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Sanctions against Russia v no sanctions Israel
Mar 21st, 2014 at 12:34pm
 
is that dishonest and hypocritical?

USA has been using sanctions for years and they have hurt world trade as much as they hurt the target. The most affected people are the wretched huddled masses in the sanctionees and sanctioners while the owners of money keep shoveling loads of it into their accounts.

Europe will be the biggest sufferer of sanctions against Russia.
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Re: Sanctions against Russia v no sanctions Israel
Reply #1 - Mar 21st, 2014 at 4:20pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 12:34pm:
is that dishonest and hypocritical?

USA has been using sanctions for years and they have hurt world trade as much as they hurt the target. The most affected people are the wretched huddled masses in the sanctionees and sanctioners while the owners of money keep shoveling loads of it into their accounts.

Europe will be the biggest sufferer of sanctions against Russia.


We'd like to believe that the sanctions are just some obligatory thing Barack Obama's put in place. But in reality it's just the left, as a representation of the 'X', imposing its effects. Part of a continued 'softening' of all societies world wide. But we should be grateful that it's only sanctions this time, because the 'liberal' is capable of far harsher responses than is even the most aggressive right-wing hawk.

And you're right Israel gets away with well 'murder', no one says anything. But don't get me wrong, I've got nothing against 'der Juden' themselves. 
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Reply #2 - Mar 21st, 2014 at 5:51pm
 
GA wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 4:20pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 12:34pm:
is that dishonest and hypocritical?

USA has been using sanctions for years and they have hurt world trade as much as they hurt the target. The most affected people are the wretched huddled masses in the sanctionees and sanctioners while the owners of money keep shoveling loads of it into their accounts.

Europe will be the biggest sufferer of sanctions against Russia.


We'd like to believe that the sanctions are just some obligatory thing Barack Obama's put in place. But in reality it's just the left, as a representation of the 'X', imposing its effects. Part of a continued 'softening' of all societies world wide. But we should be grateful that it's only sanctions this time, because the 'liberal' is capable of far harsher responses than is even the most aggressive right-wing hawk.

And you're right Israel gets away with well 'murder', no one says anything. But don't get me wrong, I've got nothing against 'der Juden' themselves. 


USA's will for war is weakened after 10+ years of killing muslims.

It is unlikely that USA would attack Russia because they have no resources in the area and Russia is not weak and has home ground advantage.

The whole of Europe would be at risk if there was a military conflict.
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Reply #3 - Mar 21st, 2014 at 6:40pm
 
Not that long ago it was all one Country. The United States and all the rest of them, should butt out.

It's a family dispute. Crimea voted 95% in favour of becoming one with Russia.

I'd call that 'game over'.
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Reply #4 - Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:06pm
 
One has only to check out You Tube for videos of joint sessions of Congress where we see the lawmakers and people's representatives of that foreign country collectively grovelling at the feet of the Israeli PM Bibi Netanyahu.

Clapping of hands doesn't cut it for sufficient expressions of adulation for the ex furniture salesman. One can't help notice the audience leap to their feet on many occasions in the clip below, such is their overwhelming desire for the ultimate 'standing ovation style' expression of sycophancy.

Do you expect this group of clearly subjugated people to vote in any way against Israel's wishes???

And they surely don't.....ever!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNnHArM2P9s
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Reply #5 - Mar 22nd, 2014 at 2:34pm
 
USA sanctions on various countries has shrunk world trade, reduced oil supplies, caused misery to wretched huddled masses while not doing USA any favors.

USA and Europe has now picked up economic basket case Ukraine as a dependent and depending how the situation turns another basket case Georgia might become a dependent.

There is also the potential for war as the rhetoric ratchets up.

Obama is gutless and contributes to war fear by his lack of control over the rabble of the elected representatives.

http://original.antiwar.com/buchanan/2014/03/21/marching-as-to-war/

"...Moreover, in this age of interdependence that America did so much to launch, sanctions are a two-edged sword.

If Ukraine cuts off oil, gas, water and electricity into a seceded Crimea, whose tourist trade is drying up, this could provoke Putin into invading Eastern Ukraine and seizing the lone land bridge onto the peninsula.

It could provoke Russia into cutting off imports from Ukraine, turning off the oil and gas, and calling in Ukraine’s debts. This would precipitate a default by Ukraine, without more Western aid than the $35 billion it is now estimated Kiev will need by 2016.

Are House Republicans willing to vote America’s share of that vast sum and make Ukraine a recipient of U.S. foreign aid roughly equal to what we provide annually to Israel and Egypt?

And if we severely sanction Russia, she could cut off oil and gas to Europe, cause a recession in the eurozone, and move closer to China.

Nixon’s great achievement was to split China off from Moscow. President Reagan’s great achievement was to preside over the conversion of the “evil empire” into a country where he was cheered in Red Square.

What our Greatest Generation presidents accomplished, our Baby Boomer presidents appear to have booted away...
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Re: Sanctions against Russia v no sanctions Israel
Reply #6 - Mar 23rd, 2014 at 5:07pm
 
red baron wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 6:40pm:
Not that long ago it was all one Country. The United States and all the rest of them, should butt out.

It's a family dispute. Crimea voted 95% in favour of becoming one with Russia.

I'd call that 'game over'.


The sanctions, like the rhetoric, are obligatory.  Cameron has an election to win, Obama has been embarrassed by Palin (2008):

" After the Russian Army invaded the nation of Georgia, Senator Obama's reaction was one of indecision and moral equivalence, the kind of response that would only encourage Russia's Putin to invade Ukraine next."

Palin was point scoring. You'll find none of them would in reality dispute Russia's right to rule Crimea.

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Reply #7 - Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:42pm
 
Obama is a stool. A cross between a stooge and a tool. He appears to have no opinions or policies of his own and therefore is carried by the tide of cretinous elected representatives who are corrupted by lobbyists and are a rabble in respect to having no control from their own parties.

There is no certainty about which way the Crimea situation will go because it is driven by rabble in the USA.

The neocons are punch drunk after 911, Afghanistan and Iraq and will be looking to provoke conflict.
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Reply #8 - Mar 26th, 2014 at 5:31pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:42pm:
Obama is a stool. A cross between a stooge and a tool. He appears to have no opinions or policies of his own and therefore is carried by the tide of cretinous elected representatives who are corrupted by lobbyists and are a rabble in respect to having no control from their own parties.


Obama is a politician, and it would be unreasonable to expect politicians to come up with the solutions themselves. Solving problems is something a think-tank does, but these same people don't necessarily have what it takes to get elected. The politicians and the party being like two separate entities. A politician solving a substantial problem relating to their country would be something akin to an automotive assembly line worker making a breakthrough in automotive design. Politicians are there to present policy, not to make it. Their job is to 'sell' it to the public, defend it from the opposition etc. We've followed the American example of expecting solutions to come from the top, something that logically shouldn't happen. Faith in leadership and the good intentions of those leaders is not something we should ever rely on to solve our problems. All politicians do is stumble along from election to election, randomly, occasionaly making positive changes. 

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There is no certainty about which way the Crimea situation will go because it is driven by rabble in the USA.


It's going the right way for now, but eventually Putin himself will be defeated by the 'new age', and be treated in much the same way that Qaddafi was by the ingrates of Libya. Putin will escape the same fate though, by not being as patriotic or loyal to his country, he'll probably just escape with a pile of money.   

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