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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40786 Gender:	Re: why do Muslims today have to be accountable?.... Reply #15 - Mar 28^th, 2014 at 8:18am freediver wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 9:02pm: Thanks Wally. Is that the one that counts graffiti attacks as terrorism? Islam compels Muslims to make up excuses for everything Muhammed did. You just have to ask the question. I continually find muslims justify everything moh did.
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Reply #16 - Mar 28^th, 2014 at 8:50am

Stratos wrote on Mar 28^th, 2014 at 7:06am:

Hi Clyne, welcome to the board. not sure if you have met Yadda properly. He is a Christian who is very passionately against Islam and Muslims, and is often willing to lie and deceive in order to try and make Islam look bad.

To save you some time, here is a quick run down of some of the things he regularly says and why they are incorrect:

Taqqiya: he will often say this means Muslims can lie to non Muslims about anything, when in fact the only premise for this based on the koran is that you can only lie in order to protect yourself from danger.....

Not true, Stratos.

Stratos,

Taqqiya - lying and deception - is used by moslems, more generally - so as to avoid accountability for their nefarious actions and choices.

But mostly, Taqqiya - lying and deception - is used by moslems to misrepresent the nature of ISLAM, to many who are unfamiliar with ISLAM, and who therefore know almost nothing about ISLAM's true nature.

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Here is an example of Taqqiya being used by....

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A body representing British 'mainstream' moslems, The Muslim Council of Britain, declares on its website, that ISLAM is a philosophy which condemns extremism and violence....

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Rejecting Terror
Thursday, 11 April 2013

Muslims everywhere consider all acts of terrorism that aims to murder and maim innocent human beings utterly reprehensible and abhorrent. There is no theological basis whatsoever for such acts in our faith. The very meaning of the word 'Islam' is peace. It rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony.

http://www.mcb.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2307:mcbnewst...
http://www.mcb.org.uk/article_detail.php?article=announcement-656

ISLAMIC law....

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

FROM THE SUNNA OF MOHAMMED

"...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

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n.b., Stratos.

ALL ABOUT THE MOSLEM DOCTRINE OF LYING, TO FURTHER THEIR POLITICAL AIMS....

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Bukhari (52:269) - "The Prophet said, 'War is deceit.'" The context of this is thought to be the murder of Usayr ibn Zarim and his thirty unarmed men by Muhammad's men after he "guaranteed" them safe passage (see Additional Notes below).

....Bukhari (84:64-65) - Speaking from a position of power at the time, Ali confirms that lying is permissible in order to deceive an "enemy."

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/011-taqiyya.htm

And moslems use lying and deception, so as to sow confusion with the 'camp' of the enemy - so as to generally strengthen moslems, and to generally weaken the resolve of their enemy.

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July 28, 2006
Islamic Dictionary for Infidels

...Robert Spencer, ..."Religious deception of unbelievers is indeed taught by the Qur'an itself: "Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them" (Qur'an 3:28). In other words, don't make friends with unbelievers except to "guard yourselves from them": pretend to be their friends so that you can strengthen yourself against them. The distinguished Qur'anic commentator Ibn Kathir explains that this verse teaches that if "believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers," they may "show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/012406.php

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #18 - Mar 28^th, 2014 at 9:06am

wally1 wrote on Mar 28^th, 2014 at 9:03am:

yadda.

stratos definition of taqiyya is right, yours is wrong.

Have a good day

wally1,

And the moon is made of green cheese.

Honest!!! Tongue

iALL ABOUT THE MOSLEM DOCTRINE OF LYING, TO FURTHER THEIR POLITICAL AIMS....

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....Bukhari (84:64-65) - Speaking from a position of power at the time, Ali confirms that lying is permissible in order to deceive an "enemy."

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/011-taqiyya.htm

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #19 - Mar 28^th, 2014 at 9:13am

Yadda wrote on Mar 28^th, 2014 at 12:41am:

Karnal wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 11:52pm:

We could have warned you, Clyne, but you needed to find out for yourself.

Karnal = = obfuscation.

Spreading intellectual confusion, disguised as 'a laugh'.

If Karnal could engage me in debate, in logical argument, and demolish my arguments [critical of ISLAM and moslems] he would.

Karnal is unable to engage me in debate, in logical argument, in this forum.

An honest person would concede, that ISLAM is a deceitful and violent political philosophy, hiding behind a false facade and a false claim, of ISLAM being a virtuous religion.

But everyone knows that in debate, when you hold an indefensible position/argument [if you are not prepared to concede], your only option is to dishonestly denigrate and castigate and ridicule, the other.

Karnal is unable to demolish my arguments [which expose the true nature of ISLAM, arguments which are based upon ISLAMIC sources].

So [unwilling to concede], he resorts to denigration.

ISLAMIC law....

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

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"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

FROM THE SUNNA OF MOHAMMED

"...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

I’m known as a Moslem-lover here, Clyne, a spineless apologist. Y’s too smart for the likes of us. He’s the board intellectual.

FD’s more the comedian - he’s here for a chuckle. Old boy’s a hothead Hun Freudian - he comes here to beat the id out of us. You know, the truth shall set you free, all that.

But if you want a superior, expert opinion on Islamic lies and deceit, Y’s your man. His posts never change, and he posts the same post each and every day.

Always, absolutely, never ever.

If I was the Muselman, I’d be worried.

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Reply #20 - Mar 28^th, 2014 at 9:15am

wally1 wrote on Mar 28^th, 2014 at 9:03am:

yadda.

stratos definition of taqiyya is right, yours is wrong.

Have a good day

Ah yes, but how do we know you’re not invoking taqiyya now?

You tell us that, Moslem.

As a Karmic Khristian, Y’s bound to the truth. If he tells a lie, he needs to do penance.

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Reply #21 - Mar 28^th, 2014 at 9:28am

Yadda wrote on Mar 28^th, 2014 at 9:06am:

wally1 wrote on Mar 28^th, 2014 at 9:03am:

yadda.

stratos definition of taqiyya is right, yours is wrong.

Have a good day

wally1,

And the moon is made of green cheese.

Honest!!! Tongue

iALL ABOUT THE MOSLEM DOCTRINE OF LYING, TO FURTHER THEIR POLITICAL AIMS....

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....Bukhari (84:64-65) - Speaking from a position of power at the time, Ali confirms that lying is permissible in order to deceive an "enemy."

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/011-taqiyya.htm

Yeah you would beleive that the moon is green.

Like you beleive there are three gods in one, but there is one God only.

Would you beleive someone if they said there mother and father are one person?

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Reply #22 - Mar 28^th, 2014 at 9:33am

Karnal wrote on Mar 28^th, 2014 at 9:13am:

I’m known as a Moslem-lover here, Clyne, a spineless apologist.

.....Y’s your man.

His posts never change, and he posts the same post each and every day.

Always, absolutely, never ever.

If I was the Muselman, I’d be worried.

Exactly so K!! Tongue

K,

How can my posts change ?

I am posting on the subject of ISLAM. Grin

And ISLAM will be the same, an unchangeable 'creature', ....from the day Mohammed took his last breath, until Allah's judgement day!

ISLAM is utterly unchangeable!

ARGUMENT;
K,

Why would moslems even entertain the idea of change [or religious reform] in ISLAM, when ISLAM is Allah's already perfect religion ?

K,

Q.
How can moslems in the world, be expected to seek to reform something which is already perfect ?

That idea, is utterly, utterly, ridiculous!! Wink

ISLAM.

Allah's already perfect religion !!

And then there is the Koran!!

Ah the Koran!

It is Allah's word, and it is inerrant, and it has never been touched by human hands! Tongue

It is Allah's inerrant Koran!! Tongue

The inerrant Koran???
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1295396564/0

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #23 - Mar 28^th, 2014 at 9:44am

wally1 wrote on Mar 28^th, 2014 at 9:28am:

wally1,

You are mistaken.

And you are misrepresenting my belief's.

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

Isaiah 43:3
For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee.

Isaiah 45:15
Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour.

Isaiah 45:21
Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

Hosea 13:4
Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.i

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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