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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Muslims in our jails Reply #15 - Mar 17^th, 2014 at 5:56pm Sparky wrote on Mar 17^th, 2014 at 5:52pm: Anybody that believes in things written in books by people dead for a thousand years really have to get their heads examined. Righto then, we'll just discard our knowledge of the Peloponnesian war because it comes from a historian "dead for (over) a thousand years" then shall we?
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Reply #16 - Mar 17^th, 2014 at 6:12pm

Gandalf, Karnal (and even you wally, if you can get it past the censor), do you have an alternative explanation for why Islam does so well in prisons? Why is it unreasonable to suggest that it may have something to do with the fact that Muhammed legitimised many of the activities that landed these people in jail? He got away with a long career robbing caravans. He had a massive harem, including girls as young as 9. He killed anyone who dissed him in public. He blamed it all on the society around him for mistreating him and he never took responsibility for his own misdeeds. He had a huge following. He was the ultimate gangsta.

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Reply #17 - Mar 17^th, 2014 at 7:08pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 17^th, 2014 at 4:36pm:

wally1 wrote on Mar 17^th, 2014 at 1:00pm:

Growing Faith: Prisons, Hip-Hop and Islam

Islam is described as the fastest growing religion in the U.S.

Why is conversion so prevalent among these groups? The answer to this question is complicated and involves ideological factors, such as attraction to Islam's message of peace and social justice.

'Social justice'

Thanks for the belly-laugh, Waleed!

They're looking for 'social justice'. These Negroes and Hispanics are in jail precisely because they denied their victims 'social justice'.

Victims? Most of them are in jail for posessing a crack pipe - if that.

The US has the highest prison population in the world - with most for drugs.

Victims - that’s a belly laugh in the US justice system. Many states have three strikes sentencing.

That’s three crack pipes and you get life.

Victims - thanks for the chuckle, Herbie.

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Reply #18 - Mar 17^th, 2014 at 7:10pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 17^th, 2014 at 4:57pm:

wally1 wrote on Mar 17^th, 2014 at 4:51pm:

I did give my personal reason why inmates may be coverting to islam but saddam Hussein here edited my post.

I deleted a derogatory comment about christianity because its irrelevant.

See if you can make an argument in defense of islam without needlessly bashing christianity.

You leave much worse beat ups of Islam.

I must admit, Wally’s post was Islamicly dumb.

But not offensive.

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Reply #19 - Mar 17^th, 2014 at 7:13pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 17^th, 2014 at 5:48pm:

wally1 wrote on Mar 17^th, 2014 at 5:09pm:

I didn't bash christianity.

I just presented the ideological false hood of Christianity

- I didn't bash christianity, I just mocked the belief system that forms the basis of christianity.

Let me put it this way then, "presenting the ideological falsehood of christianity" (aka bashing christianity) as a way of defending muslims, is irrelevant, off-topic, and as such will likely to get deleted on this forum.

And so it should. If you’re of the faith, be a grown-up and do the job without beating up other religions.

It’s almost as dumb as FD’s campaign.

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Reply #20 - Mar 17^th, 2014 at 7:16pm

freediver wrote on Mar 17^th, 2014 at 6:12pm:

Gandalf, Karnal (and even you wally, if you can get it past the censor), do you have an alternative explanation for why Islam does so well in prisons? Why is it unreasonable to suggest that it may have something to do with the fact that Muhammed legitimised many of the activities that landed these people in jail? He got away with a long career robbing caravans. He had a massive harem, including girls as young as 9. He killed anyone who dissed him in public. He blamed it all on the society around him for mistreating him and he never took responsibility for his own misdeeds. He had a huge following. He was the ultimate gangsta.

No idea. In Christian countries, Christianity does well in prisons. In Buddhist countries, Buddhism does well. In Muslim countries...

Have a guess, FD.

Have two!

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Reply #21 - Mar 17^th, 2014 at 7:21pm

wally1 wrote on Mar 17^th, 2014 at 5:09pm:

I didn't bash christianity.

You can 'bash' Christianity and any other system of belief, ideology, philosophy, cult, and Dreamtime tradition as much as you like so far as I'm concerned, Wally.

I'm on your side with this.

When prohibitions are placed upon the freedom to express critical analysis of cultural artefacts such as religion ~ then intellectual freedom is being stifled in the service of those who want to exercise political power through religious superstition.

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Muslims in our jails Reply #22 - Mar 17^th, 2014 at 7:25pm Karnal wrote on Mar 17^th, 2014 at 7:13pm: And so it should. If you’re of the faith, be a grown-up and do the job without beating up other religions. It’s almost as dumb as FD’s campaign. You leave Waleed alone. He's doing fine without you. Carry on, Wally. Don't pay any attentions to these bozos.
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Reply #23 - Mar 17^th, 2014 at 7:30pm

Karnal wrote on Mar 17^th, 2014 at 7:16pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 17^th, 2014 at 6:12pm:

Gandalf, Karnal (and even you wally, if you can get it past the censor), do you have an alternative explanation for why Islam does so well in prisons? Why is it unreasonable to suggest that it may have something to do with the fact that Muhammed legitimised many of the activities that landed these people in jail? He got away with a long career robbing caravans. He had a massive harem, including girls as young as 9. He killed anyone who dissed him in public. He blamed it all on the society around him for mistreating him and he never took responsibility for his own misdeeds. He had a huge following. He was the ultimate gangsta.

No idea. In Christian countries, Christianity does well in prisons. In Buddhist countries, Buddhism does well. In Muslim countries...

Have a guess, FD.

Have two!

Islam is not doing well in Australian prisons because we are a Muslim country.

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Reply #24 - Mar 17^th, 2014 at 7:31pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 17^th, 2014 at 7:21pm:

wally1 wrote on Mar 17^th, 2014 at 5:09pm:

I didn't bash christianity.

You can 'bash' Christianity and any other system of belief, ideology, philosophy, cult, and Dreamtime tradition as much as you like so far as I'm concerned, Wally.

I'm on your side with this.

When prohibitions are placed upon the freedom to express critical analysis of cultural artefacts such as religion ~ then intellectual freedom is being stifled in the service of those who want to exercise political power through religious superstition.

Get off your high horse Herb, it wasn't deleted because its offensive, it was deleted because it was off-topic. Other places I have allowed discussion of christian doctrine, but on a thread about muslims in prison, it is entirely irrelevant.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49364 At my desk.	Re: Muslims in our jails Reply #25 - Mar 17^th, 2014 at 7:32pm Gandalf likes to maintain strict control of the topic. I have fallen victim to this also, and cannot make any sense of it. I have no idea why he allowed this thread to stay. Normally he would have nuked it by now. I think I have about a 10% success rate in starting new threads here lately.
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Reply #26 - Mar 17^th, 2014 at 7:36pm

freediver wrote on Mar 17^th, 2014 at 7:30pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 17^th, 2014 at 7:16pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 17^th, 2014 at 6:12pm:

Gandalf, Karnal (and even you wally, if you can get it past the censor), do you have an alternative explanation for why Islam does so well in prisons? Why is it unreasonable to suggest that it may have something to do with the fact that Muhammed legitimised many of the activities that landed these people in jail? He got away with a long career robbing caravans. He had a massive harem, including girls as young as 9. He killed anyone who dissed him in public. He blamed it all on the society around him for mistreating him and he never took responsibility for his own misdeeds. He had a huge following. He was the ultimate gangsta.

No idea. In Christian countries, Christianity does well in prisons. In Buddhist countries, Buddhism does well. In Muslim countries...

Have a guess, FD.

Have two!

Islam is not doing well in Australian prisons because we are a Muslim country.

Is it?

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Reply #27 - Mar 17^th, 2014 at 7:40pm

freediver wrote on Mar 17^th, 2014 at 7:32pm:

Gandalf likes to maintain strict control of the topic. I have fallen victim to this also, and cannot make any sense of it. I have no idea why he allowed this thread to stay. Normally he would have nuked it by now.

I’m.surprised he didn’t.

Wally’s post was about Christianity being nonsense because they worship the son of Gud and have a trinity.

I don’t disagree with him, but it was Islamic intolerance.

And your beloved Moderator culled it.

Happy now?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49364 At my desk.	Re: Muslims in our jails Reply #28 - Mar 17^th, 2014 at 7:41pm I'm always happy.
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Reply #29 - Mar 17^th, 2014 at 7:47pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 17^th, 2014 at 7:31pm:

Get off your high horse Herb, it wasn't deleted because its offensive, it was deleted because it was off-topic.

It was a strategic removal so you could claim a precedent if someone should later criticise Islam.

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 17^th, 2014 at 7:31pm:

Other places I have allowed discussion of christian doctrine, but on a thread about muslims in prison, it is entirely irrelevant.

Wrong.

In explaining a position it's often necessary to draw comparisons with other creeds and ideologies in order to give perspective.

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