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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85075 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Sinodinos Under Scrutiny Reply #75 - Mar 24^th, 2014 at 4:14pm philperth2010 wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 2:28pm: Bam wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 10:36am: Has Sinodinos actually been charged with anything? We shouldn't be framing the discussion as if he has been. Julia Gillard???
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Re: Sinodinos Under Scrutiny
Reply #76 - Mar 24^th, 2014 at 4:20pm

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 2:28pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 10:36am:

Has Sinodinos actually been charged with anything? We shouldn't be framing the discussion as if he has been.

Julia Gillard???

Huh

was sinodinos asked questions in parliament but claimed he had already answered those questions?? Roll Eyes

like it or not phil.. gillard was the PM...she had every right to answer any question....

for all we know. this might go back a way with Arthur...

if its corrupt I dont care who they are... expose them charge them and penalise them,

thomo was given more than 12 months of full support before he finally took the hint..and he was being investigated on more than one level..

as far as I know Arthur isnt being investigated...YET.

in which case nothing to compare as far as I am concerned.

if they start an investigation then he should be suspended..

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Re: Sinodinos Under Scrutiny
Reply #78 - Mar 24^th, 2014 at 4:41pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 4:14pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 2:28pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 10:36am:

Has Sinodinos actually been charged with anything? We shouldn't be framing the discussion as if he has been.

Julia Gillard???

Huh

Sinodinos has been called as a witness.
Gillard is under investigation.

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Reply #79 - Mar 24^th, 2014 at 4:49pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 4:41pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 4:14pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 2:28pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 10:36am:

Has Sinodinos actually been charged with anything? We shouldn't be framing the discussion as if he has been.

Julia Gillard???

Huh

Sinodinos has been called as a witness.
Gillard is under investigation.

Sinodinos was director of a company that was earning no income while paying out large salaries. Why didn't he wind up the company or call in administrators?

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Reply #80 - Mar 24^th, 2014 at 4:49pm

cods wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 10:30am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 9:45am:

Grendel wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 4:36pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 1:08pm:

Sinodinos is a crocked as a bent stick.

Yet you have no proof, only libel.
Join the Monkey boy parade.

The allegations against Sinodinos are far more serious than those against Thomson.

Thomson blew union funds on hookers. Its damage was only limited to the union members who had to pay the bill.

Sinodinos's case is corruption at is core, and effects every tax payer.

The sums of money in Sinodinos' case are orders of magnitude larger as well.

what ALLEGATION would they be?

1. His company paid donations to the NSW Liberal Party, of which Sinodinos was state boss.

2. His employment contract was to award him 20 million big ones if he won the water tender from the NSW government.

3. He was employed solely to use his Liberal Party connections to get a water contract, and screw the taxpayer over in the process.

All of this is, most likely, legal. If he had succeeded in getting the contract, however, it may well be illegal.

What it is, at its best, is unethical. State contracts should be given out to the best company. This company did not even have employees. It was set up solely to milk taxpayers’ money, get water contracts, pay others to do the work, and give everyone a nice drink in the process.

It was a rort with the Obeid family at its centre. When NSW Labor lost the last election, Obeid merely employed Libs to do the job of milking the taxpayer teat.

All Sinodinos needs to do is plead ignorance. He’ll be back in the ministry in no time.

Thank heavens the grown-ups are back in charge.

But aren’t they always?

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Re: Sinodinos Under Scrutiny
Reply #81 - Mar 24^th, 2014 at 4:51pm

Bam wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 4:49pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 4:41pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 4:14pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 2:28pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 10:36am:

Has Sinodinos actually been charged with anything? We shouldn't be framing the discussion as if he has been.

Julia Gillard???

Huh

Sinodinos has been called as a witness.
Gillard is under investigation.

Sinodinos was director of a company that was earning no income while paying out large salaries. Why didn't he wind up the company or call in administrators?

Sinodinos has been called as a witness.
Gillard is under investigation.

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Reply #82 - Mar 24^th, 2014 at 5:36pm

Let us return to another issue - the selling off of Australia and of infrastructure such as water.

Our Arfur, as a good buddy of the past PM etc - should have recused himself from any appointment as CEO of a sold off utility such as water provision, instead of looking forward - for a bare minimum of work - to a healthy handout of $20 million.

How many times must we view the spectacle of a government buddy or family member being the recipient of the massive largesse that just happens to fall out of the sky when the government sells of OUR resources, infrastructure, and so forth?

Just a business opportunity that just happened to drop out of the sky, eh?

Sure it was - and no insider trading etc.

On that basis alone all those who have benefited in this way should be sent to prison.

Come on, Tony - ante up! Let's treat white collar crime by your mates the same as you are muttering darkly about treating alleged Union 'crime' such as holding an opposing view over negotiation of a contract.

You can all visit each other in prison!

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Re: Sinodinos Under Scrutiny
Reply #83 - Mar 24^th, 2014 at 6:00pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 4:51pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 4:49pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 4:41pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 4:14pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 2:28pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 10:36am:

Has Sinodinos actually been charged with anything? We shouldn't be framing the discussion as if he has been.

Julia Gillard???

Huh

Sinodinos has been called as a witness.
Gillard is under investigation.

Sinodinos was director of a company that was earning no income while paying out large salaries. Why didn't he wind up the company or call in administrators?

Sinodinos has been called as a witness.

Given the dubious activities of AWH, it would be surprising if he wasn't subject to more scrutiny at some point.

Unless he tries the Colonel Schultz defence ... I know nossink!

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Gillard is under investigation.

First the Liberals call her a witch, now they're indulging in a witch hunt. Poor taste, Liberals, very poor.

If Labor was playing by the same playbook as the Liberals, they would be starting a Royal Commission into AWH as soon as they get back into power (it can even be sold as Labor cleaning up its own mess), and another one into Sovereign Borders (shine a spotlight of scrutiny into the dark corners of Coalition secrecy).

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Re: Sinodinos Under Scrutiny
Reply #84 - Mar 24^th, 2014 at 6:08pm

Bam wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 4:49pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 4:41pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 4:14pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 2:28pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 10:36am:

Has Sinodinos actually been charged with anything? We shouldn't be framing the discussion as if he has been.

Julia Gillard???

Huh

Sinodinos has been called as a witness.
Gillard is under investigation.

Sinodinos was director of a company that was earning no income while paying out large salaries. Why didn't he wind up the company or call in administrators?

well if that was the yardstick the NBN would have been shut down years ago Grin

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Reply #85 - Mar 24^th, 2014 at 6:11pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 4:41pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 4:14pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 2:28pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 10:36am:

Has Sinodinos actually been charged with anything? We shouldn't be framing the discussion as if he has been.

Julia Gillard???

Huh

Sinodinos has been called as a witness.
Gillard is under investigation.

The response was to charges not allegations......What charges have been laid against Julia Gillard whom at this stage is still a witness.....By the way ICAC is an investigation into corruption is it not....Your double standards are showing again???

Huh

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Reply #86 - Mar 24^th, 2014 at 6:18pm

Bam wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 6:00pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 4:51pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 4:49pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 4:41pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 4:14pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 2:28pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 10:36am:

Has Sinodinos actually been charged with anything? We shouldn't be framing the discussion as if he has been.

Julia Gillard???

Huh

Sinodinos has been called as a witness.
Gillard is under investigation.

Sinodinos was director of a company that was earning no income while paying out large salaries. Why didn't he wind up the company or call in administrators?

Sinodinos has been called as a witness.

Given the dubious activities of AWH, it would be surprising if he wasn't subject to more scrutiny at some point.

Unless he tries the Colonel Schultz defence ... I know nossink!

Quote:

Gillard is under investigation.

First the Liberals call her a witch, now they're indulging in a witch hunt. Poor taste, Liberals, very poor.

If Labor was playing by the same playbook as the Liberals, they would be starting a Royal Commission into AWH as soon as they get back into power (it can even be sold as Labor cleaning up its own mess), and another one into Sovereign Borders (shine a spotlight of scrutiny into the dark corners of Coalition secrecy).

I suggest you look at last Sunday's Insiders... before they measure you for a tin-hat.

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Reply #87 - Mar 24^th, 2014 at 6:23pm

cods wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 4:20pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 2:28pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 10:36am:

Has Sinodinos actually been charged with anything? We shouldn't be framing the discussion as if he has been.

Julia Gillard???

Huh

was sinodinos asked questions in parliament but claimed he had already answered those questions?? Roll Eyes

like it or not phil.. gillard was the PM...she had every right to answer any question....

for all we know. this might go back a way with Arthur...

if its corrupt I dont care who they are... expose them charge them and penalise them,

thomo was given more than 12 months of full support before he finally took the hint..and he was being investigated on more than one level..

as far as I know Arthur isnt being investigated...YET.

in which case nothing to compare as far as I am concerned.

if they start an investigation then he should be suspended..

Poor Arthur is being called to appear at ICAC to answer questions over his conduct which the conga line tell us is all innocent and poor Arthur is only a witness.....Yet Julia Gillard who did answer every question thrown at her both in Parliament and a press conference is not given the same presumption of innocence by people like you.....You have nothing to be proud of with your double standards and political bias!!!

By the way I have never claimed Arthur is guilty of anything!!!

Smiley

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Re: Sinodinos Under Scrutiny
Reply #88 - Mar 24^th, 2014 at 6:26pm

Karnal wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 4:49pm:

cods wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 10:30am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 9:45am:

Grendel wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 4:36pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 1:08pm:

Sinodinos is a crocked as a bent stick.

Yet you have no proof, only libel.
Join the Monkey boy parade.

The allegations against Sinodinos are far more serious than those against Thomson.

Thomson blew union funds on hookers. Its damage was only limited to the union members who had to pay the bill.

Sinodinos's case is corruption at is core, and effects every tax payer.

The sums of money in Sinodinos' case are orders of magnitude larger as well.

what ALLEGATION would they be?

1. His company paid donations to the NSW Liberal Party, of which Sinodinos was state boss.

2. His employment contract was to award him 20 million big ones if he won the water tender from the NSW government.

3. He was employed solely to use his Liberal Party connections to get a water contract, and screw the taxpayer over in the process.

All of this is, most likely, legal. If he had succeeded in getting the contract, however, it may well be illegal.

What it is, at its best, is unethical. State contracts should be given out to the best company. This company did not even have employees. It was set up solely to milk taxpayers’ money, get water contracts, pay others to do the work, and give everyone a nice drink in the process.

It was a rort with the Obeid family at its centre. When NSW Labor lost the last election, Obeid merely employed Libs to do the job of milking the taxpayer teat.

All Sinodinos needs to do is plead ignorance. He’ll be back in the ministry in no time.

Thank heavens the grown-ups are back in charge.

But aren’t they always?

where did you read about those allegations karnal??.

dont tell me the newspapers???.. Shocked

you see not a soul from the left believed any of the reports in the newspapers even when THOMO took one the SMH to court..and then called it off...claiming he had done nothing wrong....

so we cannot believe whats written in the newspapers can we???

unless you have seen documents that the rest of us havent of course..

just saying.

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Re: Sinodinos Under Scrutiny
Reply #89 - Mar 24^th, 2014 at 6:40pm

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 6:23pm:

cods wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 4:20pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 2:28pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 10:36am:

Has Sinodinos actually been charged with anything? We shouldn't be framing the discussion as if he has been.

Julia Gillard???

Huh

was sinodinos asked questions in parliament but claimed he had already answered those questions?? Roll Eyes

like it or not phil.. gillard was the PM...she had every right to answer any question....

for all we know. this might go back a way with Arthur...

if its corrupt I dont care who they are... expose them charge them and penalise them,

thomo was given more than 12 months of full support before he finally took the hint..and he was being investigated on more than one level..

as far as I know Arthur isnt being investigated...YET.

in which case nothing to compare as far as I am concerned.

if they start an investigation then he should be suspended..

Poor Arthur is being called to appear at ICAC to answer questions over his conduct which the conga line tell us is all innocent and poor Arthur is only a witness.....

I DONT THINK SO... JUST POINTING OUT HE HASNT BEEN CHARGED THATS ALL.. HAVENT SEEN A SOUL CLAIM HE IS INNOCENT.

Yet Julia Gillard who did answer every question thrown at her both in Parliament and a

NO SHE DIDNT SHE AVOIDED ANSWERING THEM BECAUSE SHE CLAIMED SHE ALREADY HAD DONE SO AT A DOOR STOP.

press conference is not given the same presumption of innocence by people like you.....You have nothing to be proud of with your double standards and political bias!!!

YOU MEAN THERE ARE SOME ON HERE WITH NO POLITICAL BIAS????????

By the way I have never claimed Arthur is guilty of anything!!!

I NEVER SAID YOU DID..
Smiley

MY BIAS HAS ALREADY SAID.. IF HE IS CHARGED HE SHOULD BE SUSPENDED..THOMO WAS GIVEN OVER 12 MONTHS GRACE AFTER HE WAS FIRST INVESTIGATED FOR STEALING..

I DO NOT BELIEVE IN THAT THEY SHOULD GO UNTIL ITS BEEN THROUGH THE COURTS...

AND I DARE YOU TO CLAIM OTHERWISE..

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