status on his national identification card from Islam to Christianity. He was only the second citizen to attempt to get the state  to recognise his changed faith.

The change would have allowed Dina to receive a Christian religious education. But public declaration of faith-change from Islam — apostasy — is taboo in conservative Muslim-majority Egypt and Maher and Dina (who was 14 at the time) were forced to go into hiding after receiving death threats from extremists.

To this day, Maher has not won the right to officially convert. He and Dina have faced violence, humiliation and hostility for his effort. In Alexandria on Friday, Maher told Index:


We’ve been spat at, cursed and assaulted on the street many times and have been snubbed by all our relatives, neighbours and friends

In a 2009 hearing of his case, opposing lawyers urged the judge to convict him of apostasy and sentence him to death. They argued that Islam was “the highest ranking religion so followers of the faith could not convert to a lesser or inferior religion”. One lawyer claimed that cases like Maher’s were part of a Zionist conspiracy against Islam, warning that Copts (Egypt’s Christians) who protect and defend converts from Islam were doing so “at their own risk”. Maher got little support from within the Coptic community who fear retaliation. In order to get a baptismal certificate —required for official proof of conversion — Maher had to travel to Cyprus.

When I first met Maher and Dina in Abu Kir (a village on the Mediterranean Coast of Egypt) in 2010, they were living as fugitives. They’d spent the previous two years moving into a different apartment at least once a month to throw extremists and police off their trail. Then their goal was to flee the country to settle in “a more tolerant society” where they would be allowed to practise their religion freely and without fear.

Maher felt he had  no choice but to seek political asylum abroad. It wasn’t an easy decision but he feared for their safety. “A man threw acid at Dina and she miraculously escaped physical harm. We also faced systemic prejudice on a daily basis and spent several days in detention after being arrested in Port Saeed,” Maher recalled.

Maher’s two brothers, who both worked for Egypt’s notorious State Security Service, also made sure he remained unemployed by threatening and intimidating anyone who hired him. In 2009, Maher and Dina attempted to leave Egypt for China, but Egyptian authorities prevented them from travelling. An hour before their scheduled departure, airport security officers confiscated their passports and notified the pair that they were “barred from travelling on orders from a higher authority”.

When Egypt’s January 2011 uprising broke out, Maher and Dina joined the protesters in Tahrir Square, hoping that the revolt would usher in greater freedoms and justice for all Egyptians.


Dina and I had long suffered state persecution for our beliefs. It was only natural that we would be among those revolting against the brutal regime.

Maher’s eyes swelled with tears as he spoke of the hope and promise the revolution had brought. Their hopes have been dashed.



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Reply #1 - Mar 16th, 2014 at 7:11pm
 

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.......Maher’s eyes swelled with tears as he spoke of the hope and promise the revolution had brought. Their hopes have been dashed.

Less than two weeks after Mubarak was toppled, Maher and Dina boarded a Damascus-bound plane and left Egypt. They chose to go to Syria as Egyptians require no visa to enter the country. After spending two-and-a-half years in hiding, they were finally free and wept with joy as the plane took off. “The revolution was nothing short of a miracle,” said Maher, adding, “for us in particular, it was a blessing.”

He and Dina were soon to discover that life as refugees in a foreign land was no easier than their lives as fugitives. With the help of United Nations, after two months in Syria, they were granted political asylum in Sweden. But unable to speak the language and unaccustomed to the cold, Maher and his daughter felt as alienated as they had felt in Egypt — albeit without the fear. They began to feel terribly homesick.

“Orthodox clerics we encountered were neither hospitable nor accommodating,” Maher lamented. “Their antagonism added to our feelings of estrangement.” After failing to adapt to the new environment, Maher and Dina took the bold decision to return to Egypt to face an uncertain fate.

Nearly two years after the revolution, Egypt’s Christians fear things may be worse for them in the “new Egypt” than they were under the Mubarak regime. The Islamists’ rise to power — and a new constitution currently being written by an Islamist-dominated constituent panel — has fuelled Christians’ concerns that their safety may be compromised and their freedom restricted under Islamist rule.

Under Mubarak, Egypt’s constitution ostensibly provided for freedom of belief and the practice of religious rites. But the regime placed heavy restrictions on these rights. Christians (who make up an estimated 12 to 15 per cent of the population) and members of the Bahá’í Faith  (not recognised by the state ) complained of discrimination, especially in government employment. Christians were unable to build or renovate churches without a presidential decree and, according to the 2011 US State Department’s International Report on Religious Freedoms, the government arrested, detained and harassed converts to Christianity, alleging they jeopardised communal harmony.


9 October 2011. A funeral for one of the 27 Coptic protesters killed in the Maspero massacre (Demotix)


Despite promises by Islamist President Mohamed Morsi for a new “inclusive Egypt” where all citizens enjoy equal rights, Egyptian Christians or Copts have suffered a wave of sectarian violence. This has included the torching of churches and a brutal military assault on Coptic protesters at Maspero in October 2011, resulting in the deaths of 27 civilians. This year threats from Islamic extremists that have caused mass evacuations from several Egyptian villages and towns (the latest being the North Sinai border town of Rafah in September). According to a report by the Egyptian Federation of Human Rights, 93,000 Copts fled Egypt fearing for their safety in the six months after March 2011. The new draft constitution does not bode well for religious freedom and minority beliefs.

The ultra-conservative Salafis are calling for the new constitution to make the “rulings of Sharia Law” the foundation of Egypt’s legislative framework. This stricter interpretation of Sharia Law will further alienate Egypt’s minority Christians, who have long suffered marginalisation and exclusion. Furthermore, the new draft only recognises “the three Abrahamic faiths”. Adherents to non-Abrahamic faiths, such as the estimated 2,000 followers of the Bahai’i faith, are not mentioned and therefore may be denied the right to practise or build places of worship. Moreover, anti-blasphemy laws stipulated in articles 38 and 40 of the draft prohibit “the defamation of messengers and prophets”, failing to specifically define what is meant by “defamation”.

This is the Egypt that Maher and Dina have returned to after spending nearly two years as refugees outside their country.

Traumatised and confused by the experiences of the last four years, father and daughter say they are resigning themselves to what may come. They realise that the tide of conservatism sweeping Egypt may result in an even more antagonistic environment for Christians, particularly for converts from Islam. Dina has already reconverted to Islam and Maher has lost his fighting spirit.

“I’m utterly exhausted and drained,” Maher said, his voice choked with emotion. “I have no more energy to fight.”

Shahira Amin is an Egyptian journalist and broadcaster
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http://uncut.indexoncensorship.org/2012/11/egypt-coptic-convert-religious-freedo...
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Reply #2 - Mar 16th, 2014 at 7:13pm
 

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On 9 October, 27 demonstrators protesting attacks against churches were murdered outside Egypt’s state TV building. Yasmine El-Rashidi asks why the media is silencing one side of the story

For anyone who witnessed the violence that unfolded on the evening of 9 October outside the state TV building in Egypt, there is no doubt that something had changed. What was intended to be a peaceful march by the Coptic communityturned into something of a massacre. We watched heavily armoured vehicles trample protesters; we witnessed military police beating young men; thugs wreaking havoc with bludgeons, knives, glass and swords. Molotov cocktails rained down on us, and by the evening’s end, the once pristine street was a site of devastation, blood and broken glass and even flesh on the ground, burned and overturned vehicles still in flames, and empty bullets cartridges lying around.



It was a sight some of us had seen before. At the height of the revolution in February, pro-Mubarak protesters and thugs were unleashed on Tahrir Square, doing much of the same. But that evening, something was different.

On that night, I watched Egyptians turn against each other in what became not a military massacre, as the media is reporting, but rather a sectarian battle. What started as a crackdown by the army as it tried to deter protesters away from the state TV and Radio building, turned into a very clear assault of Muslims against Copts. The Muslims came from various walks of life: there were military men, young, conscripts in the army, who were likely raised on the common belief that “Christians are going to hell”; there were thugs, roughed-up types from alleyways in neighbourhoods nearby who had likely watched state TV announcing that “armed Copts are killing our soldiers” and gone down to rescue them; and there were youth as young as 11 who had heard about the mayhem and came to join for the thrill. These young boys, feverish and their adrenaline high, threw rocks and glass and beat Christians up, as if in a game.This is particularly significant in a country where 60 percent of the population is under the age of 25, where opportunity is low and where frustration is high.

I watched as Muslims butchered Copts. I watched mobs chanting for an Islamic state, vowing to kill any Christian they could lay their hands on, assaulting Copts — men and women — as if they were cattle. “Coptic blood,” one young man boasted as he emerged from a crowd in whose midst two young, until then perhaps hopeful, Copts lay. They were a couple, newly engaged. And I watched the soft-faced Vivian Magdy hold the hand of Michael Mosad, her fiancé, gripping it, refusing to let go. “I won’t leave him,” she sobbed, as she sat beside his body in the morgue. He had been dragged beneath an army APC, his legs almost severed, his organs ruptured. As he lay on the sidewalk, gasping for breath, he was then brutally beaten; by a Muslim who screamed at a sobbing Vivian who was crying for help, calling her an infidel. They too were newly engaged — two months. Michael was twenty-three.

What I witnessed was the reality of a population that readily turned on its own; young boys, mobs, hooligans, the underclass, so willingly emerged from the alleyways and nearby side-streets to attack the Copts. Urged by State TV to go down and defend Egypt’s soldiers, “the protectors of the revolution”, hundreds vehemently did. The real tragedy is that: the readiness of a young underclass so willing to kill.

In the days since that bloody Sunday, as I have shared moments with families mourning their loved ones, observed the military grapple to contain a situation that escalated into something they clearly did not want it to become, and monitored the news unfold, my concern for a situation becomes even greater as I watch the media — in particular the international press — narrate a story that seems to have just one side. Although the military, as the de facto rulers of the country, are to blame for their slipping grip on the nation and their inability to provide citizens the very basics of an environment that is safe, the journalistic campaign for the SCAF to step down raises fundamental questions about the blurring line of journalists who covered the revolution, supported it, and have become more of advocates of it than critical witnesses. Surely I couldn’t have been the only English-speaking writer and journalist there who witnessed the other side of that story?
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http://www.indexoncensorship.org/2011/10/egypts-bloody-sunday/
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Re: islam against freedom
Reply #3 - Mar 18th, 2014 at 9:06am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 7:10pm:
Maher El Gohary is a broken and defeated man who has grown tired of life on the run. After a four-year battle to have the Egyptian state recognise his Christian faith, he is seriously contemplating reverting to Islam.


Sorry, this never happened. See when muslims apostasise they are promptly executed. Yadda will provide you with the quotes. So you see such a scenario as described here is quite impossible.

This is nothing but filthy muslim propaganda by pathetic liberal muzzie-lovers like you sprint. Shame on you.

Pathetic Leftards Just Pathetic!
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #4 - Mar 18th, 2014 at 11:51am
 
BEHEAD ALL THOSE WHO INSULT THE PROPHET.
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Reply #5 - Mar 18th, 2014 at 3:57pm
 
Karnal wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 11:51am:
BEHEAD ALL THOSE WHO INSULT THE PROPHET.


Which prophet?

124000 people where sent as prophets.
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Reply #6 - Mar 18th, 2014 at 4:12pm
 
wally1 wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 3:57pm:
Karnal wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 11:51am:
BEHEAD ALL THOSE WHO INSULT THE PROPHET.


Which prophet?

124000 people where sent as prophets.


Convenient number, Muselman. You'd like to behead them all.

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MALAYSIA and Indonesia have banned the biblical epic Noah, joining other Muslim nations that forbid the Hollywood movie for its visual depiction of the prophet. 
 
Film censors in both countries said Monday that the portrayal of the ark-building prophet by Russell Crowe was against Islamic laws. Depictions of any prophet are shunned in Islam to avoid worship of a person rather than God.

“The film Noah is not allowed to be screened in this country to protect the sensitivity and harmony in Malaysia’s multiracial and multi-religious community,’’ Film Censorship Board chairman Abdul Halim Abdul Hamid said in a statement.

Malay Muslims make up about 60 per cent of Malaysia’s 30 million people, and Christians about 9 per cent.

In the world’s most populous Muslim nation, the head of Indonesia’s censor board Muchlis Paeni said the plot of the film directed by Darren Aronofsky contradicted both the Koran and the Bible.

“We have to reject Noah to be screened here,’’ Mr Paeni said. ``We don’t want a film that could provoke controversies and negative reactions.’’

The Indonesian Council of Ulama, the country’s most influential Islamic body, welcomed the move, saying films that could corrupt religious teachings should be outlawed. Many Indonesians condemned the ban on social media.

“The decision was very regrettable, so sad,’’ filmmaker Joko Anwar said on Twitter, warning it was a backward step for Indonesia.

Much of the Muslim world, including the UAE, Qatar and Bahrain, has already banned the film, which is a box-office hit in the US. Some Christian conservatives also have complained of its inaccurate portrayal of the biblical account of the flood.

Paramount Pictures added a disclaimer to its marketing material, saying “artistic licence has been taken’’ in telling the story.

The Koran mentions only 25 prophets by name, including Noah. Muslims believe that Noah, who is referred to in Arabic as Nuh, built his ark after God charged him to do it as people in his community refused to worship God alone. While there are differences between the biblical and Koranic story of Noah, both mention a terrible flood and Noah’s vessel saving a pair of each species of animal.


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