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Mar 17th, 2014 at 12:37pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 8:54pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 7:24pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:39pm:
Does Islam actually cause them to be pedophiles, or is it the other way round?


Seems you have more incites about that than me. Why don't you regale us all once again with Abu's story of sex offending inmates naturally converting to islam.


Here's proof I didn't learn everything about Islam from Abu:

Malik Shakur wrote on Jun 30th, 2008 at 10:58am:
Many people become Muslim in prison, I agree with that.

Indigenous Australians tend identify with Islam because of the social justice element as their land was stolen from them.

We however really crack down and don't allow people who are extremists or even thought to be extremists to enter the prison system here in Victoria. They have tried but we're quickly kicked out. We work very closely with Corrections Victoria and police on these issues.


And from Abu:

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 1st, 2009 at 8:13pm:
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Re-read the article again, 30% of the Supermax division of Goulburn Gaol, which houses 34 prisoners. So all you've really told us is that about 11 prisoners are Muslims, some of them converts, ie. people who've seen the light and embraced religion whilst serving time. Funny that when they see the light and embrace Christianity, we see it as a step forward, and they're finally turning over a new leaf.


More reasons from Abu on why there are so many Muslims in our jails:

abu_rashid wrote on Jun 29th, 2012 at 11:24pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2012 at 1:05pm:
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Several Muslims have not only been arrested but convicted and given lengthy gaol terms just for such things.


In Australia? Merely for criticising the government's foreign policy? Can you give examples?


Pretty much every single Muslim charged with "terrorism" offences has merely been a critic of the government and its policies. They have not actually been convicted of committing any act whatsoever, they merely thought or expressed ideas. Yet you think you live in a system that has unlimited political freedom. You're a dreamer.

freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2012 at 1:05pm:
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And what great crime exactly did they commit? How many people did they harm? Or perhaps they thought about such a thing right??? But Australia doesn't prosecute for thought crimes, no no no. fd, do you not see the linkage between this point and the previous one?


They did not merely think about committing terrorism. They actually started preparing an attack. None of this has anything to do with what you are allowed to say about the government.


Which of them actually prepared an attack? Some of them were convicted merely for asking what the Islamic ruling is on committing such acts. This was twisted into "seeking a fatwa to carry out the act", and then bang, half their life wasted in prison.... but never mind, we live in a country of unlimited political freedom, back to your little dreamworld fd. Nevermind the reality, keep ignoring it.


abu_rashid wrote on Jun 30th, 2008 at 3:44am:
Either way, it's got nothing to do with rape, rape is a crime which Islam has absolutely no tolerance for, and has legislated should be punished with the most severe punishments. In Australian society, the punishment is generally nothing more than a few years in gaol, unless you're unlucky enough to be of middle eastern descent and get caught up in media sensationalism, in which case you could be looking at about ten times the average sentence... Justice indeed.


Makes me wonder where Abu is these days.


polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:00pm:
whats that FD? No mention of sex offending inmates being the star recruits to islam?

Shurely shome mishtake


freediver wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:30pm:
I did not attribute that bit to Abu. In hindsight, I should have added terrorists to the list. Islam is very popular among Australians in jail on terrorism charges.


polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 10:17pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:30pm:
I did not attribute that bit to Abu.


Ah thats right, you just made that up. My bad.


freediver wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:32am:
Are you suggesting Islam would not be more appealing than other religions to pedophiles, thieves and murderers?


polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:43am:
Its interesting though isn't it? Recently you mentioned you started the anti-muslim campaign because you got sick of all the BS claims muslims make. Its interesting because this rabidly islamophobic statement you made here does not seem to be prompted by anything any muslims here said.
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Reply #1 - Mar 17th, 2014 at 12:41pm
 
By "rabidly Islamophobic" do you mean wrong, or merely politically incorrect? My statements about Muslims being over-represented in our jail population was prompted directly by things that Muslims have posted here. The suggestion that Islam may appeal more than other religions to pedophiles, thieves and murderers is based on the fact that Muhammed himself was a pedophile, thief and murderer. Most religions get all moral about that sort of thing. Muslims on the other hand go to great lengths to excuse and justify it. I can just imagine Malik in a Victorian jail explaining why it was OK for Muhammed to rob caravans, have sex with 9 year old girls, and kill people who mocked him, and the inmates suddenly finding religion a lot more palatable.

Obviously I would not expect Muslims to put it that way.
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Reply #3 - Mar 17th, 2014 at 12:59pm
 
FD, get back to me when you understand what the term "pedophile" actually means.

Also, that OP just makes you look like a raving lunatic. You have basically become the exact caricature that you yourself were railing against in 2007.
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Reply #4 - Mar 17th, 2014 at 1:00pm
 
Growing Faith: Prisons, Hip-Hop and Islam


Islam is described as the fastest growing religion in the U.S. There are various factors that contribute to this phenomenon, including immigrants arriving in recent decades from Muslim countries, including India, Pakistan, and in the Middle East. In addition, many individuals convert to Islam. This is particularly true among African Americans and more recently, Latinos.

Why is conversion so prevalent among these groups? The answer to this question is complicated and involves ideological factors, such as attraction to Islam's message of peace and social justice. Some are attracted by the cultural links among Islam, Africa, and Moorish Spain. Still others embrace the faith as a way of distancing themselves from Christianity. But what facilitates their conversion, practically?

Two important but often overlooked factors are prisons and hip-hop music, which are deeply interconnected. In fact, hip-hop culture's very birth in the U.S. coincided with an incarceration explosion in the 1970s. The harsh impacts of imprisonment would become an ever-present menace to the hip hop generation, which felt the first-hand effects of losing friends and family to the "belly of the beast." Imprisonment would go on to become a multi-billion dollar industry with two million inmates and counting, at roughly the same time hip hop grew into a multi-billion dollar industry of its own.

As African Americans began consuming hip-hop music, prisons began consuming African Americans. This dramatic prison expansion led the U.S. to become home to the largest prison population in the world, with African Americans consisting of nearly half of those imprisoned.

Prisons would also become major centers for Islamic outreach. Today, prison officials, prison chaplains and scholars claim that Islam is the fastest growing religion behind bars. Although there are no reliable statistics, estimates suggest that 35,000-40,000 inmates convert to Islam each year, and nationwide, it is estimated that 15 percent of the U.S. prison population is Muslim, or as much as 350,000 current Muslim inmates.

Islam's growth in prison is matched only by its influence on hip-hop culture. For many young Americans, hip-hop leads to their first encounter with Islam. Although listeners are not always aware of the religious underpinnings, hip-hop music has brought Islamic artists, themes and symbols to the center of American pop culture. Groups identifying with Islam include classical heavyweights like Afrika Bambaataa, Public Enemy and Rakim, and include more modern acts like WuTang Clan, Erykah Badu, Busta Rhymes and Mos Def.

But this just scratches the surface.

Hip-hop's influence among prisoners is noteworthy, and for some who turn to Islam in prison, a foundation for conversion was likely set long before they stepped through the prison gates. For decades, musical motifs involving Islam, both doctrinal and heterodox, have been setting the table and providing a cultural context for conversion.

In hip-hop music, the prison has been and remains a focus of resistance. Early on, the horrors of imprisonment were brought to life by Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five's "The Message," a song that tells of a young man's prison experience that leads to rape, sex slavery and his own suicide-hanging. Later, the cover of Public Enemy's 1988 album, It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back, would make a critical statement by depicting rappers Chuck D. and Flavor Flav behind bars.

Hip-hop lyrics illustrate a deep consciousness of prisons. In some songs, there are shout-outs to incarcerated Muslims and words of encouragement, as in Brother Ali's "Shadows on the Sun": "Tell my man Hasim in prison keep grinnin' because he's innocent, and tell him that the tests we get are heaven-sent." At other times, an entire song or album can revolve around prison themes, as in No More Prisons Volume I and its sequel, Volume II, which each features a roster of Muslim rappers. Sometimes the lyrics take radical tones like DJ Krush & Company Flow's Vision of Art: "Unsheathe the jihad blade and become animalistic, authority walks the plank, that's implicit, the shambles of the gifted, dismantled and imprisoned."

Prisons and hip-hop music contribute to Islam's status as the fastest growing religion in the country. In prison, Islam continues to attract a vibrant following and prisons have made the African-American male convert a staple of African Americana, from Malcolm X to H. Rap Brown to Mike Tyson. Likewise, hip hop music has been fertilizer for the greening of America, comparable to reggae music's role in propagating the Rastafarian faith. Often described as the "official religion" of hip-hop, Islam continues to influence the music, which shows no signs of diminishing anytime soon.
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Reply #5 - Mar 17th, 2014 at 1:07pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 12:59pm:
FD, get back to me when you understand what the term "pedophile" actually means.

Also, that OP just makes you look like a raving lunatic. You have basically become the exact caricature that you yourself were railing against in 2007.


No no, FD has caricature.

He's become a Karmic Khristian. He's been reading Y's posts, you see.

At least someone has.
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Reply #6 - Mar 17th, 2014 at 1:35pm
 
wally1 wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 1:00pm:
Growing Faith: Prisons, Hip-Hop and Islam


See? Proof right there.

If you read the entire article, it goes on to say that islam is popular in US prisons because of Prophet Muhammad's example of robbing, murder and pedophilia.
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Reply #7 - Mar 17th, 2014 at 1:42pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 1:35pm:
wally1 wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 1:00pm:
Growing Faith: Prisons, Hip-Hop and Islam


See? Proof right there.

If you read the entire article, it goes on to say that islam is popular in US prisons because of Prophet Muhammad's example of robbing, murder and pedophilia.


yeah I agree that fakediver doesn't have any legs to stand to give a viable counter attack.

You got to wonder what the pastors do when they visit jails.Seems like no-one is listening to there message.
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Reply #8 - Mar 17th, 2014 at 1:58pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 1:35pm:
wally1 wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 1:00pm:
Growing Faith: Prisons, Hip-Hop and Islam


See? Proof right there.

If you read the entire article, it goes on to say that islam is popular in US prisons because of Prophet Muhammad's example of robbing, murder and pedophilia.


True. It mightn't say that in so many words, but it should.

Put it in the Wiki, FD.
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Reply #9 - Mar 17th, 2014 at 4:36pm
 
wally1 wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 1:00pm:
Growing Faith: Prisons, Hip-Hop and Islam


Islam is described as the fastest growing religion in the U.S.

Why is conversion so prevalent among these groups? The answer to this question is complicated and involves ideological factors, such as attraction to Islam's message of peace and social justice.


Grin Grin Grin

'Social justice'

Thanks for the belly-laugh, Waleed!

They're looking for 'social justice'. These Negroes and Hispanics are in jail precisely because they denied their victims 'social justice'.

It's phoney respectability these criminal converts are hoping to clad themselves in ~~~ and an early parole for 'having seen the Light' as born-again Muslims.

What a racket.


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Reply #10 - Mar 17th, 2014 at 4:51pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 4:36pm:
wally1 wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 1:00pm:
Growing Faith: Prisons, Hip-Hop and Islam


Islam is described as the fastest growing religion in the U.S.

Why is conversion so prevalent among these groups? The answer to this question is complicated and involves ideological factors, such as attraction to Islam's message of peace and social justice.


Grin Grin Grin

'Social justice'

Thanks for the belly-laugh, Waleed!

They're looking for 'social justice'. These Negroes and Hispanics are in jail precisely because they denied their victims 'social justice'.

It's phoney respectability these criminal converts are hoping to clad themselves in ~~~ and an early parole for 'having seen the Light' as born-again Muslims.

What a racket.




I did give my personal reason why inmates may be coverting to islam but saddam Hussein here edited my post.
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Reply #11 - Mar 17th, 2014 at 4:57pm
 
wally1 wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 4:51pm:
I did give my personal reason why inmates may be coverting to islam but saddam Hussein here edited my post.


I deleted a derogatory comment about christianity because its irrelevant.

See if you can make an argument in defense of islam without needlessly bashing christianity.

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Reply #12 - Mar 17th, 2014 at 5:09pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 4:57pm:
wally1 wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 4:51pm:
I did give my personal reason why inmates may be coverting to islam but saddam Hussein here edited my post.


I deleted a derogatory comment about christianity because its irrelevant.

See if you can make an argument in defense of islam without needlessly bashing christianity.



I didn't bash christianity.

I just presented the ideological false hood of Christianity which is leading people away from Christianity, something reverts around the world also agree to aswell.
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Reply #13 - Mar 17th, 2014 at 5:48pm
 
wally1 wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 5:09pm:
I didn't bash christianity.

I just presented the ideological false hood of Christianity


Grin - I didn't bash christianity, I just mocked the belief system that forms the basis of christianity.

Let me put it this way then, "presenting the ideological falsehood of christianity" (aka bashing christianity) as a way of defending muslims, is irrelevant, off-topic, and as such will likely to get deleted on this forum.
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Reply #14 - Mar 17th, 2014 at 5:52pm
 
Anybody that believes in things written in books by people dead for a thousand years really have to get their heads examined.
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