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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 137785 Gender:	Re: Asylum Seekers Processing Problems Reply #15 - Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 8:47am Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 7:30am: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 9:26pm: Incorrect: the planes are still coming. And landing in Indonesia? No: they're landing in Australia. Illegal immigrants come by plane, not boat.
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DaS Energy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3962 Gender:	Re: Asylum Seekers Processing Problems Reply #16 - Mar 24^th, 2014 at 3:16am "Lets have a new policy on asylum seekers." Labour is extremely happy with Coal-ition policy of let them rot and be murdered while caged until they can take no more and ask to be sent home.
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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Asylum Seekers Processing Problems Reply #17 - Mar 24^th, 2014 at 6:53am greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 8:47am: No: they're landing in Australia. Illegal immigrants come by plane, not boat. That's news to me. In that case why are the rest of them opting to disembark in Indonesia?
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Reply #18 - Mar 24^th, 2014 at 7:04am

I do not like the idea as a regional processing centre would act as a magnet for asylum seekers with an expectation they would be resettled in Australia if they are found to be genuine refugees......The UN needs to build permanent camps in the regions these people come from to ensure repatriation once what ever conflict they are escaping has ended.....Most asylum seekers come from the ME or Africa which is no surprise considering the corruption and illegitimate Governments that control these regions and persecute minorities.....Fix the root cause and you will not have any asylum seekers!!!

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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: Asylum Seekers Processing Problems Reply #19 - Mar 24^th, 2014 at 7:08am Burma has created its own fair share of ASs by persecuting a minority there. As to fixing root causes—the simian has cut foreign aid.
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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Asylum Seekers Processing Problems Reply #20 - Mar 24^th, 2014 at 2:42pm St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 7:08am: As to fixing root causes—the simian has cut foreign aid. Great news. It's why the majority of us voted for Abbott. He's not a lickspittle to 'international opinion' of Australia.
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Winston Smith Gold Member Offline Ministry of Truth Posts: 1549 Oceania Gender:	Re: Asylum Seekers Processing Problems Reply #21 - Mar 24^th, 2014 at 2:51pm Did one of the machines break down?
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Reply #22 - Mar 25^th, 2014 at 8:19am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 4:57pm:

We don't have any problems with processing asylum seekers. We did have illegal immigrants until Abbott & Morrison came to office, but haven't had any in 90-odd days!

You call the boat people illegal immigrants some people call them country shoppers and some call them asylum seekers, so how about we call them boat people so we are all on the same page.

Anyway you are saying that no boat people have made it to Australia in the last 90 days, since Abbott and Morrison came to office. Well you and Morrison are wrong there has been heaps of boat people made to Australia in the last 90 days, and I can prove it.

Lets rewind a bit and go back into history it not that far back, OK we are in London where Julian Assange has claim asylum. We all know the story so I go into it.

So lets now go to Jakarta and someone ask for asylum in Australia Embassy, what would Australia officials do there would they process the claimant there, would they throw the claimant out or would they sent the claimant to Manus Island or Nauru to be processed for asylum.

You might be wondering what has this got to do with turning asylum seekers back on the high sea. Well Embassies are covered by Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations and warship are covered by CONVENTION ON THE HIGH SEAS

So what it boils down to is when a boat people board a Australia warship it is class as them making Australia and they then can ask for asylum same as if they went into the Australia embassy.

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Reply #23 - Mar 25^th, 2014 at 8:20am

Swagman wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 5:05pm:

John S wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 3:36pm:

So why doesn’t the labor party bite the bullet and set the regional process centre on Australia soil and hand it over to the UNHCR to run?

Because that would actually attract boats not discourage them unwiseone...

You didn’t read the full post. Would you paid someone $10,000 to get on a leaking boat and finish up in Manus Island or Nauru and not know where you could finish up if you are found to be a refugee, or would you like fly into Christmas for free and get resettle in Australia or another 1st world country if you are found to be a refugee.

There is only one way to stop the boats and that is stopping people getting on them in the first place. So what would your plan be to stop the boats?

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Reply #24 - Mar 25^th, 2014 at 8:22am

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 7:10pm:

John S wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 3:36pm:

The labor government when they were in power was trying to get a regional process centre up and running and no country in the region wanted to take it on board.

Howard set up a regional processing centre for refugees that resettled refugees into other countries, Labor dismantled this regional processing centre that resettled refugees into other countries when they dismantled the Pacific solution.

The labor government was thrown out in the last election because Australians were sick of their lies, they have no hope of being re elected while they continue to tell lies.

The centre was never set up for a regional process centre at the time Howard never mention it as a regional process centre. When it was set up Nauru never signed the Refugee Convention and the only country that said it would take refugees was New Zealand

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Reply #25 - Mar 25^th, 2014 at 8:22am

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 10:05pm:

Typical lefty a hole. You cant tell others not to post on this forum.

It is quite clear that your ilk should not be in power. This is the type of crap policy on the run that labor was famous for. Not one brain cell goes to consequence with you lot.

You would still get the boats, because if you fly them over, they would have to be indentified first Are you suggesting we put hijackers on planes, hope they dont do a 911, then process them with a sigh of relief.

Yeh good thinkin. You should join labor's policy on the run team. Be quick, they are running past right now.

Do you know what you post from one day to the next?

You righters are saying that asylum seeker fly into Indonesia then they throw all their I.D. overboard when they get on a boat. So do you really think that if they know they are flying to Christmas Island that they would all their I.D. away. Also if someone want to highjack a plane while didn’t they do it when they were flying to Indonesia.

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Reply #26 - Mar 25^th, 2014 at 8:23am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 5:18am:

There's plenty of info, you just don't like it . Also, the people on those boats that used to come here are economic migrants, they're coming purely for financial gain. We saw on the 730 Report what they REALLY think of us: f-Australia, "I'm going to kill you Navy people!". Not the type of people I'd ever want to see here.

What would you do if you were treated like this

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ARASH SEDIGH: I ask them, "If we will die in these orange boats? It's not suitable for passing the ocean." They told me, "That's not our problem. That's yours. If you die in the Indonesian water, Indonesian Government in trouble and responsible. That's not our problem."

NURADIN MOUSAVI: They dropped two boats from the Navy ship, they sailed towards us. When they arrived, they started without saying anything. We asked for help. "Our boat has holes, we are sinking." They only kept saying to us, "Shut up, don't move and sit down!"

ARASH SEDIGH: When Customs come inside our wooden boat, I just ask them, "Please, please help us. Would you please take us in a safe place?" They just shouted on me, "Shut up, shut up, sit down!"

NURADIN MOUSAVI: From there, they shift us in front of the boat, have their basement totally locked. They put everybody inside.

MAHBOUBE MOUSAVI (subtitle translation): They put us in a very dark room. No matter how much we begged them to put a light bulb in the room, they would just shut the door on us, although there was a very small window. They covered it with cardboard from the back so that we wouldn't see any light.

GEORGE ROBERTS: Nouradin (phonetic spelling) Mousavi and Mahboube say they were kept onboard the Triton for almost a week.

MAHBOUBE MOUSAVI (subtitle translation): My heart troubled me there very much. I actually saw death in from of my eyes. I had difficulty breathing. I asked them to at least remove the cardboard and open the door so that we have fresh air. They said, "We are not allowed."

ARASH SEDIGH: They pushed us, they punched us, when we were just asking for our rights. They just told us, "Shut down, shut down - sit down, shut up. Sit down, shut up." And ...

GEORGE ROBERTS: Is that because asylum seekers were protesting or being violent?

ARASH SEDIGH: Yeah, sometimes protesting, sometimes asking for some rights, you know, some facilities. Like, as I told you before, for example, contacting their families.

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2014/s3965617.htm

Would you sit on your arse and say nothing

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John S Gold Member Offline Fascist Party = Liberal Party Posts: 3691 Gender:	Re: Asylum Seekers Processing Problems Reply #27 - Mar 25^th, 2014 at 8:26am 5 post and not one of you can say how the government would stop people getting on the boats to stop the boats coming to Australia. Stopping people getting onto the boats is the only way to stop them not turning them around on the high seas
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Reply #28 - Mar 25^th, 2014 at 8:42am

John S wrote on Mar 25^th, 2014 at 8:26am:

5 post and not one of you can say how the government would stop people getting on the boats to stop the boats coming to Australia.

Stopping people getting onto the boats is the only way to stop them not turning them around on the high seas

Nonsense.

It gives our Border Protection navy personnel realistic training exercises.

The video released by the ABC in which we see a Muslin thug threatening to kill our navy personnel and crash a plane into one of our buildings is absolute GOLD.

It has gone viral, and will become a stock inclusion in the training package for navy personnel deployed to protect our borders.

It will stiffen the resolve of our sailors, and disabuse them of any such notion that these Muslims are innocent victims of unfair policy, and that they should be allowed to become the neighbours in suburbs.

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Reply #29 - Mar 25^th, 2014 at 8:44am

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 25^th, 2014 at 8:42am:

John S wrote on Mar 25^th, 2014 at 8:26am:

5 post and not one of you can say how the government would stop people getting on the boats to stop the boats coming to Australia.

Stopping people getting onto the boats is the only way to stop them not turning them around on the high seas

Nonsense.

It gives our Border Protection navy personnel realistic training exercises.

The video released by the ABC in which we see a Muslin thug threatening to kill our navy personnel and crash a plane into one of our buildings is absolute GOLD.

It has gone viral, and will become a stock inclusion the training package for navy personnel deployed to protect our borders.

It will stiffen the resolve of our sailors, and disabuse them of any such notion that these Muslims are innocent victims of unfair policy, and that they should be allowed to become the neighbours in suburbs.

So you still got no idea on how to stop the boats

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