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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: NSW govt freezes CSG exploration Reply #30 - Mar 29^th, 2014 at 5:52am ____ wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 5:09am: The rest of them can continue to pollute the aquifers with cancer causing pollutants like uranium. Zzzzzzzzzzzzz
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____ Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	Re: NSW govt freezes CSG exploration Reply #31 - Mar 29^th, 2014 at 5:55am Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 5:52am: ____ wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 5:09am: The rest of them can continue to pollute the aquifers with cancer causing pollutants like uranium. Zzzzzzzzzzzzz I take that as agreement from you hicks.
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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: NSW govt freezes CSG exploration Reply #32 - Mar 29^th, 2014 at 6:04am I know more about this process than you and I have no problem with it.
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____ Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	Re: NSW govt freezes CSG exploration Reply #33 - Mar 29^th, 2014 at 6:08am Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 6:04am: I know more about this process than you and I have no problem with it. It's not the process, it's the pollution it causes. Something you are ignorant on since independent studies are lacking.
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Reply #34 - Mar 29^th, 2014 at 6:15am

There are categoric studies carried out by non employees, industry watchdog consultants, government department advisors.

Greens, I'm not sure if you even know this but for it to be regulatory approved there needs to be sampling with 10 feet of the upstream point, then again within 250 feet.

Also the level of seepage has to be tracked through source to upstream pipe delivery.
Combined with checks to the outage emergency valves.

The data we have seen - comparable with other industry studies - shows the seepage is no greater than regular oil and gas delivery in 98.4% of cases.

That is a pass mark for all developed world regulatory approvals.

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Reply #35 - Mar 29^th, 2014 at 7:13am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 6:15am:

There are categoric studies carried out by non employees, industry watchdog consultants, government department advisors.

We had a scientist from an independent body at our MiM protest. He was there because the findings from his company were overruled by the government advisers, who, of course were paid to falsify any adverse evidence.

Every truly independent report, done by university studies etc will confirm that CSG exploration is dangerous. The evidence against far outweighs the evidence supplied by government backed reports.

Some people are so easily conned.

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andrei said: Great isn't it? Seeing boatloads of what is nothing more than human garbage turn up.....

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Bam Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21905 Gender:	Re: NSW govt freezes CSG exploration Reply #36 - Mar 29^th, 2014 at 7:13am Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 6:04am: I know more about this process than you and I have no problem with it. You are known to have a vested interest in the energy industry, so your view on this is tainted by personal profit.
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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: NSW govt freezes CSG exploration Reply #37 - Mar 29^th, 2014 at 7:32am If we stopped exploration that was deemed to have a risk, we'd completely stop offshore oil drilling pansi. Risk mitigation is everything.
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Reply #38 - Mar 29^th, 2014 at 7:33am

Bam wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 7:13am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 6:04am:

I know more about this process than you and I have no problem with it.

You are known to have a vested interest in the energy industry, so your view on this is tainted by personal profit.

I work in the energy industry. I don't profit from it.

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Reply #39 - Mar 29^th, 2014 at 7:59am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 7:33am:

Bam wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 7:13am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 6:04am:

I know more about this process than you and I have no problem with it.

You are known to have a vested interest in the energy industry, so your view on this is tainted by personal profit.

I work in the energy industry. I don't profit from it.

As an accountant, apparently. I would never get the accountant of a law firm to represent me in court.

The idea that the accountant suddenly becomes the scientist is absurd.

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andrei said: Great isn't it? Seeing boatloads of what is nothing more than human garbage turn up.....

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Reply #40 - Mar 29^th, 2014 at 8:03am

I'm not Accountant.
I am Finance.

Accounting do the SEC reporting ad financial statements for SOX etc.
Finance do the forward planning, we are the business partners, we roll the capex forecasts, we advise on profit based decisions.

Finance cannot do the job without intrinsically knowing the business.

Gas fracking is the future of energy supplementing for the next decades.
Trust me. The profits are good.

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Reply #41 - Mar 29^th, 2014 at 8:07am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 7:33am:

Bam wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 7:13am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 6:04am:

I know more about this process than you and I have no problem with it.

You are known to have a vested interest in the energy industry, so your view on this is tainted by personal profit.

I work in the energy industry. I don't profit from it.

The only way both remarks would be true is if you worked for free.

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Reply #42 - Mar 29^th, 2014 at 8:10am

Dame Pansi seems somehow so appropriate.
Hicks... offshore drilling is not the same as onshore drilling in a country which is the most arid populated one in the world and which depends on its aquifers for water now and into the future.
We've already had an accident which has made an important aquifer non viable. It took an accident to get them to stop this crap before too much damage gets done. It's probably too late for Qld they're an accident waiting to happen.
Motivation for the industry GREED.... they lie about the need for gas and new sources... they are flogging our gas off at low prices to China etc and depleting our reserves not using it for us and our future.
Due to the parlous state of the NSW books labor and this government have allowed themselves to be scammed in hopes of a financial windfall. They saw this as a way out of those difficulties, the goose that laid the golden egg. Problem is this goose is pooing in our water.

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____ Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	Re: NSW govt freezes CSG exploration Reply #43 - Mar 29^th, 2014 at 8:10am Check Mate Andrei. King Bam wins.
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Reply #44 - Mar 29^th, 2014 at 8:13am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 8:03am:

I'm not Accountant.
I am Finance.

Accounting do the SEC reporting ad financial statements for SOX etc.
Finance do the forward planning, we are the business partners, we roll the capex forecasts, we advise on profit based decisions.

Finance cannot do the job without intrinsically knowing the business.

Gas fracking is the future of energy supplementing for the next decades.
Trust me. The profits are good.

What about the damage to the underground aquifers?

They are poisoned with chemicals & radioactive elements get released as well.

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