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Robert Hughes copping it from Prosecutor
Mar 21^st, 2014 at 4:14pm

That well loved star of Hey Dad, good old Robert Hughes had an uncomfortable time in the witness box today. The prosecutor savaged him and reminded the court that Hughes was well capable of 'acting out a part' which she accused him of doing in his testimony.

Hughes is attempting to lay a straight bat at the allegations of child molestation.

My thoughts are he will be clean bowled.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38734 Gender:	Re: Robert Hughes copping it from Prosecutor Reply #1 - Mar 21^st, 2014 at 4:19pm Aren't some of the accusers also actors?
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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Robert Hughes copping it from Prosecutor Reply #2 - Mar 21^st, 2014 at 4:53pm Aussie wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 4:19pm: Aren't some of the accusers also actors? ouch!!
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Reply #3 - Mar 21^st, 2014 at 4:55pm

I would however like to put on the record that it seems rather obvious from the preponderance of testimony from so many sources that Hughes is guilty of at least some of the offences.

That above disclaimer is for the retards that infest this place who seem to think that supporting rules of evidence, due process and fairness for all - including the accused - makes one pro-paedo.

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Reply #4 - Mar 21^st, 2014 at 5:11pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 4:55pm:

I would however like to put on the record that it seems rather obvious from the preponderance of testimony from so many sources that Hughes is guilty of at least some of the offences.

That above disclaimer is for the retards that infest this place who seem to think that supporting rules of evidence, due process and fairness for all - including the accused - makes one pro-paedo.

hehehehehe

its a hell of a thing for anyone to prove after so many years...I guess thats why they pick on kids...who would ever tell anyone at that young age...even later it must still be hard to describe it all...I wouldnt want to do it...

I dont envy the "victims" yes it is plural..

more than one.. like with Rolf...got to be something in it..

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Reply #5 - Mar 21^st, 2014 at 5:32pm

cods wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 5:11pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 4:55pm:

I would however like to put on the record that it seems rather obvious from the preponderance of testimony from so many sources that Hughes is guilty of at least some of the offences.

That above disclaimer is for the retards that infest this place who seem to think that supporting rules of evidence, due process and fairness for all - including the accused - makes one pro-paedo.

hehehehehe

its a hell of a thing for anyone to prove after so many years...I guess thats why they pick on kids...who would ever tell anyone at that young age...even later it must still be hard to describe it all...I wouldnt want to do it...

I dont envy the "victims" yes it is plural..

more than one.. like with Rolf...got to be something in it..

just so long as we keep in mind the concept of evidence and proof. While I have little doubt Hughes is guilty of most of this, we recently had the case of a girl who made up a sex assault event and the supposed perpetrator was arrested and thrown in jail and denied bail for some time. Now clearly there was zero evidence beyond the claim of a teenage girl. So why no bail?

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philperth2010 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20390 Perth Gender:	Re: Robert Hughes copping it from Prosecutor Reply #6 - Mar 21^st, 2014 at 10:20pm If Hughes is not guilty 5 different woman who knew him have conspired to bring him down because???
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38734 Gender:	Re: Robert Hughes copping it from Prosecutor Reply #7 - Mar 21^st, 2014 at 10:23pm philperth2010 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 10:20pm: If Hughes is not guilty 5 different woman who knew him have conspired to bring him down because??? So.....if I rob five banks I must be guilty of the other 20 bank robberies in Tombstone?
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Reply #8 - Mar 21^st, 2014 at 10:23pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 4:55pm:

I would however like to put on the record that it seems rather obvious from the preponderance of testimony from so many sources that Hughes is guilty of at least some of the offences.

That above disclaimer is for the retards that infest this place who seem to think that supporting rules of evidence, due process and fairness for all - including the accused - makes one pro-paedo.

Yet you only apply this concept to paedophiles.....Just sayin!!!

Huh

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philperth2010 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20390 Perth Gender:	Re: Robert Hughes copping it from Prosecutor Reply #9 - Mar 21^st, 2014 at 10:24pm Aussie wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 10:23pm: philperth2010 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 10:20pm: If Hughes is not guilty 5 different woman who knew him have conspired to bring him down because??? So.....if I rob five banks I must be guilty of the other 20 bank robberies? Is anyone accusing you???
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Re: Robert Hughes copping it from Prosecutor
Reply #10 - Mar 21^st, 2014 at 10:35pm

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 10:24pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 10:23pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 10:20pm:

If Hughes is not guilty 5 different woman who knew him have conspired to bring him down because???

Huh

So.....if I rob five banks I must be guilty of the other 20 bank robberies?

Is anyone accusing you???

Huh

Gee, yer quick on the trigger. I've never been a fan of a bloke (including Rolf Harris) being tried by one Judge in one Court on charges from different women. They should be dealt with separately.

Why disallow evidence of prior convictions for a similar offence when the bloke is tried, but then.....allow another bloke to defend himself against multiple charges in the same Trial?

Nah.....it leads to exactly the conclusion the weekend bloke came to. If six (or whatever the number is) say he did them separately at different times and places, ipso facto, he is guilty of doing them all.

Nah.

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Reply #11 - Mar 21^st, 2014 at 10:42pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 10:35pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 10:24pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 10:23pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 10:20pm:

If Hughes is not guilty 5 different woman who knew him have conspired to bring him down because???

Huh

So.....if I rob five banks I must be guilty of the other 20 bank robberies?

Is anyone accusing you???

Huh

Gee, yer quick on the trigger. I've never been a fan of a bloke (including Rolf Harris) being tried by one Judge in one Court on charges from different women. They should be dealt with separately.

Why disallow evidence of prior convictions for a similar offence when the bloke is tried, but then.....allow another bloke to defend himself against multiple charges in the same Trial?

Nah.....it leads to exactly the conclusion the weekend bloke came to. If six (or whatever the number is) say he did them separately at different times and places, ipso facto, he is guilty of doing them all.

Nah.

You might remember I deleted your post accusing Peter Roebuck of abusing children on the sports forum.....I was wrong for doing so and apologise.....Yet you still saw fit to lay the allegation!!!

Huh

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Reply #12 - Mar 21^st, 2014 at 11:14pm

Wow - so being an actor celebrity is now an offence? and can be distorted to be used against you in a court of law?

Damn.... the best actors in these shows are the prosecutors and often their coached 'prepared' witnesses. The whole thing is drama - so the prosecutor here may well know what he/she is talking about - but what are the FACTS?

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Re: Robert Hughes copping it from Prosecutor
Reply #13 - Mar 21^st, 2014 at 11:18pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 4:55pm:

I would however like to put on the record that it seems rather obvious from the preponderance of testimony from so many sources that Hughes is guilty of at least some of the offences.

That above disclaimer is for the retards that infest this place who seem to think that supporting rules of evidence, due process and fairness for all - including the accused - makes one pro-paedo.

Preponderance of testimony - what are the corroborating factors and please - let us ensure these are substantial. principle is 'substantial corroborating evidence' to support primary evidence.

Note the components here - evidence of substance is required to support mere words.... mere words alone cannot suffice no matter how 'preponderant' - and must needs be supported by proven facts including a substantial measure of solid factual evidence as opposed to simple statements that 'these are the facts'.

Nothing is a Fact in law until it is proven to the proper standard required....

Testimony alone cannot convict in a real court - only here in the kangaroo courts - as Red Baron well knows.

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Reply #14 - Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 2:06am

I'm going to add a cautionary note here (again);-

In 1992, in my submission to the Law Reform commission of NSW regarding its intent to introduce 'laws' on 'domestic violence' - I raised the very real issue that such intended 'laws' carried the very real concern with them that they would, by the very fact of their possessing a zero requirement for proof positive - reduce the standard of proof perceived to be required by judges/magistrates in ALL cases.

Since these proposed 'laws' were intended to be 'civil matters' and bound by the standard of proof of civil matters - i.e. balance of probabilities - so as to ensure 'protection' of any purported 'victim' - they ran the risk - which has been proven to be the case - of influencing judges/magistrates to the view that any and all cases brought before them only required the civil standard of proof.

Meaning that the ''balance of probabilities' - ESPECIALLY in cases brought by specified groups now perceived to be victims - would become the standard of proof for ANY complaint raised by any person in any of those groups.

This has indeed come to pass, and largely by the fact of introducing and then accustoming judges/magistrates to the exercise of the civil standard in such issues.

This has lead us to the current impasse - the IMPOSSIBILITY of determining beyond reasonable doubt any accusation laid by a member of a specified social group (those with accredited victim status) - and thus the near certainty that, in view of the lack of substantial evidence and in fear of not 'upholding the rights of the victim' - a judge/magistrate will find 'guilt' without recourse to the proper standard of proof.

This is a clear and present danger to all citizens equally - and on that basis - unless there is substantial and properly supported evidence of wrongdoing - I cannot accept any court decision in the cases of Robert Hughes, Rolf Harris and similar.

No court should be swayed by popular sentiment or falsification of the rules of evidence.

(signed) Judge Grappler.

*** now let me hear it from the tide of fools who will say I am supporting child abusers.... by defending the rights of an accused

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