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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: News Ltd Definitely Not Biased Reply #15 - Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 7:25pm Oh rubbish here we go another bogus topic.... out with the tin-hats people another Rupert Conspiranut Conspiracy. He own less than 30% of the newsprint media in Australia Gee I wonder what the other 70% print?
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Re: News Ltd Definitely Not Biased
Reply #16 - Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 7:49pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 5:52pm:

Kat wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 5:07pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 5:02pm:

Dumb thread alert. As cods pointed out' who the hell said they werent bias' just like ur poorly subscibed leftwing media.

Oh' thats the gripe. Poorly subscribed. Tip. Leave the left agenda behind if yoy want people to read ur media.

Another tip: Maybe they could start telling the truth again if they want readers.

Because they certainly are not doing so at present.

You give the people what they want.
Their readership levels show they do that Kat.

Personally I don't care if they are biased or not.

Their readership levels are predominately due to their focus on sport, entertainment and sensationalism of topics.

It has very little to do with whether what they "report" is accurate or not, and just because we have freedom of the press does not give them the right to manipulate and lie. There's this thing called ethics, and ethics suggests that news ltd has a responsibility to report truthfully.

As for the dumb comments about it being okay for them to be biased, that's nonsense. They have a responsibility to provide fair and commentary to keep their reader informed. They should not act as a propaganda machine for their interested parties. Same goes for fairfax.

The very fact people think it's okay gives rise to the need for proper regulation and only strengthens that argument; without me necessary agreeing with it.

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Reply #17 - Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 7:56pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 7:25pm:

Oh rubbish here we go

another bogus topic....

out with the tin-hats people another Rupert Conspiranut Conspiracy.
He own less than 30% of the newsprint media in Australia
Gee I wonder what the other 70% print?

1. Where do you get your 30% figure from? Bolt?
2. Murdoch is the common factor in 'News of the World,' a crappy yet telling editorial manipulation of "Letter to the Editor," and a Newspaper about to be sentenced for a flagrant and utterly disgraceful breach of Australian Federal Legislation.

Is there any wonder his Papers attract the crabs no matter what % he has?

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Reply #18 - Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 8:43pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 7:56pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 7:25pm:

Oh rubbish here we go

another bogus topic....

out with the tin-hats people another Rupert Conspiranut Conspiracy.
He own less than 30% of the newsprint media in Australia
Gee I wonder what the other 70% print?

1. Where do you get your 30% figure from? Bolt?
2. Murdoch is the common factor in 'News of the World,' a crappy yet telling editorial manipulation of "Letter to the Editor," and a Newspaper about to be sentenced for a flagrant and utterly disgraceful breach of Australian Federal Legislation.

Is there any wonder his Papers attract the crabs no matter what % he has?

While he may be factually correct, most of the other newspapers, non Fairfax/News Corp, are small local papers, if you look at the big national papers, the game changes dramatically.

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Among capital city and national daily newspapers, which are by far the most influential in setting the news agenda, News Corporation titles accounted for 65% of circulation in 2011. Fairfax Media, the next biggest publisher, controlled just 25%. Those figures may have shifted slightly since then, but there is no doubt that News Corp Australia is our most dominant player - as academic Matthew Ricketson pointed out in The Conversation’s media panel blog, it owns 14 of our 21 metro daily and Sunday newspapers.

https://theconversation.com/factcheck-does-murdoch-own-70-of-newspapers-in-austr...

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38770 Gender:	Re: News Ltd Definitely Not Biased Reply #19 - Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 8:49pm Just like Bolt....he is factually correct if you warp the facts. You have picked up the relevant point very well. Grendel knew that, which is why he did not attempt a reponse. He and (his source) Bolt are quite happy to distort things.
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Reply #20 - Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 9:00pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 8:49pm:

Just like Bolt....he is factually correct if you warp the facts. You have picked up the relevant point very well. Grendel knew that, which is why he did not attempt a reponse. He and (his source) Bolt are quite happy to distort things.

Yes, statistics need context or they are meaningless. Wink

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Reply #21 - Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 9:48pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 7:56pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 7:25pm:

Oh rubbish here we go

another bogus topic....

out with the tin-hats people another Rupert Conspiranut Conspiracy.
He own less than 30% of the newsprint media in Australia
Gee I wonder what the other 70% print?

1. Where do you get your 30% figure from? Bolt?

Nope... try google it aint hard.

2. Murdoch is the common factor in 'News of the World,' a crappy yet telling editorial manipulation of "Letter to the Editor," and a Newspaper about to be sentenced for a flagrant and utterly disgraceful breach of Australian Federal Legislation.

Murdoch doesn't run countries or elections.

Is there any wonder his Papers attract the crabs no matter what % he has?

Was that a stupid statement?

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Reply #22 - Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 9:55pm

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Fairfax publishes the second most circulated daily papers in both Melbourne and Sydney, The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald respectively. It also publishes a daily business tabloid, The Australian Financial Review.

Fairfax also owns papers in major regional centres, including the Illawarra Mercury (Wollongong), The Newcastle Herald (Newcastle), The Border Mail (Albury-Wodonga), The Warrnambool Standard (Warrnambool), The Courier (Ballarat) and The Bendigo Advertiser (Bendigo). In addition, its subsidiary Fairfax Community Newspapers publishes 35 community newspapers serving suburban Victoria and New South Wales.

As a result of its Rural Press acquisition, Fairfax has taken control of many newspapers including The Canberra Times and The Land.

If you add to that it's digital services and all the services attached to the ABC, tv, radio etc... you'll find that quite a large audience. not to mention Channel 10 is quite Left leaning these days even though it has picked up Bolt apparently Aussies favourite show to balance out The Project and its News service. Hardly equitable, but hey, who said they had to be fair or unbiased.

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Reply #23 - Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 10:09pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 9:55pm:

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Newspapers

Fairfax publishes the second most circulated daily papers in both Melbourne and Sydney, The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald respectively. It also publishes a daily business tabloid, The Australian Financial Review.

Fairfax also owns papers in major regional centres, including the Illawarra Mercury (Wollongong), The Newcastle Herald (Newcastle), The Border Mail (Albury-Wodonga), The Warrnambool Standard (Warrnambool), The Courier (Ballarat) and The Bendigo Advertiser (Bendigo). In addition, its subsidiary Fairfax Community Newspapers publishes 35 community newspapers serving suburban Victoria and New South Wales.

As a result of its Rural Press acquisition, Fairfax has taken control of many newspapers including The Canberra Times and The Land.

If you add to that it's digital services and all the services attached to the ABC, tv, radio etc... you'll find that quite a large audience. not to mention Channel 10 is quite Left leaning these days even though it has picked up Bolt apparently Aussies favourite show to balance out The Project and its News service. Hardly equitable, but hey, who said they had to be fair or unbiased.

Your highlighted shows the "damn statistics" again with no context.
"News Corporation titles accounted for 65% of circulation in 2011. Fairfax Media, the next biggest publisher, controlled just 25%."

Without context the stats are meaningless.

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Reply #24 - Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 10:13pm

Setanta wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 10:09pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 9:55pm:

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Newspapers

Fairfax publishes the second most circulated daily papers in both Melbourne and Sydney, The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald respectively. It also publishes a daily business tabloid, The Australian Financial Review.

Fairfax also owns papers in major regional centres, including the Illawarra Mercury (Wollongong), The Newcastle Herald (Newcastle), The Border Mail (Albury-Wodonga), The Warrnambool Standard (Warrnambool), The Courier (Ballarat) and The Bendigo Advertiser (Bendigo). In addition, its subsidiary Fairfax Community Newspapers publishes 35 community newspapers serving suburban Victoria and New South Wales.

As a result of its Rural Press acquisition, Fairfax has taken control of many newspapers including The Canberra Times and The Land.

If you add to that it's digital services and all the services attached to the ABC, tv, radio etc... you'll find that quite a large audience. not to mention Channel 10 is quite Left leaning these days even though it has picked up Bolt apparently Aussies favourite show to balance out The Project and its News service. Hardly equitable, but hey, who said they had to be fair or unbiased.

Your highlighted shows the "damn statistics" again with no context.
"News Corporation titles accounted for 65% of circulation in 2011. Fairfax Media, the next biggest publisher, controlled just 25%."

Without context the stats are meaningless.

Google it... I did.
I didn't find it meaningless, but hey I don't have a conspiratorial bone in me.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38770 Gender:	Re: News Ltd Definitely Not Biased Reply #25 - Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 10:15pm Quote: Google it... I did. Good. Show us the links, please.
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Reply #26 - Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 10:44pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 10:13pm:

Setanta wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 10:09pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 9:55pm:

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Newspapers

Fairfax publishes the second most circulated daily papers in both Melbourne and Sydney, The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald respectively. It also publishes a daily business tabloid, The Australian Financial Review.

Fairfax also owns papers in major regional centres, including the Illawarra Mercury (Wollongong), The Newcastle Herald (Newcastle), The Border Mail (Albury-Wodonga), The Warrnambool Standard (Warrnambool), The Courier (Ballarat) and The Bendigo Advertiser (Bendigo). In addition, its subsidiary Fairfax Community Newspapers publishes 35 community newspapers serving suburban Victoria and New South Wales.

As a result of its Rural Press acquisition, Fairfax has taken control of many newspapers including The Canberra Times and The Land.

If you add to that it's digital services and all the services attached to the ABC, tv, radio etc... you'll find that quite a large audience. not to mention Channel 10 is quite Left leaning these days even though it has picked up Bolt apparently Aussies favourite show to balance out The Project and its News service. Hardly equitable, but hey, who said they had to be fair or unbiased.

Your highlighted shows the "damn statistics" again with no context.
"News Corporation titles accounted for 65% of circulation in 2011. Fairfax Media, the next biggest publisher, controlled just 25%."

Without context the stats are meaningless.

Google it... I did.
I didn't find it meaningless, but hey I don't have a conspiratorial bone in me.

The point I was making, and I'm sure it was clear, is that saying "second most circulated" makes it sound substantial when in fact it's a significant drop from 65% for NC vs 25% for FF. Just saying "second most circulated" without context is misleading.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: News Ltd Definitely Not Biased Reply #27 - Mar 25^th, 2014 at 8:46am So you're just ignoring as usual the point I made... good-o. Oh and BTW as that really a right winger you say I am... I support Lock The Gate 100%
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