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Re: SA Gerrymander must end
Reply #15 - Mar 21^st, 2014 at 8:03am

cods wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 7:56am:

do lefties still believe we would be better off without the GST??..

I cant believe it,... Grin

imagine what wholesale tax would be by now. Roll Eyes

...and the GST hasnt changed in 10 years..

The GST goes up every time prices goes up.

The rate of the GST hasn't change but the money that comes in has gone up.

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Re: SA Gerrymander must end
Reply #16 - Mar 21^st, 2014 at 8:07am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 7:38am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Mar 20^th, 2014 at 7:57pm:

•In the 1998 federal election John Howard of the Liberal Party ran against the Labor Party’s Kim Beazley.

Loser Kim Beazley
received

5,630,409

votes while the winner
John Howard
, owing to the gerrymander effect, lead his party to victory and government with the grand total of

5,413,431

This was also election Howard claimed his "mandate" - or "referendum" - on his

GST

Even though MORE people voted AGAINST it - than FOR it

WHERE was the "outrage" THEN ?

( ... and bear in mind, this was a "fork in the road" FEDERAL ELECTION - and "referendum" if you like - on ANOTHER new way to tax us all
As opposed to who will lead the"state of insignificance")

and like every other hypocritical leftie you consider that any time 'you' were denied power by a SLIGHT 2PP discrepancy that makes every other event - even a massive gerrymander - okay.

... and right back AT ya, sweetheart
You brought it UP
Not ME

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Re: SA Gerrymander must end
Reply #17 - Mar 21^st, 2014 at 8:07am

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 7:55am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 7:41am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 20^th, 2014 at 9:08pm:

Love the rightarded outrage tho.

Govts don’t draw the seat boundaries, the AEC do, unlike in Joh’s day. Govt on 19% of the vote?

as a resident of SA do you find it comforting that the wishes of the majority can be so easily and so consistently ignored? I know you vote labor, but imagine if you will that the Libs manage to slip over the line and then institute an electoral 'reform' that requires labor to get 54% of the 2PP to form govt. Okay by you? Because this would ensure that no ALP govt will ever rule in SA again. After all, they've never reached that level previously!

So, you ignore the fact the govt doesn’t draw the boundaries. Typical of you.

Maybe the ALP is the better campaigner?

at 8% lower primary and 6% lower 2PP that is total bunkum that scarcely needs explanation

Single member electorates will from time to time throw up such results—if you really want reform you need to outline what reforms you would like to see—proportional voting, treating the state as one electorate will give results closer to the votes cast but leads, IMHO, to unstable govt by ramshackle coalitions and loses the representation that should not be lightly thrown out.

from time to time??? Labor has won the 2PP ONCE in 29 years yet been in govt 80& of the time. it happens ALL the time.

Or we can adopt the Tassie model, or parts of it, and have multimember electorates so some element of direct representation is preserved.

All I hear in this thread tho is Libs whining “we wuz robbed.” You pitiful babies! Some of my first political activities involved campaigning against the unrepresentative nature of the Legislative council in SA, where large parts of the electorate were disenfranchised! You want change then by crikey put up some positive proposals AND STOP WHINING!

perhaps what we want to do is hear the likes of YOU saying the Libs were robbed. No matter your biases and preferences, don't you feel there is something intrinsically wrong that a landslide vote FOR the Libs and AGAINST labor hasn't resulted in a liberal govt.

What is most important to you - having a labor govt or having democratic right to choose?

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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: SA Gerrymander must end Reply #18 - Mar 21^st, 2014 at 8:15am What you have here is the result of single member electorates and canny campaigning, fire–walling of strategic seats. Suggest the AEC redraw the boundaries or suggest alternative ways of electing governments. In the meantime, princess, HTFU!
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Re: SA Gerrymander must end
Reply #19 - Mar 21^st, 2014 at 8:36am

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 8:15am:

What you have here is the result of single member electorates and canny campaigning, fire–walling of strategic seats.

Suggest the AEC redraw the boundaries or suggest alternative ways of electing governments. In the meantime, princess, HTFU!

that could explain ONCE as in howard 98 or Hawke 90. but it happens EVERY time. but only in state elections. Federal seats have a completely different outcome.

But I did ask you a loaded question which you didn't answer. Do you want a labor govt or a democratically elected one?

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Re: SA Gerrymander must end
Reply #20 - Mar 21^st, 2014 at 8:39am

What you have here is a result of single member electorates and canny campaigning. I also pointed out real gerrymanders that have taken place, people disenfranchised.

I have suggested methods that fix that.

HTFU.

OH—one other suggestion. Tell your idiot party that attacking independents is not a good way to go because at some stage you might need them.

In the federal sphere the Rudd govt had treated Windsor and Oakeshott with respect from day one. Guess which party these two fine Independents supported?

In SA the position is the same. Brock and Such will support Labor because unlike the Libs Labor never denigrated or attacked them. So eat your lemon and reflect why you are doing so.

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Re: SA Gerrymander must end
Reply #21 - Mar 21^st, 2014 at 8:43am

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 8:39am:

What you have here is a result of single member electorates and canny campaigning.

I have suggested methods that fix that.

HTFU.

you cannot claim 'canny campaigning' for 29 years. after a while that argument evaporates.

But I not you havent answered the question. It is a matter of principle.

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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: SA Gerrymander must end Reply #22 - Mar 21^st, 2014 at 8:45am Single member electorates will throw up such results. The present govt has been in power for 12 years, not 29. Rann formed govt initially with the support of two indies.
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Re: SA Gerrymander must end
Reply #23 - Mar 21^st, 2014 at 9:12am

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 8:45am:

Single member electorates will throw up such results. The present govt has been in power for 12 years, not 29. Rann formed govt initially with the support of two indies.

during which time he had a 2PP majority ONCE. and in the 17 years prior to that... NEVER.

keep to the point.

and try answering the question although I suspect you have. Based on your posts I believe you would support a labor govt no matter how it is put into power and probably support the end of elections as long as labor stayed in. correct?

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Re: SA Gerrymander must end
Reply #24 - Mar 21^st, 2014 at 9:17am

cods wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 7:56am:

do lefties still believe we would be better off without the GST??..

I cant believe it,... Grin

imagine what wholesale tax would be by now. Roll Eyes

...and the GST hasnt changed in 10 years..

A 10% consumption tax depresses consumption by 10%. Those on lowest incomes got no compensation from little Johnny, all that went to those on huge incomes. So now when the GFC has depressed the economy the GST is making it 10% worse.

Then the simian wants his stupid PPL implemented, another HUGE hit to low income earners and those relying at least partly on investments after retirement will also find a hit to their income as well as a signifcant rise in cost of living.

Why can’t any of you loony toons rightarded THINK?

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Re: SA Gerrymander must end
Reply #25 - Mar 21^st, 2014 at 9:39am

cods wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 7:54am:

skippy. wrote on Mar 20^th, 2014 at 8:45pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 20^th, 2014 at 8:42pm:

No more SA wine or Coopers beer for skippy

Actually I'm enjoying a Coopers right now, my favourite beer by far. I forgot that came out of SA, oh well maybe it's good for something. Grin

do they brew is in a BARREL?... Tongue

Just stick to the goonies ,dear, a barrel of Coopers would be out of reach on your income.

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buzzanddidj Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14211 Eganstown, via Daylesford, VIC Gender:	Re: SA Gerrymander must end Reply #26 - Mar 21^st, 2014 at 9:56am longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 8:36am: Do you want a labor govt or a democratically elected one? South Australia has been blessed with BOTH - under our Westminster System Perhaps - JUST in this (SA) instance - you would like to see THAT changed ?
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Re: SA Gerrymander must end
Reply #27 - Mar 21^st, 2014 at 10:08am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 7:38am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Mar 20^th, 2014 at 7:57pm:

•In the 1998 federal election John Howard of the Liberal Party ran against the Labor Party’s Kim Beazley.

Loser Kim Beazley
received

5,630,409

votes while the winner
John Howard
, owing to the gerrymander effect, lead his party to victory and government with the grand total of

5,413,431

This was also election Howard claimed his "mandate" - or "referendum" - on his

GST

Even though MORE people voted AGAINST it - than FOR it

WHERE was the "outrage" THEN ?

( ... and bear in mind, this was a "fork in the road" FEDERAL ELECTION - and "referendum" if you like - on ANOTHER new way to tax us all
As opposed to who will lead the"state of insignificance")

and like every other hypocritical leftie you consider that any time 'you' were denied power by a SLIGHT 2PP discrepancy that makes every other event - even a massive gerrymander - okay.

do you even have a principle bone in your body? All you do is beg the question of why every liberal govt doesn't immediately institute a massive gerrymander in their own favour. AFter all, you don't seem to have any trouble with the concept.

A principle stands whether its 1 vote or a million votes.

Its not a "well only if you get over x amount"

Do you believe it or you don't.

And just as you accuse everyone else of, you believe when it is in your favour & pull out every excuse when it doesn't

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Re: SA Gerrymander must end
Reply #28 - Mar 21^st, 2014 at 10:21am

The SA result, regardless, was VITAL for any future of renewable energy in this country

buzzanddidj wrote on Mar 16^th, 2014 at 9:53am:

ANYONE with the slightest concern for the environment would epitomise

"HYPOCRITE"

- were they not praying for a clear Labor Government return to control and power

South Australia and the ACT - under Labor - are the country's last enclaves and hopes for a chance and future for SUSTAINABLE, RENEWABLE ENERGY

Wind farms churn out more than half SA's electricity during wild weather

27 Aug 2013

A record amount of wind energy generated in southern Australia last week demonstrates the need for more investment in renewable technology.

In recent wild weather, wind turbines produced almost half of South Australia's electricity, while 10 per cent of Victoria's energy was delivered by wind farms.

The Clean Energy Council says wind farms powered the equivalent of 2.3 million homes nationwide.

Conservation council chief executive Tim Kelly says South Australia is on track to achieve its 2020 renewable energy target of 33 per cent.

Mr Kelly says wind farms are a proven power source and the recent result should prompt more ambitious renewable energy targets.

"South Australia can make electricity when the wind blows. We can also make electricity when the sun shines and we can also expand in hot rocks and other renewable supplies but we've got so much wind electricity established now that during these periods at this time of the year in particular we're generating lots of wind power," he said.

"Where will the next 30 per cent of renewable electricity come from in South Australia by say 2030?

"That's going to take a different thinking where we connect to the great wind resources on Eyre Peninsula and we've also got these great solar resources and projects like the Repower Port Augusta large-scale concentrated solar thermal power plant."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-27/wind-energy-generation-record/4914266

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Re: SA Gerrymander must end
Reply #29 - Mar 21^st, 2014 at 10:49am

cods wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 7:56am:

do lefties still believe we would be better off without the GST??..

Interesting QUESTION
Perhaps YES
Perhaps NO

But rest ASSURED, should the Liberal Party realise its LONG HELD LUST of extending the GST to the most BASIC, ESSENTIAL, fresh food items - NO ONE would be worse off than YOURSELF

You are a serial complainer on the cost of food NOW
THINK about it - with an
across the board 10% "food tax"
on EVERYTHING from a quarter pumpkin to half a kilo of sausage mince

And DON'T expect any above indexation pension rise as compensation

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