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St George of the Garden

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Re: Not so Independents
Reply #90 - Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 10:45pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 8:34pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 8:01pm:

Windsor and Oaky were gems in the previous Parliament. Disagree “bitter and twisted” didn’t behave like that—didn’t reveal that conversation with the simian he recorded on his mobile phone for example.

Brock is going to support Labor in SA. Such is going to hospital for an operation—I said he was a fence sitter.

Gems? Of what? certainly not wisdom. They betrayed their conservative electorates.

Why would you expect Brock to do any different, he used to work at port pirie. I doubt he'd ever swing Liberal.

Gems of integrity, decency and honor. Parliament would not have lasted the full three years without them and the nation owes them heaps. For some, party affiliation may prevent them from seeing that now but hopefully that will change with time.

Their electorates elected them, not some Nat drone or numpty.

Brock was in the Liberal Party for a short time. Brock was always going to support Labor because Labor had one more seat than the Libs. Take away one MP to be Speaker and the Indies both supporting the Libs would have seen 23 seats on each side of the chamber—unworkable. With Brock it is tight, 23 to 22 but doable and I doubt Such will ever vote against the govt so it is 24:22.

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Re: Not so Independents
Reply #92 - Mar 24^th, 2014 at 9:48am

Grendel wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 8:30pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 9:25pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 7:36pm:

Hate to tell you this Bam, but Windsor also hated the Nats and probably other Libs... he is a bitter and twisted old man.

If that's the case, the Nationals must really have done something to pss him off. I doubt it's all of his own making. Don't forget too that he took on Nationals at elections and defeated them more than once.

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No way was he ever going to support the Coalition.
Turnbull will probably never lead it after his last fiasco. He should quit and join Labor his natural fit...

Turnbull is probably a "wet". Don't confuse Liberal party factionalism with being a natural fit for Labor. Turnbull's closer to the Liberal party ideology of Menzies than the dry-infested party that the Liberals have become.

Windsor is just a bitter and twisted old man. Don't for one minute hold him up to Andren or Mack.

The Nationals are a lingering irrelevancy. They hold no seats outside NSW and Victoria. They only win House seats because the Liberals don't run against them. They only win Senate seats because the Liberals prop them up with a joint ticket; they are unlikely to win any Senate seats in their own right with 4% of the vote.

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Turnbull? I'm not confused he already tried to join the ALP in the past. He's a progressive, the ALP apparently are the progressive party these days he should be their leader. Roll Eyes

Liberal voters should be pleased that Turnbull is among their ranks. The Liberals would have less broad appeal if Turnbull cannot find a place among them. This is probably why many practically begged Turnbull not to quit when he considered leaving politics a couple of years ago.

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Re: Not so Independents
Reply #93 - Mar 24^th, 2014 at 10:11pm

Bam wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 9:48am:

Grendel wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 8:30pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 9:25pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 7:36pm:

Hate to tell you this Bam, but Windsor also hated the Nats and probably other Libs... he is a bitter and twisted old man.

If that's the case, the Nationals must really have done something to pss him off. I doubt it's all of his own making. Don't forget too that he took on Nationals at elections and defeated them more than once.

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No way was he ever going to support the Coalition.
Turnbull will probably never lead it after his last fiasco. He should quit and join Labor his natural fit...

Turnbull is probably a "wet". Don't confuse Liberal party factionalism with being a natural fit for Labor. Turnbull's closer to the Liberal party ideology of Menzies than the dry-infested party that the Liberals have become.

Windsor is just a bitter and twisted old man. Don't for one minute hold him up to Andren or Mack.

The Nationals are a lingering irrelevancy. They hold no seats outside NSW and Victoria. They only win House seats because the Liberals don't run against them. They only win Senate seats because the Liberals prop them up with a joint ticket; they are unlikely to win any Senate seats in their own right with 4% of the vote.

So? How does that prove Windsor isn't a bitter and twisted old man? That's right... it doesn't. What do you know of Nationals policy? Better than the Libs I bet ya... was last time I looked.

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Turnbull? I'm not confused he already tried to join the ALP in the past. He's a progressive, the ALP apparently are the progressive party these days he should be their leader. Roll Eyes

Liberal voters should be pleased that Turnbull is among their ranks.

Why he's hardly a Conservative and the Libs are supposed to be Conservative that's why labor just became all progressives. He's already proven he takes no advice from others and has poor political judgement.

The Liberals would have less broad appeal if Turnbull cannot find a place among them.

Doubt it... maybe in his seat.

This is probably why many practically begged Turnbull not to quit when he considered leaving politics a couple of years ago.

Most didn't beg him BTW. many would have been happy with him gone.

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Re: Not so Independents
Reply #94 - Mar 25^th, 2014 at 7:53am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 10:29am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 9:33am:

Without a good Indie the seats elected Nats as expected.

Have you any idea of the money Oaky got for his electorate? A long long list of works, roads, bridges and so on.

Peter Andren was another ex–Nats Indie in Calare. A brilliant bloke, became disgusted with the Nats. Unfortunately he died just before the 2007 election. I don’t even know the name of the numpty that the Nats put into Calare and he would have achieved sod all for Calare I bet.

Andren, Oakeshotte and Windsor were and are principled men of sound intellect. We need more like them and I am sure the Nats will keep pissing off people of intellect and principle in their ranks.

all paid for by money that was denied to OTHER electorates. Bribery and extortion is not something we should be extolling - even for a simian like you.

Didnt someone offer $100m for the Hobart Hospital in their negoiations is Wilkie?

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Re: Not so Independents
Reply #95 - Mar 25^th, 2014 at 8:03am

Bam wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 9:48am:

The Nationals are a lingering irrelevancy. They hold no seats outside NSW and Victoria. They only win House seats because the Liberals don't run against them. They only win Senate seats because the Liberals prop them up with a joint ticket; they are unlikely to win any Senate seats in their own right with 4% of the vote

Do you feel the same way about the Greens? Huh

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