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Reply #60 - Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 11:02am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 10:29am:

[quote author=GeorgeH link=1395354866/55#55 date=1395444826]Without a good Indie the seats elected Nats as expected.

Have you any idea of the money Oaky got for his electorate? A long long list of works, roads, bridges and so on. all paid for by money that was denied to OTHER electorates. Bribery and extortion is not something we should be extolling - even for a simian like you.

Peter Andren was another ex–Nats Indie in Calare. A brilliant bloke, became disgusted with the Nats. Unfortunately he died just before the 2007 election. I don’t even know the name of the numpty that the Nats put into Calare and he would have achieved sod all for Calare I bet.

Andren, Oakeshotte and Windsor were and are principled men of sound intellect. We need more like them and I am sure the Nats will keep pissing off people of intellect and principle in their ranks.

No, all got because Oaky worked for his electorate! Worked much harder than a Nat would have.

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Reply #61 - Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 11:05am

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 11:02am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 10:29am:

[quote author=GeorgeH link=1395354866/55#55 date=1395444826]Without a good Indie the seats elected Nats as expected.

Have you any idea of the money Oaky got for his electorate? A long long list of works, roads, bridges and so on.

Peter Andren was another ex–Nats Indie in Calare. A brilliant bloke, became disgusted with the Nats. Unfortunately he died just before the 2007 election. I don’t even know the name of the numpty that the Nats put into Calare and he would have achieved sod all for Calare I bet.

Andren, Oakeshotte and Windsor were and are principled men of sound intellect. We need more like them and I am sure the Nats will keep pissing off people of intellect and principle in their ranks.

No, all got because Oaky worked for his electorate! Worked much harder than a Nat would have.

all paid for by money that was denied to OTHER electorates. Bribery and extortion is not something we should be extolling - even for a simian like you.

not even the most lard-headed labor rusted-on would deny that Oakeshot demanded things for his electorate soley for his vote to keep Gillard in power. and them comes you, so far below their standard of intellect that it defies belief.

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Re: Not so Independents
Reply #62 - Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 11:16am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 11:05am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 11:02am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 10:29am:

[quote author=GeorgeH link=1395354866/55#55 date=1395444826]Without a good Indie the seats elected Nats as expected.

Have you any idea of the money Oaky got for his electorate? A long long list of works, roads, bridges and so on.

Peter Andren was another ex–Nats Indie in Calare. A brilliant bloke, became disgusted with the Nats. Unfortunately he died just before the 2007 election. I don’t even know the name of the numpty that the Nats put into Calare and he would have achieved sod all for Calare I bet.

Andren, Oakeshotte and Windsor were and are principled men of sound intellect. We need more like them and I am sure the Nats will keep pissing off people of intellect and principle in their ranks.

No, all got because Oaky worked for his electorate! Worked much harder than a Nat would have.

all paid for by money that was denied to OTHER electorates. Bribery and extortion is not something we should be extolling - even for a simian like you.

not even the most lard-headed labor rusted-on would deny that Oakeshot demanded things for his electorate soley for his vote to keep Gillard in power. and them comes you, so far below their standard of intellect that it defies belief.

No, you have no evidence of that. An agreement was reached and documented. Oaky worked hard for his electorate as any Indie, lacking a party apparatus behind him, must do. That is why there are but a few Indies in all the Parliaments.

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Re: Not so Independents
Reply #63 - Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 11:17am

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 11:16am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 11:05am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 11:02am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 10:29am:

[quote author=GeorgeH link=1395354866/55#55 date=1395444826]Without a good Indie the seats elected Nats as expected.

Have you any idea of the money Oaky got for his electorate? A long long list of works, roads, bridges and so on.

Peter Andren was another ex–Nats Indie in Calare. A brilliant bloke, became disgusted with the Nats. Unfortunately he died just before the 2007 election. I don’t even know the name of the numpty that the Nats put into Calare and he would have achieved sod all for Calare I bet.

Andren, Oakeshotte and Windsor were and are principled men of sound intellect. We need more like them and I am sure the Nats will keep pissing off people of intellect and principle in their ranks.

No, all got because Oaky worked for his electorate! Worked much harder than a Nat would have.

all paid for by money that was denied to OTHER electorates. Bribery and extortion is not something we should be extolling - even for a simian like you.

not even the most lard-headed labor rusted-on would deny that Oakeshot demanded things for his electorate soley for his vote to keep Gillard in power. and them comes you, so far below their standard of intellect that it defies belief.

No, you have no evidence of that. An agreement was reached and documented. Oaky worked hard for his electorate as any Indie, lacking a party apparatus behind him, must do. That is why there are but a few Indies in all the Parliaments.

Oakeshot even delivered a list of requirements including projects (like the NBN to his electorate) to Gillard in demand for his vote. that you don't know that is pitiful.

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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: Not so Independents Reply #64 - Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 11:19am And you get it wrong AGAIN and no excuse this time! Oaky and Windsor wanted priority for the regions in the rollout of the NBN.
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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Not so Independents Reply #65 - Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 11:21am St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 11:19am: And you get it wrong AGAIN and no excuse this time! Oaky and Windsor wanted priority for the regions in the rollout of the NBN. yes of they are.... rural electorates. a bribe. extortion.
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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: Not so Independents Reply #66 - Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 11:58am Armidale in New England got wired up to the NBN early. Not sure if there was any rollout in Lyne. But the Agreement was for the regions to get a higher priority than they would otherwise have. But ALL electorates would have gotten the NBN.
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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Not so Independents Reply #67 - Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 12:39pm St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 11:58am: Armidale in New England got wired up to the NBN early. Not sure if there was any rollout in Lyne. But the Agreement was for the regions to get a higher priority than they would otherwise have. But ALL electorates would have gotten the NBN. by 2035
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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Not so Independents Reply #68 - Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 1:23pm I've got the nbn. Thanks Tony.
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Bam Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21905 Gender:	Re: Not so Independents Reply #69 - Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 1:49pm Swagman wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 1:23pm: I've got the nbn. Thanks Tony. A shame that Tony Windsor is no longer in Parliament.
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Re: Not so Independents
Reply #70 - Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 2:01pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 11:02am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 10:29am:

[quote author=GeorgeH link=1395354866/55#55 date=1395444826]Without a good Indie the seats elected Nats as expected.

Have you any idea of the money Oaky got for his electorate? A long long list of works, roads, bridges and so on. all paid for by money that was denied to OTHER electorates. Bribery and extortion is not something we should be extolling - even for a simian like you.

Peter Andren was another ex–Nats Indie in Calare. A brilliant bloke, became disgusted with the Nats. Unfortunately he died just before the 2007 election. I don’t even know the name of the numpty that the Nats put into Calare and he would have achieved sod all for Calare I bet.

Andren, Oakeshotte and Windsor were and are principled men of sound intellect. We need more like them and I am sure the Nats will keep pissing off people of intellect and principle in their ranks.

No, all got because Oaky worked for his electorate! Worked much harder than a Nat would have.

Huh?
Dopeshott was/is a fool.
His electorate are mostly conservative he betrayed them. hence he is gone.
Windsor was a bitter and twisted old hater and his electorate are mostly conservative.
both would never have sided with the Coalition.
Nor would have Wilkie a PC LW Prog if ever there was one.
Nick Xenophon is about the only one I'd give time to.
Why do you post in politics if you know so little?

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Not so Independents Reply #71 - Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 2:06pm Bam wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 1:49pm: Swagman wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 1:23pm: I've got the nbn. Thanks Tony. A shame that Tony Windsor is no longer in Parliament. Replaced by Barney
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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: Not so Independents Reply #72 - Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 2:14pm Swagman wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 1:23pm: I've got the nbn. Thanks Tony. Lucky you
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Re: Not so Independents
Reply #73 - Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 2:43pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 2:01pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 11:02am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 10:29am:

[quote author=GeorgeH link=1395354866/55#55 date=1395444826]Without a good Indie the seats elected Nats as expected.

Have you any idea of the money Oaky got for his electorate? A long long list of works, roads, bridges and so on. all paid for by money that was denied to OTHER electorates. Bribery and extortion is not something we should be extolling - even for a simian like you.

Peter Andren was another ex–Nats Indie in Calare. A brilliant bloke, became disgusted with the Nats. Unfortunately he died just before the 2007 election. I don’t even know the name of the numpty that the Nats put into Calare and he would have achieved sod all for Calare I bet.

Andren, Oakeshotte and Windsor were and are principled men of sound intellect. We need more like them and I am sure the Nats will keep pissing off people of intellect and principle in their ranks.

No, all got because Oaky worked for his electorate! Worked much harder than a Nat would have.

Huh?
Dopeshott was/is a fool.
His electorate are mostly conservative he betrayed them. hence he is gone.
Windsor was a bitter and twisted old hater and his electorate are mostly conservative.
both would never have sided with the Coalition.

Windsor didn't like Abbott and made no secret of this. It's not the same thing as not liking the Liberals. If the Liberals had been led by someone more reasonable, like Turnbull, Hockey or another good Liberal, would Windsor have supported the Liberals instead? I don't know.

Oakeshott seemed to prevaricate more - his infamous 17-minute speech was an example of this.

Both were former Nationals. It says something about the Nationals that many rural independents are former Nationals. Katter was another, so was the late Andren. Too often the Nationals are just country Liberals with big hats, and don't follow their own beliefs. It's no wonder that people become disillusioned with them and leave. It's not for no reason that notional National party seats see a disproportionate number of independents winning them.

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Nor would have Wilkie a PC LW Prog if ever there was one.

Yes, Wilkie is left-leaning. He represents a left-leaning electorate. He would not have been elected in a conservative-leaning electorate.

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Nick Xenophon is about the only one I'd give time to.

Agreed, Xenophon is a good politician with more integrity than most of them.

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Re: Not so Independents
Reply #74 - Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 7:02pm

Swagman wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 8:34am:

In the light of the hung parliaments and hung senates that seem to be the political reality these days the so-called 'Independent' candidates should have to clarify before the election which side of politics they would support in the event of a hung parliament.

Voters should know before they vote.

The Windsor & Oakshotte debarcle (sic)
is testimony to that.

What "debacle" do you refer to ?

All I saw democracy in action - with near record pieces of legislation passed - DESPITE the obstructive, destructive antics and stunts pulled by the
"government in exile"

... and if you want an "independent" that will blindly back the
LibNats
- without weighing up what decision is in the best interests of the electorate and country - why not elect a
LibNat
representative in the FIRST place ?

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