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Sinodinos Under Scrutiny (Read 5945 times)
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Reply #45 - Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:36am
 
Grendel wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:29am:
The Obeid family stinks right up to the head...
nothing there casts any criminality on Sinodinos.
Did he take a pay cut to enter parliament?


Dunno mate, I read the link and this kinda stood out as a point of some concern;

"Current and former AWH directors including Senator Sinodinos, Mr Di Girolamo and former NSW Labor treasurer Michael Costa are being sued for deceptive conduct."

That was stated quite clearly in the story. Now there is no final finding, but, based on historical responses to our politicians facing enquiry, something stinks.

As I maintain, no point really talking about this until final findings. Admittedly, final findings are not always accurate, humans being flawed and all that. However, to carry on too much about this whilst enquiry is still underway is basically an ill informed discussion...
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Reply #46 - Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:11am
 
Phemanderac wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:36am:
Grendel wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:29am:
The Obeid family stinks right up to the head...
nothing there casts any criminality on Sinodinos.
Did he take a pay cut to enter parliament?


Dunno mate, I read the link and this kinda stood out as a point of some concern;

"Current and former AWH directors including Senator Sinodinos, Mr Di Girolamo and former NSW Labor treasurer Michael Costa are being sued for deceptive conduct."
Doesn't mean 1 or any number of them are guilty of any such thing though does it


That was stated quite clearly in the story. Now there is no final finding, but, based on historical responses to our politicians facing enquiry, something stinks.

As I maintain, no point really talking about this until final findings.
yet here you are...  and I'm the only one that has been constantly saying that so far no one has posted facts or proof of any criminality, just labor tactic propaganda.
Admittedly, final findings are not always accurate, humans being flawed and all that. However, to carry on too much about this whilst enquiry is still underway is basically an ill informed discussion...
yet Bam and others here who should know better criticise Sinidonis and Abbott for not commenting whilst the enquiry is ongoing.


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Reply #47 - Mar 21st, 2014 at 10:03am
 
Grendel wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:11am:
Phemanderac wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:36am:
Admittedly, final findings are not always accurate, humans being flawed and all that. However, to carry on too much about this whilst enquiry is still underway is basically an ill informed discussion...
yet Bam and others here who should know better criticise Sinidonis and Abbott for not commenting whilst the enquiry is ongoing.

Did I criticise? No. I simply stated a fact that he wasn't saying much.

If it's wrong to point out the simple fact that he wasn't offering comments, what then of every conservative commentator who had Thomson tried, convicted and jailed even before any charges were laid? The double standards by conservatives on this forum are unbelievable. Sure, Thomson did eventually get tried and convicted, but everyone is entitled to the presumption of innocence, even politicians. I have already reminded everyone of this regarding Sinodinos more than once. You will be very hard pressed to find a single comment by a conservative commentator who said the same of Thomson.

So far, the facts are - Sinodinos has been called to give evidence. He has not been charged with anything. He has resigned his portfolio. He is offering no further comment on the matter for the time being.

In short, clear facts are a little in short supply at the moment. We should wait as events unfold to see what else comes to light.
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Reply #48 - Mar 21st, 2014 at 1:04pm
 
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/state-politics/arthur-sinodinos...

Arthur Sinodinos ‘warned about AWH’

MARK COULTAN and LEO SHANAHAN The Australian March 21, 2014 12:00AM

ARTHUR Sinodinos was warned that the cashflow and costs of Australian Water Holdings were out of control months before he took the chairmanship at the privately owned firm.

Rod De Aboitiz, whose family invested in the business, told the NSW Independent Commission Against Corruption yesterday he met Senator Sinodinos, who was then out of politics and an AWH director, in May 2010 to warn him about the financial position of the company and voice his concerns about its solvency.

At the time the company was in financial trouble, with no revenue but its 10 employees were paid huge salaries and living extravagant lifestyles including expensive meals, such as $900 dinners at Sydney’s upmarket Rockpool restaurant, and trips.

Mr De Aboitiz, who is a former chief financial officer of investment bank Rothschild, invested $1 million of his family’s trust in AWH through his relationship with the company’s chief executive Nick Di Girolamo, who was an old school friend.

But after seeing an extract of the company’s accounts, he realised that its costs were out of control and became concerned about his investment.

He went to see Senator Sinodinos at his then National Australia Bank offices. “I wanted to make sure that there was no doubt, at the executive level of the board and the non-executive level of the board, there was a clear understanding that they needed to get their affairs in order,” he told the commission.

He said he told Senator Sinodinos: “Arthur, you know that solvency’s a big issue for a director. You’re a director. You’re an experienced person. This is silly. I understand Sydney Water may be playing hard ball with you with respect but surely, surely you are in control of your own cashflow.”

“He assured me the board was on top of it and it was taken care of,” Mr de Aboitiz said.
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Reply #49 - Mar 21st, 2014 at 1:08pm
 
Sinodinos is a crocked as a bent stick.
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Reply #50 - Mar 21st, 2014 at 4:29pm
 
Bam wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 11:51am:
McDonald and Obeid were rightly prosecuted for corrupt practices to enrich themselves.

Looks like Sinodinos may soon join them. Allegations about him have been floating around for some time.

I do not tolerate corruption from our political representatives no matter what party they represent. All corrupt politicians should be investigated, tried, jailed and stripped of all profits made.

Well no they haven't that is a lie.
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Reply #51 - Mar 21st, 2014 at 4:30pm
 
Bam wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 4:49pm:
aquascoot wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 3:31pm:
Nooooo. not guilty, had already surrendered these options voluntarily.

Shouldn't you wait for the investigation and other due process of law to run its course before passing judgement?

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apologies please

It is far too soon to be demanding that.

Yet previously YOU inferred what?
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Reply #52 - Mar 21st, 2014 at 4:35pm
 
Bam wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 10:59pm:
miketrees wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 10:37pm:
Sidodinos has stood down, thats the right thing to do. ( he should not even be in parliament)

If he turns out to be on the take I will be happy to commence a public stoning.

Forget the politics of this, it should be good people vs bad people.
The whole labor movement should have got Thomson to stand down as well.

I'm sure they would have, if the numbers in the last Parliament had permitted some breathing space.

The funny thing is, the Victorian government is suffering as badly as Gillard, and for the same reasons.

One-seat majority. [x]
Government member found to be rorting entitlements for personal gain. [x]
That member resigns from the party to sit as an independent. [x]
Member holds a marginal seat. [x]
Government is behind in the polls. [x]
Government changes leaders mid term. [x]

Funny how history repeats.

Like Thomson, Sinodinos will be investigated. He has clammed up, making "no further comment", and the Prime Minister is also reticent. Sinodinos has an uncertain future. He may be OK, but he may also end up facing charges. Even if he does end up being charged, he is entitled to the presumption of innocence.

"Clammed up" and "reticent" are they?  Your inference is negative yet you deny it...  no mention of matters before ICAC and proper behaviour, oh no they are clamming up and reticent.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #53 - Mar 21st, 2014 at 4:36pm
 
Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 1:08pm:
Sinodinos is a crocked as a bent stick.

Yet you have no proof, only libel.
Join the Monkey boy parade.
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Reply #54 - Mar 21st, 2014 at 4:36pm
 
Grendel wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 4:29pm:
Bam wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 11:51am:
McDonald and Obeid were rightly prosecuted for corrupt practices to enrich themselves.

Looks like Sinodinos may soon join them. Allegations about him have been floating around for some time.

I do not tolerate corruption from our political representatives no matter what party they represent. All corrupt politicians should be investigated, tried, jailed and stripped of all profits made.

Well no they haven't that is a lie.

Well, yeah they have, since Obeid went before ICAC at least.
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Reply #55 - Mar 21st, 2014 at 4:59pm
 
St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 4:36pm:
Grendel wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 4:29pm:
Bam wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 11:51am:
McDonald and Obeid were rightly prosecuted for corrupt practices to enrich themselves.

Looks like Sinodinos may soon join them. Allegations about him have been floating around for some time.

I do not tolerate corruption from our political representatives no matter what party they represent. All corrupt politicians should be investigated, tried, jailed and stripped of all profits made.

Well no they haven't that is a lie.

Well, yeah they have, since Obeid went before ICAC at least.

Uh huh...  Obeid and his criminality and corruption has been floating around for some time...  at least a decade...  not a couple of weeks monkey boy...  stop drinking and your ability to judge time will improve brew meister.
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Reply #56 - Mar 21st, 2014 at 5:05pm
 
Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 1:08pm:
Sinodinos is a crocked as a bent stick.



I trust you have proof of what you claim...
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Reply #57 - Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:13pm
 
Grendel wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 4:59pm:
St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 4:36pm:
Grendel wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 4:29pm:
Bam wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 11:51am:
McDonald and Obeid were rightly prosecuted for corrupt practices to enrich themselves.

Looks like Sinodinos may soon join them. Allegations about him have been floating around for some time.

I do not tolerate corruption from our political representatives no matter what party they represent. All corrupt politicians should be investigated, tried, jailed and stripped of all profits made.

Well no they haven't that is a lie.

Well, yeah they have, since Obeid went before ICAC at least.

Uh huh...  Obeid and his criminality and corruption has been floating around for some time...  at least a decade...  not a couple of weeks monkey boy...  stop drinking and your ability to judge time will improve brew meister.


Open the other eye, troll. I was talking about Arfur not Obeid.
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Reply #58 - Mar 22nd, 2014 at 3:16pm
 
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Arthur Sinodinos told about donations to Liberal Party, says AWH investor http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/arthur-sinodinos-told-abou... … via @smh
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Reply #59 - Mar 23rd, 2014 at 11:22pm
 
Couple other links:

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Opposition frontbencher Penny Wong says it will be “extraordinarily difficult” for the Government to put together the May budget without an assistant treasurer.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-23/may-budget-extremely-difficult-without-sinodinos-says-wong/5339364


Heard a bit of this while driving this morning—Asst Treasurer eplays a pretty key role getting data from Departments etc—Expenditure Committee. Arfur the most experienced at this.

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But Watson [counsel assisting ICAC on the AWH matter] did not “clear” Sinodinos, now a Senator and Assistant Treasurer in the Abbott Federal Government.

“It’s presently difficult to offer observations on the conduct of Mr Sinodinos. He has other involvements which will come under scrutiny in Operation Spicer,” Watson said.

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As previously reported, ICAC hearings are inquisitorial proceedings held in public after preliminary and extensive in camera inquiry. It is likely Sinodinos has already been asked in to assist and has answered questions under oath.

He will have to endure a painful wait to see exactly what the ICAC, which has coercive powers, has on him. There was an audible sucking in of breath when Watson remarked that it’s “difficult to offer observations on the conduct of Mr Sinodinos”.

Although Watson has a headline-grabbing descriptive ability it would be an act of cruelty and irresponsibility to use these words without full consideration of their impact.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-19/dempster-the-icacs-destruction-hits-both-s...


Arfur is not coming back. This years Budget is going to be a mess. Wonder if the Simian is regretting sacking Martin Parkinson? A boneheaded action!
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